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https://youtu.be/nflQFIFnpVo?t=205

So yea. I thought this was interesting to give portal away. I don’t know if it is a personal one or an actual portal anyone can use like ours is though

Its a good thing Ranger elite looks good, anybody know if someone has talked about its skills traits yet?

Yeah we’ve talked about this for a long time, if we want skills to be individually powerful they cannot be truly unique, there needs to be at least an “off class”. Now if the CD is brought down to something more sensible for PvE purposes, 20-25 seconds, that’d be kitten fine IMO.

Engineer has one, and anyone who raids has the consumable portal. Nothing to see, move along. Literally, nothing to see. Watching the video on how hard all the other elites hit, and than seeing the double digit numbers from mesmer…/sigh.

Portal’s balance was in its pretty limited use cases though. Super in jump quests and dungeon speed runs, but of very limited use anywhere else in PvE with few exceptions (and even some of those got patched like using portal to cheese gorsevals auto-kill mechanic that one time).

WvW and PvP wise, its a lot more powerful. But without knowing any details on Scourge’s portal, its hard to say if this is just handing portal away to hand it away or to balance how useful it can be.

Oh chillax, it’s not portal. From the looks of it, it might allow multiple characters to use it, but I doubt even that. It also isn’t likely to have nearly the range of Portal, it seems to be a combat feature to allow you to move around within a tactical space. It really doesn’t seem like it would be much more than their already-available Spectral Walk power.

i’m glad another class got portal. It’s better to spread that skill out. i thought engineer would get it honestly. But it’s less of a burden on mesmers now to do the all the portaling. especially for me who don’t even like to put it on my bar.

Well I don’t have any details on it yet. I don’t know if its as useful as our portal is. It might be only for the scourge that uses it.

It is absolutely reprehensible if true. Mesmer will have nothing left to call it’s own. I’ll be playing the beta…

Still I find myself not wanting to buy the expac to support another downgrade of Mesmer.

How is this in any way a downgrade for mesmer?

They also gave away clones.

Giving away portal would be to give the very last unique Mesmer skill away.

I have to admit, watching the video again, I did not see the Scourge use a portal. I saw them use AOE and a Revenant style bouncing/jump attack. I don’t see a portal.

Scourge is the new Ritualist. They conjusre spirits. Thaazt being the case, maybe they got the Kurzik Summon spirit skill and / or the skill that swaps you with a spirit, from Assassin.

Ithilwen.1529:

Giving away portal would be to give the very last unique Mesmer skill away.

I have to admit, watching the video again, I did not see the Scourge use a portal. I saw them use AOE and a Revenant style bouncing/jump attack. I don’t see a portal.

Look at the very second I linked to. It shows a prompt to use a portal. Except its not a mesmer portal prompt, its a different color and a different symbol, along with no mesmer portal on screen.

Yep you’re right. It seems Scourge got portal and the last bit of unique ability has been stripped from Mesmer.

I saw a tooltip for it somewhere but cannot find it now. I do recall it stating that it removed a condition from allies that used it … Indicating it can be used by allies. Dunno if it has the same kind of range, but I hope it does.

Distributing portal does a number of really great things for PvP (and keep in mind it would be locked behind Scourge). For starters, it allows Mesmers to run with an alternate utility other than portal and diversify accessible roles by doing so. Second, additional rotational capacity (Scourge + Mesmer) could help effectively counter Thief/Daredevil rotation effectiveness, something that cannot be matched at the moment. Based on the second note, countering +1 Thief allows for Thief to expand to other accessible roles as well.

A little more off topic, but increasing team fight effectiveness in this kind of way might encourage greater build interdependence, emphasizing specialized roles and deemphasizing “do-everything builds”.

The portal can be used by allies https://youtu.be/nqj-yOPEudA?t=4m16s

Good, if more classes get portal maybe Mesmer can be properly balanced without having to be balanced around the whole portal/moa thing. Maybe when Mesmer isn’t used because a better option with portal exists ANet might actually do something about the core class.

Looking at that video, perhaps it functions more like Blink. A targetted teleport that leaves a portal behind. So it would have less utility and range than mesmer portals. Guess we’ll find out soon enough.

I think the scourge portal will be a ground targetted placement. This will give it the same limits as a shadowstep but with the added benefit of reuse (possibly). This will mean that it can’t get people into any places that the mesmer portal can, and it certainly won’t have the same range.

I think it’s fantastic – maybe mesmer will be able to take something else other than portal in pvp if another class can use it instead.

If it is better than mesmer portal then its going to be stupid that it was given away. And if it has “extra” mechanics like cleansing conditions then it may be better than mesmer portal depending on how limited its range is

https://i.redd.it/uwg4kdtj7cdz.jpg

Based on that image, Scourge’s portal will last for 20 seconds as opposed to our 10 seconds, will give allies that use it a HUGE barrier of around 1,300, as well as convert boons on any enemies that are near it when its placed, as well as it actually dealing damage.

This is kitten. This isn’t sharing portal with another class, this is flat out giving portal 2.0 to another class and not giving mesmer anything in return for it. I mean hell, our own portal isn’t even updated to match this. Not to mention a 28 kittening second CD on this, instead of the 72 seconds on portal for mesmers.

It would be fine if other classes were given portal. Its kitten that they are given something that is way better than portal is. Especially for a PvP environment this is kitten.

I presume the range will be much lower, such as 1200 or something where you can’t really cover 2 nodes to prevent/initiate decap etc like mesmer meta. Its more for necro mobility which people has been asking for.

The thing is, 20s duration on a 28s CD is what Portal always needed for PvE purposes, basically. To become a main-hotbar skill outside of specific JP use.

Sad to see that while ANet seems to have understood that, they went for an elite spec with it. Even though I’m still happy (by and large) that it was done at all.

OriOri.8724:

https://i.redd.it/uwg4kdtj7cdz.jpg

Based on that image, Scourge’s portal will last for 20 seconds as opposed to our 10 seconds, will give allies that use it a HUGE barrier of around 1,300, as well as convert boons on any enemies that are near it when its placed, as well as it actually dealing damage.

This is kitten. This isn’t sharing portal with another class, this is flat out giving portal 2.0 to another class and not giving mesmer anything in return for it. I mean hell, our own portal isn’t even updated to match this. Not to mention a 28 kittening second CD on this, instead of the 72 seconds on portal for mesmers.

It would be fine if other classes were given portal. Its kitten that they are given something that is way better than portal is. Especially for a PvP environment this is kitten.

What the skill actually does is it’s a ground targeted teleport with a short range that creates a portal between the two points that you and your allies can move through to gain barrier and reposition. It’s also 28s with the trait..it’s 35s without.

You can’t cast and wait a minute before dropping it somewhere useful. You can’t move huge distances with it. Presumably you can’t skip certain terrain with it since it’s a teleport/shadow step. It also has a 0.75s cast time so can be interrupted.

It won’t be anywhere near as versitile or strong as portal. Simmer down.

Sigmoid.7082:

OriOri.8724:

https://i.redd.it/uwg4kdtj7cdz.jpg

Based on that image, Scourge’s portal will last for 20 seconds as opposed to our 10 seconds, will give allies that use it a HUGE barrier of around 1,300, as well as convert boons on any enemies that are near it when its placed, as well as it actually dealing damage.

This is kitten. This isn’t sharing portal with another class, this is flat out giving portal 2.0 to another class and not giving mesmer anything in return for it. I mean hell, our own portal isn’t even updated to match this. Not to mention a 28 kittening second CD on this, instead of the 72 seconds on portal for mesmers.

It would be fine if other classes were given portal. Its kitten that they are given something that is way better than portal is. Especially for a PvP environment this is kitten.

What the skill actually does is it’s a ground targeted teleport with a short range that creates a portal between the two points that you and your allies can move through to gain barrier and reposition. It’s also 28s with the trait..it’s 35s without.

You can’t cast and wait a minute before dropping it somewhere useful. You can’t move huge distances with it. Presumably you can’t skip certain terrain with it since it’s a teleport/shadow step. It also has a 0.75s cast time so can be interrupted.

It won’t be anywhere near as versitile or strong as portal. Simmer down.

I hope it’s not limited to shadowstep/teleport rules as that’s one of the main and only advantages of portals. Still it does feel very much overburdened with goodies for what it is, boon corruption, barrier for allies, escape for allies or a jump in to attack/burst down then leave.

I will definitely wait to see how it plays out but it could stand to lose the boon corruption and/or damage and stay a very useful utility skill bringing an alternative to portal and map control.

Still I’m really excited to see a portal like mechanic on another class, necro no less which has needed some support for a while now.

apharma.3741:

Sigmoid.7082:

OriOri.8724:

https://i.redd.it/uwg4kdtj7cdz.jpg

Based on that image, Scourge’s portal will last for 20 seconds as opposed to our 10 seconds, will give allies that use it a HUGE barrier of around 1,300, as well as convert boons on any enemies that are near it when its placed, as well as it actually dealing damage.

This is kitten. This isn’t sharing portal with another class, this is flat out giving portal 2.0 to another class and not giving mesmer anything in return for it. I mean hell, our own portal isn’t even updated to match this. Not to mention a 28 kittening second CD on this, instead of the 72 seconds on portal for mesmers.

It would be fine if other classes were given portal. Its kitten that they are given something that is way better than portal is. Especially for a PvP environment this is kitten.

What the skill actually does is it’s a ground targeted teleport with a short range that creates a portal between the two points that you and your allies can move through to gain barrier and reposition. It’s also 28s with the trait..it’s 35s without.

You can’t cast and wait a minute before dropping it somewhere useful. You can’t move huge distances with it. Presumably you can’t skip certain terrain with it since it’s a teleport/shadow step. It also has a 0.75s cast time so can be interrupted.

It won’t be anywhere near as versitile or strong as portal. Simmer down.

I hope it’s not limited to shadowstep/teleport rules as that’s one of the main and only advantages of portals. Still it does feel very much overburdened with goodies for what it is, boon corruption, barrier for allies, escape for allies or a jump in to attack/burst down then leave.

I will definitely wait to see how it plays out but it could stand to lose the boon corruption and/or damage and stay a very useful utility skill bringing an alternative to portal and map control.

Still I’m really excited to see a portal like mechanic on another class, necro no less which has needed some support for a while now.

Watching peachys video the range is small and it vanishes if you move to far away from the portals location. It won’t really be a huge alternative.

It can also be seen that’s it’s ground targeted. Pretty much every ground targeted teleport in the game requires a valid path so I don’t see why it won’t have the same limitation.

It’s closer to lightning flash/infaltraitors strike / judges intervention type skills than anything else.

Sigmoid.7082:

apharma.3741:

Sigmoid.7082:

OriOri.8724:

https://i.redd.it/uwg4kdtj7cdz.jpg

Based on that image, Scourge’s portal will last for 20 seconds as opposed to our 10 seconds, will give allies that use it a HUGE barrier of around 1,300, as well as convert boons on any enemies that are near it when its placed, as well as it actually dealing damage.

This is kitten. This isn’t sharing portal with another class, this is flat out giving portal 2.0 to another class and not giving mesmer anything in return for it. I mean hell, our own portal isn’t even updated to match this. Not to mention a 28 kittening second CD on this, instead of the 72 seconds on portal for mesmers.

It would be fine if other classes were given portal. Its kitten that they are given something that is way better than portal is. Especially for a PvP environment this is kitten.

What the skill actually does is it’s a ground targeted teleport with a short range that creates a portal between the two points that you and your allies can move through to gain barrier and reposition. It’s also 28s with the trait..it’s 35s without.

You can’t cast and wait a minute before dropping it somewhere useful. You can’t move huge distances with it. Presumably you can’t skip certain terrain with it since it’s a teleport/shadow step. It also has a 0.75s cast time so can be interrupted.

It won’t be anywhere near as versitile or strong as portal. Simmer down.

I hope it’s not limited to shadowstep/teleport rules as that’s one of the main and only advantages of portals. Still it does feel very much overburdened with goodies for what it is, boon corruption, barrier for allies, escape for allies or a jump in to attack/burst down then leave.

I will definitely wait to see how it plays out but it could stand to lose the boon corruption and/or damage and stay a very useful utility skill bringing an alternative to portal and map control.

Still I’m really excited to see a portal like mechanic on another class, necro no less which has needed some support for a while now.

Watching peachys video the range is small and it vanishes if you move to far away from the portals location. It won’t really be a huge alternative.

It can also be seen that’s it’s ground targeted. Pretty much every ground targeted teleport in the game requires a valid path so I don’t see why it won’t have the same limitation.

It’s closer to lightning flash/infaltraitors strike / judges intervention type skills than anything else.

Yes that’s what has me worried as that will severely limit its usefulness especially as a mini portal. We will have to wait and see how it is when we get to play the beta.

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I think it actually doesnt work like a mesmer portal. The tooltip states a duration of 20sec and a cd of 28sec. It also does aoe conditions and applies buffs to allies who uses it buffs.

So It probably only buffs the people which press F nearby and won’t really port them away. Or just a really really short distance.

Else if skill power to cd is compared to a mesmer portal or blink it wont stand in relation, so just wait for the beta and check it out ;P

It won’t have the same distance and it is ground targetted. If it has say 1200 range and you cast it, the scourge will teleport the distance harming enemies in the radius. I think allies will be able to follow via a portal left behind which will give them barrier. There is a return portal as well.

All in all, these portals are limited to what you can see. You will not be able to use it for example, to get a group of allies past walls and into stonemist or a wvw tower. You will not be able to use it to help people through jumping puzzles or even for the long distance ports in spvp (because the scourge would require the range and clear line of sight of the entrance and exit portals).

@Sigmoid – Like apharma said, its way overtuned. This was a problem with HoT where skills were doing too many things at once, and now its just worse in PoF so far. It shouldn’t be boon corrupting or damaging enemies. It should only be porting allies, and the barrier it gives them should be much lower as well.

That would actually allow them to increase the range of it as well. This is just kitten design.

OriOri.8724:

@Sigmoid – Like apharma said, its way overtuned. This was a problem with HoT where skills were doing too many things at once, and now its just worse in PoF so far. It shouldn’t be boon corrupting or damaging enemies. It should only be porting allies, and the barrier it gives them should be much lower as well.

That would actually allow them to increase the range of it as well. This is just kitten design.

Maybe they actually want the range of it to be short and havig a range that’s roughly 10x shorter is what allows them to design it to have other features that fit the design of the spec. It’s not supposed to be a carbon copy of the ability but on another class. Looking at the skill in a vacuum is also not a good idea.

You can literally go through all the pros and cons of the two and they aren’t that bad.

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OriOri.8724:

@Sigmoid – Like apharma said, its way overtuned. This was a problem with HoT where skills were doing too many things at once, and now its just worse in PoF so far. It shouldn’t be boon corrupting or damaging enemies. It should only be porting allies, and the barrier it gives them should be much lower as well.

That would actually allow them to increase the range of it as well. This is just kitten design.

Maybe they actually want the range of it to be short and havig a range that’s roughly 10x shorter is what allows them to design it to have other features that fit the design of the spec. It’s not supposed to be a carbon copy of the ability but on another class. Looking at the skill in a vacuum is also not a good idea.

The range is not 10x less it’s 4-5x less as portal is 5000 range (6000 in PvP because /shrug) so I don’t think you can justify how much it does, barrier, damage, corruption and shorter cool down from what we’ve seen. However I do agree we need to actually play it so we know how it works before screaming fowl.

It does an aweful lot for a single skill depending on how it was traited. If the corrupt and cool down reduction are from a trait then that would be fine, it needs investment but if this is mostly baseline it does 3 things all at the same time which is why everyone hated HoT.

Anyway this is definitely one of the skills I’ll be playing with to see the limitations of it and just how it works, same with deadeye and just how stupid this will be with SA sniping.

apharma.3741:

Sigmoid.7082:

OriOri.8724:

@Sigmoid – Like apharma said, its way overtuned. This was a problem with HoT where skills were doing too many things at once, and now its just worse in PoF so far. It shouldn’t be boon corrupting or damaging enemies. It should only be porting allies, and the barrier it gives them should be much lower as well.

That would actually allow them to increase the range of it as well. This is just kitten design.

Maybe they actually want the range of it to be short and havig a range that’s roughly 10x shorter is what allows them to design it to have other features that fit the design of the spec. It’s not supposed to be a carbon copy of the ability but on another class. Looking at the skill in a vacuum is also not a good idea.

The range is not 10x less it’s 4-5x less as portal is 5000 range (6000 in PvP because /shrug) so I don’t think you can justify how much it does, barrier, damage, corruption and shorter cool down from what we’ve seen. However I do agree we need to actually play it so we know how it works before screaming fowl.

It does an aweful lot for a single skill depending on how it was traited. If the corrupt and cool down reduction are from a trait then that would be fine, it needs investment but if this is mostly baseline it does 3 things all at the same time which is why everyone hated HoT.

Anyway this is definitely one of the skills I’ll be playing with to see the limitations of it and just how it works, same with deadeye and just how stupid this will be with SA sniping.

Peachy runs no more than 600 units away and the skill vanishes way before 20s are up. Wonder what causes that interaction but if the skill has a range and larger than 600 it will be over powered. It does have a 0.75 cast time and a very obvious animation. It has a damage coefficient of about 1 considering she has 2050 power from her amulet. It’s ground targeted and should obey shadow step rules that portal doesn’t. Barrier…well I want to know how this mechanic truly plays out since as of now we know that it’s capped at 50% of max go and scales off of healing power based on an individual ratio per skill. It starts to decay after 2s and will full decay in 6 second after regardless of how much you have.

I will be playing it a bunch but I can see it being taken by pretty much everyone since it would be one of the only decent mobility skills on a class that has incredibly low mobility.

I will laugh if the skill turns out to be awekittenhough. I really will.

Sigmoid.7082:

apharma.3741:

Sigmoid.7082:

OriOri.8724:

https://i.redd.it/uwg4kdtj7cdz.jpg

Based on that image, Scourge’s portal will last for 20 seconds as opposed to our 10 seconds, will give allies that use it a HUGE barrier of around 1,300, as well as convert boons on any enemies that are near it when its placed, as well as it actually dealing damage.

This is kitten. This isn’t sharing portal with another class, this is flat out giving portal 2.0 to another class and not giving mesmer anything in return for it. I mean hell, our own portal isn’t even updated to match this. Not to mention a 28 kittening second CD on this, instead of the 72 seconds on portal for mesmers.

It would be fine if other classes were given portal. Its kitten that they are given something that is way better than portal is. Especially for a PvP environment this is kitten.

What the skill actually does is it’s a ground targeted teleport with a short range that creates a portal between the two points that you and your allies can move through to gain barrier and reposition. It’s also 28s with the trait..it’s 35s without.

You can’t cast and wait a minute before dropping it somewhere useful. You can’t move huge distances with it. Presumably you can’t skip certain terrain with it since it’s a teleport/shadow step. It also has a 0.75s cast time so can be interrupted.

It won’t be anywhere near as versitile or strong as portal. Simmer down.

I hope it’s not limited to shadowstep/teleport rules as that’s one of the main and only advantages of portals. Still it does feel very much overburdened with goodies for what it is, boon corruption, barrier for allies, escape for allies or a jump in to attack/burst down then leave.

I will definitely wait to see how it plays out but it could stand to lose the boon corruption and/or damage and stay a very useful utility skill bringing an alternative to portal and map control.

Still I’m really excited to see a portal like mechanic on another class, necro no less which has needed some support for a while now.

Watching peachys video the range is small and it vanishes if you move to far away from the portals location. It won’t really be a huge alternative.

It can also be seen that’s it’s ground targeted. Pretty much every ground targeted teleport in the game requires a valid path so I don’t see why it won’t have the same limitation.

It’s closer to lightning flash/infaltraitors strike / judges intervention type skills than anything else.

Peachy’s video didn’t seem to demonstrate it very well. She cut off the ranged skill fact while recording and she casted the teleport at her feet rather than in the distance. No helpful info on her video at all regarding the teleport skill.

Famine.7915:

Sigmoid.7082:

apharma.3741:

Sigmoid.7082:

OriOri.8724:

https://i.redd.it/uwg4kdtj7cdz.jpg

Based on that image, Scourge’s portal will last for 20 seconds as opposed to our 10 seconds, will give allies that use it a HUGE barrier of around 1,300, as well as convert boons on any enemies that are near it when its placed, as well as it actually dealing damage.

This is kitten. This isn’t sharing portal with another class, this is flat out giving portal 2.0 to another class and not giving mesmer anything in return for it. I mean hell, our own portal isn’t even updated to match this. Not to mention a 28 kittening second CD on this, instead of the 72 seconds on portal for mesmers.

It would be fine if other classes were given portal. Its kitten that they are given something that is way better than portal is. Especially for a PvP environment this is kitten.

What the skill actually does is it’s a ground targeted teleport with a short range that creates a portal between the two points that you and your allies can move through to gain barrier and reposition. It’s also 28s with the trait..it’s 35s without.

You can’t cast and wait a minute before dropping it somewhere useful. You can’t move huge distances with it. Presumably you can’t skip certain terrain with it since it’s a teleport/shadow step. It also has a 0.75s cast time so can be interrupted.

It won’t be anywhere near as versitile or strong as portal. Simmer down.

I hope it’s not limited to shadowstep/teleport rules as that’s one of the main and only advantages of portals. Still it does feel very much overburdened with goodies for what it is, boon corruption, barrier for allies, escape for allies or a jump in to attack/burst down then leave.

I will definitely wait to see how it plays out but it could stand to lose the boon corruption and/or damage and stay a very useful utility skill bringing an alternative to portal and map control.

Still I’m really excited to see a portal like mechanic on another class, necro no less which has needed some support for a while now.

Watching peachys video the range is small and it vanishes if you move to far away from the portals location. It won’t really be a huge alternative.

It can also be seen that’s it’s ground targeted. Pretty much every ground targeted teleport in the game requires a valid path so I don’t see why it won’t have the same limitation.

It’s closer to lightning flash/infaltraitors strike / judges intervention type skills than anything else.

Peachy’s video didn’t seem to demonstrate it very well. She cut off the ranged skill fact while recording and she casted the teleport at her feet rather than in the distance. No helpful info on her video at all regarding the teleport skill.

You can clearly take that she moved too far away and it vanished. May be a bug with the skill though.She does have an annoying recording style of cutting off loads of the screen….

Going to hold further judgement on it till the 18th.

I wish she was at least looking at it. It could be that if you move out of the radius of either end of the portal it will disappear and if you stay in it then it may stay for longer. Or maybe there is the option to cancel the portal and thus start the cooldown (assuming it doesn’t start until portal is gone and you DO have access to a cancel skill. Too little info on her part.

It isn’t a true portal. It has a ground targeted casting range of 900. Meaning you cannot use it to go between inner and outer in wvw, jumping puzzles, etc. It is just a two way shadowstep.