Guild Wars 2

So I was in a tourney today and saw that the enemy team had 3 mesmers. I thought to my self that isnt that bad. Then i realized that the three mesmers were in a guild and timing their shatters together. Here is one of the resutls of this and why anet shouldn’t forget to nerf shatter mesmer.

lol you want them to nerf shatter because you hit yourself 101 times with confusion?

Wait soo because they timed everything right and were able coordinate their attacks… This skill deserves a nerf? You are asking for a skill to be nerfed… Based off teamwork? Let that sink in for a second… No skill should be nerfed because a team can coordinate what they do be it BS thieves focusing a single target together guardians nuking a point together or eles timing their churning earth so that no one in the point has a way out… Just no… That is by far the silliest idea ever… Do not nerf something because a team is coordinated.

zaxon.6819:

lol you want them to nerf shatter because you hit yourself 101 times with confusion?

lmao +1

Cry more u litle noob cry more..

The point im trying to get across is not that im qq’ing. I’m trying to bring a point to the dev’s what needs to be fixed.

It must be counting Confusion damage by the stack, no way he used 101 skills before either team hit 100 points, unless the screen shot is set-up. However, I’m pretty sure I know what happened because I’ve used the same trick before myself.

Here’s what happened: You killed yourself and Shatter wasn’t even involved.

1) Mind Wrack and Cry of Frustration aren’t on your damage recap. If three Mesmers had used Shatter to stack Confusion on you, those two sure as hell would have ranked higher than Winds of Chaos from condition based Mesmers.

2) What happened, is that these are Glamour Mesmers. They have traits which cause their Glamours to inflict Blind and another which causes Blind to inflict Confusion. Furthermore, they have a trait which causes enemies entering or exiting a Glamour to gain Confusion.

3) These Mesmers layered the capture point with Glamours, summoned Illusions, and then lead you by the nose in and out of their glamours borders. They didn’t even Shatter on you because they likely also have the trait which reduces damage taken based on how many illusions were alive. They needed their Illusions to hide among and provide them damage reduction while you killed yourself to their Glamour cycling – It’s like a Vin Diagram on Steroids properly done, if you follow them around (bet you were melee) you can’t help but keep crossing the borders.

4) They also probably kept Chaos Armor up as much as possible using Leap combos within the glamours or the Staff skill. When you hit someone with Chaos Armor on it either Cripples, confuses, or blinds you… so two of those options would result in further confusion.

5) Based on that screenshot you were alive for at least 14 seconds (the duration of Burning), so this wasn’t some sort of super 25 stack Confusion that insta-killed you. Pay better attention to what is happening around you, don’t spend 14 seconds tunnel visioned and not noticing the specially colored damage above your head that tells you to stop attacking.

6) Learn other professions abilities before you go to their forum and call on the devs to nerf the backbone of their profession. Even if 3 Shatter Mesmers had focused you you’d probably of been dead, and dead much faster too. However, if three of any profession focus you death should be the likely outcome.

P.S. You’re technically winning in that screen shot.

Dastion.3106:

It must be counting Confusion damage by the stack, no way he used 101 skills before either team hit 100 points, unless the screen shot is set-up. However, I’m pretty sure I know what happened because I’ve used the same trick before myself.

Here’s what happened: You killed yourself and Shatter wasn’t even involved.

1) Mind Wrack and Cry of Frustration aren’t on your damage recap. If three Mesmers had used Shatter to stack Confusion on you, those two sure as hell would have ranked higher than Winds of Chaos from condition based Mesmers.

2) What happened, is that these are Glamour Mesmers. They have traits which cause their Glamours to inflict Blind and another which causes Blind to inflict Confusion. Furthermore, they have a trait which causes enemies entering or exiting a Glamour to gain Confusion.

3) These Mesmers layered the capture point with Glamours, summoned Illusions, and then lead you by the nose in and out of their glamours borders. They didn’t even Shatter on you because they likely also have the trait which reduces damage taken based on how many illusions were alive. They needed their Illusions to hide among and provide them damage reduction while you killed yourself to their Glamour cycling – It’s like a Vin Diagram on Steroids properly done, if you follow them around (bet you were melee) you can’t help but keep crossing the borders.

4) They also probably kept Chaos Armor up as much as possible using Leap combos within the glamours or the Staff skill. When you hit someone with Chaos Armor on it either Cripples, confuses, or blinds you… so two of those options would result in further confusion.

5) Based on that screenshot you were alive for at least 14 seconds (the duration of Burning), so this wasn’t some sort of super 25 stack Confusion that insta-killed you. Pay better attention to what is happening around you, don’t spend 14 seconds tunnel visioned and not noticing the specially colored damage above your head that tells you to stop attacking.

6) Learn other professions abilities before you go to their forum and call on the devs to nerf the backbone of their profession. Even if 3 Shatter Mesmers had focused you you’d probably of been dead, and dead much faster too. However, if three of any profession focus you death should be the likely outcome.

P.S. You’re technically winning in that screen shot.

I don’t want to brag but… I’ve played every profession in pve to level 80 and I’ve played every profession in tpvp. I understand 99% of the builds including this one. Trust me I know what I’m doing. Again as I said before I’m just trying to make a point.

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

I don’t want to brag but… I’ve played every profession in pve to level 80 and I’ve played every profession in tpvp. I understand 99% of the builds including this one. Trust me I know what I’m doing. Again as I said before I’m just trying to make a point.

What point was that? Your point was:

the three mesmers were in a guild and timing their shatters together. Here is one of the resutls of this and why anet shouldn’t forget to nerf shatter mesmer.

First off, you were focused by 3 people. Basing nerf claims on the potential for cooperation is silly. No single Mesmer could have done near so well. There are lots of potent team compositions out there. The TEAM is powerful.

Second, they didn’t Shatter you. Your damage recap proves it. Yet you come here claiming ANet should nerf our core mechanic based on a coordinated team’s effort when you obviously don’t even understand what they did to you. Then you brag about your expertise? Most people of your ‘expertise’ wouldn’t deal 30,000 damage to themselves via confusion. Confusion maxes at 25 stacks, so even assuming they managed to keep 25 stacks on you non-stop (unlikely) you had to use a minimum of 5 skills (25×4 + 1) to kill yourself and lived a minimum of 14 seconds – plenty if time to notice the Confusion and not kill yourself.

I try not to fall into the “QQ more newb, L2P” crowd. In fact, I came to this thread ready to point to you that while Shatter builds are potent, it’s the build that makes it potent – the base mechanic is rather lackluster. Too many people don’t fully understand just how much Illusionary Persona does for Shattering, it’s a band-aid that makes shattering worthwhile. However, you’re completely off-base with your allegations.

Dastion.3106:

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

I don’t want to brag but… I’ve played every profession in pve to level 80 and I’ve played every profession in tpvp. I understand 99% of the builds including this one. Trust me I know what I’m doing. Again as I said before I’m just trying to make a point.

What point was that? Your point was:

the three mesmers were in a guild and timing their shatters together. Here is one of the resutls of this and why anet shouldn’t forget to nerf shatter mesmer.

First off, you were focused by 3 people. Basing nerf claims on the potential for cooperation is silly. No single Mesmer could have done near so well. There are lots of potent team compositions out there. The TEAM is powerful.

Second, they didn’t Shatter you. Your damage recap proves it. Yet you come here claiming ANet should nerf our core mechanic based on a coordinated team’s effort when you obviously don’t even understand what they did to you. Then you brag about your expertise? Most people of your ‘expertise’ wouldn’t deal 30,000 damage to themselves via confusion. Confusion maxes at 25 stacks, so even assuming they managed to keep 25 stacks on you non-stop (unlikely) you had to use a minimum of 5 skills (25×4 + 1) to kill yourself and lived a minimum of 14 seconds – plenty if time to notice the Confusion and not kill yourself.

I try not to fall into the “QQ more newb, L2P” crowd. In fact, I came to this thread ready to point to you that while Shatter builds are potent, it’s the build that makes it potent – the base mechanic is rather lackluster. Too many people don’t fully understand just how much Illusionary Persona does for Shattering, it’s a band-aid that makes shattering worthwhile. However, you’re completely off-base with your allegations.

Yes I lived for 14 seconds but, the death counter is flawed if you actually read it. The death counter starts counting as soon as you enter combat. Then it tallies up the highest damage and posts the top highest damage done to you. Thus you can assume that I took 30k confusion in that 14 seconds. Nevertheless I didn’t, I took all that damage in 1 burst. The three Mesmers focused me yes, all three shattered on me. When I dodge rolled and used an auto attack or two I died. Most people don’t know this but if you have a trait where something happens to you when you dodge you get hit by confusion a few times. Weather it be you gain protection on dodge roll or you put down caltrops extc. With that being said the death counter is only accurate for showing the amount of damage done over a set period of time. And with the death counter only posting what does the highest amount of damage and not what all damage was done, you will not see the shatter because the initial damage from the shatter skill itself was to low. That point counter acts this post about shatter nerf yes, but it also proves that shatters are very strong in applying confusion.

With IP and a full three Illusions the Mesmers could have stacked 24 Stacks of Confusion on you, which would kill you quickly. But, in order to reach the total ‘hits’ you’d of still needed to of used 5 skills. 2 dodges. 2 attacks, and a heal maybe.

However, you still werent shattered. If so, it would be on the recap. The base damage of WoC is 111, you were hit by it 7x and it appears. The base damage of CoF is 80, you were hit by it approximately 10-12 times to get such high stacks of Confusion from Shatters. Why does WoC show up but not CoF? Because CoF wasn’t used.

Confusion is supposed to be high damage if the enemy ignores it. That’s the point of it, it’s a soft-CC where you are given a decision. In GW1 The equivalent skills were very powerful versus new players, but ineffective versus experienced players.

I’d love to know what class the op is. This looks like it could have been far less than 25 stacks, but with a quickness ranger shortbow spam that was too stupid to use a condition removal.

Something funny is in a shatter build Mesmer condi removal succcckkkkksssss… And our best condi application is from confusion (WoC doesn’t hold a candle). Yet here we are with possible the worse condi removal in this entire game and we hardly ever complain about taking condition damage because we know its a risk of the build… Maybe the OP should consider the same.

Pyroatheist.9031:

I’d love to know what class the op is. This looks like it could have been far less than 25 stacks, but with a quickness ranger shortbow spam that was too stupid to use a condition removal.

I agree that it was likely less than max stacks. I was simply trying to show the bare minimum number of actions he could have made and had time to react to the fact that he was confused, that number being 5. But the total hits don’t work out for it being purely CoF based, since odds are they were applied in twos. Likely some of the Confusion came from Chaos Armor to get the odd # and even more likely, most of it was from traited Glamours.

I dont understand why people are making assumptions where the confusion came from. I have already stated it didnt come from chaos amor nor winds of chaos. It came from the shatter…

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

I dont understand why people are making assumptions where the confusion came from. I have already stated it didnt come from chaos amor nor winds of chaos. It came from the shatter…

You’re cute, you know that?

You keep telling us it came from the shatter, and you obligingly posted a picture of the damage recap, to prove your point. Unfortunately for your point, the damage recap has no shatters in it.

Sorta leaves us in an awkward place doesn’t it…

I feel like this guy has to be a troll… I wouldn’t feed it anymore.

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

I dont understand why people are making assumptions where the confusion came from. I have already stated it didnt come from chaos amor nor winds of chaos. It came from the shatter…

The shatter that doesn’t show up on the recap, mhm. Do you even know what a glamour field is and how it works?

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

The point im trying to get across is not that im qq’ing. I’m trying to bring a point to the dev’s what needs to be fixed.

I would argue that the shatters (which have been nerfed a few times already) are not the problem at all.

would it not be possible to be hit by shatters from a condition shatter build? I mean the direct damage would be nothing but 25 stacks of confusion would be easy with 3 mesmers coordinatiing their shatters.
dunno, but imo op got hit by condition shatter set up and was quite confused.

grimmson.9154:

would it not be possible to be hit by shatters from a condition shatter build? I mean the direct damage would be nothing but 25 stacks of confusion would be easy with 3 mesmers coordinatiing their shatters.
dunno, but imo op got hit by condition shatter set up and was quite confused.

No. Cry of frustration still deals damage. As you can see in his damage recap, he got hit by absolutely 0 shatters.

it is fishy, that’s for sure :>

Okay, so, I did some testing with some friends regarding this thread. We tested the issue of seeing shatters in the death breakdown, because people were wondering how the Confusion was applied . If you look at the screenshot that’s here, it shows Confusing Images hitting me TWICE, so I would only have two stacks of Confusion from it. I received 11,120 damage from 13 hits from Confusion. This would be, that if my ONLY source of Confusion is from two hits of Confusing Images, each of the two stacks of Confusion hit me for ~427 damage. You guys aren’t stupid, obviously Confusion stacks cannot hit that hard in PvP, so I had to have more than two stacks at some point. It was the Shatter. The reason it is not showing in the Death Breakdown, is because the Death Breakdown only shows the 5 skills that do the most damage to you. Cry of Frustration didn’t hit me for a lot of damage (like 500-600ish), it only applied significant Confusion, which was what inflicted a lot of damage, because it’s damage is lower than any of the 5 skills in my Breakdown is why it did not appear.

I don’t understand why you guys find it so hard to comprehend that Cry of Frustration did apply the Confusion. While I agree with you all that team play is not a reason to call for a nerf, but I read his post from a different perspective than you all I guess. He isn’t doing that, never once did he ever say he was. I don’t know, there’s my $.02, I hope it helps the thread calm down a little

shimmerless.4560:

Warcry.1596:

Okay, so, I did some testing with some friends regarding this thread. We tested the issue of seeing shatters in the death breakdown, because people were wondering how the Confusion was applied . If you look at the screenshot that’s here, it shows Confusing Images hitting me TWICE, so I would only have two stacks of Confusion from it. I received 11,120 damage from 13 hits from Confusion. This would be, that if my ONLY source of Confusion is from two hits of Confusing Images, each of the two stacks of Confusion hit me for ~427 damage. You guys aren’t stupid, obviously Confusion stacks cannot hit that hard in PvP, so I had to have more than two stacks at some point. It was the Shatter. The reason it is not showing in the Death Breakdown, is because the Death Breakdown only shows the 5 skills that do the most damage to you. Cry of Frustration didn’t hit me for a lot of damage (like 500-600ish), it only applied significant Confusion, which was what inflicted a lot of damage, because it’s damage is lower than any of the 5 skills in my Breakdown is why it did not appear.

I don’t understand why you guys find it so hard to comprehend that Cry of Frustration did apply the Confusion. While I agree with you all that team play is not a reason to call for a nerf, but I read his post from a different perspective than you all I guess. He isn’t doing that, never once did he ever say he was. I don’t know, there’s my $.02, I hope it helps the thread calm down a little

There’s a few reasons the logic still doesn’t hold:

i) It’s not possible to deal 30k+ confusion damage solely with CoF and not have it show up in the combat tracker above WoC (lol). That “500-600ish” damage is predicated on there only being one shatter source, while the OP was allegedly fighting three Mesmers.

ii) Confusing Images applies five stacks of confusion by the end of the channel, not one. If you were hit by the full channel twice that’d be ten confusion stacks over the course of your being alive.

I would argue that it’s not impossible the OP died to timed CoF shatters, however the lack of telltale damage in the tracker (there isn’t even evidence they were using MW) doesn’t make it terribly likely. Without a full shatter build, CoF just doesn’t apply a lot of confusion to begin with.

The damage from the Confusion applied by Cry of Frustration does not count towards damage by Cry of Frustration. If three mesmers used Cry of Frustration at the same time, it would hit for, pending each one hits for 500-600 damage like in my test, around 1500-1800 damage, ergo, not enough damage to show up in the Breakdown as the minimum is 2,169.

Just loaded up my Glamour build, it’s fairly typical. CoF deals 250 – 2kittenage per Illusion on a medium target (WoC deals less per hit than CoF). Even assuming no IP in their Build (which would be stupid if they are intending to focus Confusion burst on an area) that would be 9×250=2,250, which is more than enough to appear in the damage logs assuming no IP.

Is it possible? Sure, maybe an Aegis ate some of it. But one of two situations occured.

1) You had only a moderate amount of Confusion from shattering, but not enough for CoF/Confusing Images to appear and repeatedly attacked, killing yourself. This is fine, it’s how Confusion works.

2) You received a HUGE stack of Confusion which killed you in a minimum of 5 hits. This would have necessitated enough CoF Shatters to appear on your log though.

Instead you claim you recieved a huge stack from CoF without enough damage to appear on the log, which just isn’t likely.

You know I really wish there wouldn’t be so many nerf sissies in the game, it makes the game less enjoyable.

Dastion.3106:

Just loaded up my Glamour build, it’s fairly typical. CoF deals 250 – 2kittenage per Illusion on a medium target (WoC deals less per hit than CoF). Even assuming no IP in their Build (which would be stupid if they are intending to focus Confusion burst on an area) that would be 9×250=2,250, which is more than enough to appear in the damage logs assuming no IP.

Is it possible? Sure, maybe an Aegis ate some of it. But one of two situations occured.

1) You had only a moderate amount of Confusion from shattering, but not enough for CoF/Confusing Images to appear and repeatedly attacked, killing yourself. This is fine, it’s how Confusion works.

2) You received a HUGE stack of Confusion which killed you in a minimum of 5 hits. This would have necessitated enough CoF Shatters to appear on your log though.

Instead you claim you recieved a huge stack from CoF without enough damage to appear on the log, which just isn’t likely.

So, to translate your post, you’re saying the Confusion came from nothing then?

Warcry.1596:

Dastion.3106:

Just loaded up my Glamour build, it’s fairly typical. CoF deals 250 – 2kittenage per Illusion on a medium target (WoC deals less per hit than CoF). Even assuming no IP in their Build (which would be stupid if they are intending to focus Confusion burst on an area) that would be 9×250=2,250, which is more than enough to appear in the damage logs assuming no IP.

Is it possible? Sure, maybe an Aegis ate some of it. But one of two situations occured.

1) You had only a moderate amount of Confusion from shattering, but not enough for CoF/Confusing Images to appear and repeatedly attacked, killing yourself. This is fine, it’s how Confusion works.

2) You received a HUGE stack of Confusion which killed you in a minimum of 5 hits. This would have necessitated enough CoF Shatters to appear on your log though.

Instead you claim you recieved a huge stack from CoF without enough damage to appear on the log, which just isn’t likely.

So, to translate your post, you’re saying the Confusion came from nothing then?

My money is on glamours, combined with some sort of fast hitting attack.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Warcry.1596:

Dastion.3106:

Just loaded up my Glamour build, it’s fairly typical. CoF deals 250 – 2kittenage per Illusion on a medium target (WoC deals less per hit than CoF). Even assuming no IP in their Build (which would be stupid if they are intending to focus Confusion burst on an area) that would be 9×250=2,250, which is more than enough to appear in the damage logs assuming no IP.

Is it possible? Sure, maybe an Aegis ate some of it. But one of two situations occured.

1) You had only a moderate amount of Confusion from shattering, but not enough for CoF/Confusing Images to appear and repeatedly attacked, killing yourself. This is fine, it’s how Confusion works.

2) You received a HUGE stack of Confusion which killed you in a minimum of 5 hits. This would have necessitated enough CoF Shatters to appear on your log though.

Instead you claim you recieved a huge stack from CoF without enough damage to appear on the log, which just isn’t likely.

So, to translate your post, you’re saying the Confusion came from nothing then?

My money is on glamours, combined with some sort of fast hitting attack.

What are you guys talking about. Everyone in this thread is trying to say that the confusion is coming from something other that Cry of Frustration (CoF). I was there, I got shattered. If you guys would read the posts before this you would see that the Death counter wont record CoF because it only does 49 damage a per illusion. It doesnt do enought damage to get on the Death Counter. Would you people stop protecting the shatter confusion build.

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

What are you guys talking about. Everyone in this thread is trying to say that the confusion is coming from something other that Cry of Frustration (CoF). I was there, I got shattered. If you guys would read the posts before this you would see that the Death counter wont record CoF because it only does 49 damage a per illusion. It doesnt do enought damage to get on the Death Counter. Would you people stop protecting the shatter confusion build.

We’re applying logic to a claim that doesn’t make sense. CoF does not do 49 damage per Illusion, it deals ~250+ per Illusion, more than enough to have made it into the top 5 of your list if you really were getting CoF bursted.

You took 101 hits from Confusion, that means at minimum you had to of attacked 5×. You claimed you died in only a few hits so therefore a high stack must have been the case. If the Confusion was from CoF then in order to have THAT much Confusion it would have to show up on the bar.

It’s entirely likely maybe 1 mesmer COF’d you and added some stacks, but it was definitely coming from more than one place. The way you stubbornly insist none of it came from Chaos Armor when odds are even if they were spam COFing you they’d have Chaos Armor up just supports your irrational on this issue.

Warcry.1596:

Dastion.3106:

Just loaded up my Glamour build, it’s fairly typical. CoF deals 250 – 2kittenage per Illusion on a medium target (WoC deals less per hit than CoF). Even assuming no IP in their Build (which would be stupid if they are intending to focus Confusion burst on an area) that would be 9×250=2,250, which is more than enough to appear in the damage logs assuming no IP.

Is it possible? Sure, maybe an Aegis ate some of it. But one of two situations occured.

1) You had only a moderate amount of Confusion from shattering, but not enough for CoF/Confusing Images to appear and repeatedly attacked, killing yourself. This is fine, it’s how Confusion works.

2) You received a HUGE stack of Confusion which killed you in a minimum of 5 hits. This would have necessitated enough CoF Shatters to appear on your log though.

Instead you claim you recieved a huge stack from CoF without enough damage to appear on the log, which just isn’t likely.

So, to translate your post, you’re saying the Confusion came from nothing then?

Yes. That’s exactly what I’m claiming. I didn’t just spend several posts talking about Glamour builds were the source of the Confusion or specifically reference my Glamour Build in that exact post or anything /boggle

Hi Eitte here. I had no idea this caused a fuss XD. But just to clear things up a bit…

I sort of remember spamming CoF this fight (combined with constant Chaos Armor). I also used a scepter, all of which allowed me to stack quite a bit of confusion. We weren’t that coordinated; however, we did focus on whoever we thought spammed skills the most. One of our mesmers had a power build (I’m not entirely sure, although I believe she was more inclined to use Mind Wrack) and none of us were running a glamour build.

The most confusion stacks I’ve seen in this fight was around 15 or so which leads me to believe that you might have spammed your skills too much there.

Confirming what Eitte says, none of us were running a glamour build. However we were focus targetting a lot that day so that’s probably how the confusion stacked so quickly.. I’m pretty sure we had Chaos Armor up at least most of the time.

Do you guys remember what class this bozo was?

I remember fighting one of the guards in the picture, but no sorry. :<

Pyroatheist.9031:

Do you guys remember what class this bozo was?

Bozo???? Have some respect. I never offended you and if I did I’m sorry. I was running a ranger btw.

I don’t… was it thief?

Well no matter what the case, this is still a learn to play situation. You obviously have not shut off autoattack. This is something I do everytime I enter PvP or WvW. I want to always be in control of when and who I attack. Your shortbow AA is what killed you, not the shatters.

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Do you guys remember what class this bozo was?

Bozo???? Have some respect. I never offended you and if I did I’m sorry. I was running a ranger btw.

I knew it, my theory was correct. That makes this a 100% learn to play issue. If you run around spamming your shortbow autoattack with quickness, and you don’t pay attention to the simplest things….like your health dropping rapidly…you will get killed by confusion every single time. Also, as it turns out, the ranger shortbow is the most susceptible weapon in the game to confusion damage.

One way or another, you played badly, and you’re blaming a mechanic instead of owning up to the fact that you’re just bad.

Edit: Wow, that came out harsh. Oh well.

Pyroatheist.9031:

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Do you guys remember what class this bozo was?

Bozo???? Have some respect. I never offended you and if I did I’m sorry. I was running a ranger btw.

I knew it, my theory was correct. That makes this a 100% learn to play issue. If you run around spamming your shortbow autoattack with quickness, and you don’t pay attention to the simplest things….like your health dropping rapidly…you will get killed by confusion every single time. Also, as it turns out, the ranger shortbow is the most susceptible weapon in the game to confusion damage.

One way or another, you played badly, and you’re blaming a mechanic instead of owning up to the fact that you’re just bad.

Edit: Wow, that came out harsh. Oh well.

You are ignoring the point -_-. The point was how the confusion was applied and how fast not that I was stupid an auto attacked through it. I know I did that because all my condi removal was on CD. Im trying to make a point that mesmers can apply confusion way to fast in multiple successions.

If you read the posts by the guys you faced, you would see that they all had chaos armor up, and that is likely where you were getting alot of the confusion from was your attacks hitting them. That and the fact you got focused by three … count them … three mesmers. If I get focused by three players of any profession working together as a team, I am going down and going down quickly. There is nothing about the method of choice that they use that is necessarily OP, it is a team versus one, simple as that.

Edited for grammar and spelling

The point of this thread was to say that the mesmers can apply to many stacks of confusion to fast.

1 mesmer with 3 clones and illusionary persona and not running a glamour build:

CoF (30 second cooldown) = 4 stacks of confusion
Confusing Images (assuming it was channeled for all 3 seconds, -this rarely happens- 15 second cooldown) = 5 stacks of confusion

All other stacks must come from Chaos Armor… assuming a mesmer only has Null Field (45 second cooldown) as their glamour field, this would mean having a 1 minute cooldown on Chaos Amor if both Staff #4 and Null Field were used. All in all, this would mean putting down around 8 stacks of confusion at most if everything was used.

Now think of this times three. If I was focused by 3 of the same class, I’d probably melt too. The thing is, confusion depends on the skills you use…

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

The point of this thread was to say that the mesmers can apply to many stacks of confusion to fast.

We understand the point of the thread, you’ve said it enough times by now.

The fact of the matter is, you’re wrong, and need to learn how to play. If you don’t have condition removal, then stop autoattacking, it’s that simple.

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

The point of this thread was to say that the mesmers can apply to many stacks of confusion to fast.

Engi’s can beat us in duration.. And isn’t that the whole point of the Mesmer class? Confusion… Kind of how necro’s and rangers and thieves and engi’s get poison bleeding weakness etc etc… Mesmers have easy access to confusion… We don’t even really get bleeding that much (duration from WoC isn’t even mentionable really) until we get sharper images… We don’t get poison we only get cripple from two very unreliable sources (lookin at you iZerker!)The one condition we get instant access too is confusion… We also very little damage mitigation aside from the chaos from our clones warriors guards and eles all have better access to boons and better condi removal (yes warriors have better innate condi removal) and so do rangers for that matter. So you want to take the one condition we can use and nerf it into uselessness? Good bye glamour builds scepter again becomes (more) useless torch goes from a half a weapon to the equivalent of no off hand… So maybe if they made mesmers better with other conditions… We wouldn’t be arguing against you calling confusion OP… But right now its kind of our bread and butter for condition damage… Anything else we get is a small and very insignificant bonus.

I actually contacted Eitte last night to clear this up. I gave Billy the benefit of the doubt that he knew he died in only a couple of hits. I pointed out that it would be a minimum if 5 hits even if he constantly had over 20 stacks of Confusion (min 22-25 actually) and that the only way he could get stacks that high without CoF or Confusing Images appearing on the score board was a Glamour build.

However, after talking to Eitte it just seems to be normal Shatters and a player who didn’t notice how much damage he was taking until its too late. Odds are that the stack spiked up at the end and he only just noticed it as he died. I’ve stacked 100 Blades Warriors up to 12 or so stacks of Confusion solo when I have Chaos Armor up.

BillyGoatsGruff.4695:

The point of this thread was to say that the mesmers can apply to many stacks of confusion to fast.

Tbh Engineers apply confusion about as fast as we do and in bigger chunchs (5 instant + 5 instant + other conditions + 2) 12 stacks of confusion instant. Some of the hardest candition duels I had was versus Drakeco Dustslinger, have a look.

/Osicat

Fundamentally does it matter where the confusion came from?

At the end of the day the OP killed himself because he didn’t pay attention to his own situation. Confusion is pretty much the only condition that can be completely negated by situational awareness alone.

I didn’t read all the replies as I’m short on time, but could you post a picture of 3 warriors doing 100B on you? Can you post a picture of 3 Thieves backstabbing you at the same time? Heck, you can even post a picture of 3 Necro’s dropping a well and dagger auto chain on you.

Or how about a picture where an Engineer keeps you locked in place while a Warrior and a Thief beat your face in?

Teamwork can be quite impressive.

fo realz.. you didnt win in a 1v3???? nerf dem to hell.

10K for simple shatter seems bit much, then again isnt a backstab thief nuking even faster? open with backstab, few quick auto crit hits and 3 heartseeker spams and ur hp is gone in 5 sec.

Not sure how that works for tanks though :P