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Shatter Condi Build - need advise
PS: Basically I play WvW 95% of the time,
The best advice that anyone can give you regarding condition shatter is very simple: Don’t!
Condition shatter builds are objectively worse than anything else you can use. They have no saving grace whatsoever, and are outperformed by any other variant you can come up with. If your definition of ‘challenging’ is “deliberately handicapping myself by playing a horrible build”, then condition shatter may fit for you, but my advice is to use something else.
A quick browse through the mesmer section thread history will find this opinion reflected and revalidated throughout multiple threads on this topic.
To be fair, I know some people who love that spec.
I call them sadists.
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To be fair, I know some people who love that spec.
I call them sadists.
I’ll be honest, I love it too. It’s quite fun to play and I wish it were viable…but it’s not. It’s just horrid.
To be fair, I know some people who love that spec.
I call them sadists.
I’ll be honest, I love it too. It’s quite fun to play and I wish it were viable…but it’s not. It’s just horrid.
I got bored and tried it too. And to be fair, I wanted it to work—the idea sounds cool and it was fun. But, it reminded me of condi pu minus the strengths.
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This looks like a hybrid build which I’m not sure is a very good idea. But besides that I was wondering, why take Rending Shatter over Mental Torment other than for a cover condition?
ouch, looks like shatter is not too popular. I founded fun to play tho.
Using it pre and post september patch for solo or small group roam:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7fl0npBtNqxNNcrNCwBZ6BEhAcqQg6XMjLC-TVyAABWoE8l9He+JAAgJob0NYk6PbcBA04gAEmyvAAIAMzZOzZOzkCAmpRA-w
For zerg just some aoe like this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7fl0npBttqxUNcrNSwBZ6A8gBcqLg6VkiKC-TVyAABWoE85nAAAmguR3w07PYk6PbcBA04gAEmyvAAIAMzZOzZOzkCAmpRA-w
forgot to change sigil in staff in last build… just take condi stuck sigil for 2500+ condi dmg in zerg)
Idk why every is hating on these builds.. I destroy with it. I also play most every other kind of Mesmer build out there. Its at least on par with other kinds of mesmer builds in wvw. If your set up correctly with tormenting runes scept+p / staff with rabid gear. I spike around 15 stacks of bleeding, torment and confusion which will result in them getting insta-gibbed, running away and dying or just stop doing anything and sit there and take more condis until death. If they remove them, it doesn’t bother me since I can reach the same point pretty dang fast. It how ever, doesn’t have the greatest sustain, but phase retreat + traited blink = giant bursts of speed, and I can normally escape bad situations.
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I spike around 15 stacks of bleeding, torment and confusion
So I’ll just address this right here. You can’t do that as a mesmer, it’s simply not possible. To do this would require at least 2 duelists up firing non-stop with them afk, and then being hit by multiple shatters in a row. Not only is this a massive expenditure of your resources, it simply won’t ever happen on an opponent that’s actually paying attention.
The most you’ll get is a couple stacks of bleeding, 3-6 stacks of torment (no, you can’t count the block in a burst combo, that’s not how it works), and 3-9 stacks of confusion.
The bleeding will do no damage. The confusion will drop off in a couple of seconds, and the torment can be cleansed easily. At the end of this combo, you’ve now blown a lot of cooldowns and resources. They’ve typed /dance for a couple seconds, hit a condition removal, and lost about 2k hp total.
This wouldn’t be a huge issue if you could reapply that burst constantly…but you simply can’t. Landing a shatter combo like that in sc/p+staff is 100% reliant on them being horrible at dodging/avoidance. Additionally, CoF is on a fairly long cooldown, and the iDuelists can be rapidly cleaved down to avoid their sustained bleed damage. Meanwhile, you yourself have very little actual active pressure to someone that isn’t forced to stay on top of you.
What ends up happening in these builds is that 90% of the time you stand there autoattacking in staff, relying on staff clones with IE to actually do the damage, and 10% of the time you do some sort of shatter torment burst that hits sometimes…at which point you’re better off just taking PU for the defense anyway.
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Uhmm fay, i gotta disagree on 1 point on this one, it is possible to stack 15 stacks of bleed. Around 12 (realistically) 15 (optimal conditions which if clones crit before summoning the duelist, and the range DD). with only 1 duelist. On a diffrent build of course not this one.
Confusion and torment is impossible, confusion will be possible if the Dueling IX still made the 100% finisher + ethereal field.
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Uhmm fay, i gotta disagree on 1 point on this one, it is possible to stack 15 stacks of bleed. Around 12 (realistically) 15 (optimal conditions which if clones crit before summoning the duelist, and the range DD). with only 1 duelist. On a diffrent build of course not this one.
Confusion and torment is impossible, confusion will be possible if the Dueling IX still made the 100% finisher + ethereal field.
It’s not possible to stack 15 bleed while doing that burst. If the only thing you’re doing is proccing DD explosions and summoning duelists…then yes. Note that the specific statement was “I spike 15 stacks of xxx”, implying bursting that.
Uhmm fay, i gotta disagree on 1 point on this one, it is possible to stack 15 stacks of bleed. Around 12 (realistically) 15 (optimal conditions which if clones crit before summoning the duelist, and the range DD). with only 1 duelist. On a diffrent build of course not this one.
Confusion and torment is impossible, confusion will be possible if the Dueling IX still made the 100% finisher + ethereal field.
It’s not possible to stack 15 bleed while doing that burst. If the only thing you’re doing is proccing DD explosions and summoning duelists…then yes. Note that the specific statement was “I spike 15 stacks of xxx”, implying bursting that.
Ah i see. my bad, i didnt get the ops response because it said I spike 15 stacks of bleeding torment and confusion. So I wasnt sure if he was pertaining of 15 stacks each or not haha.
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ouch, looks like shatter is not too popular. I founded fun to play tho.
Shatter is a very good spec and can be highly useful. It’s condition shatter which is really bad. There’s no reason at all to not go power shatter or dual-ranged shatter instead.
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ouch, looks like shatter is not too popular. I founded fun to play tho.
Shatter is a very good spec and can be highly useful. It’s condition shatter which is really bad. There’s no reason at all to not go power shatter or dual-ranged shatter instead.
Well, there are reasons not to if you’re soloing. It’s fragile and doesn’t handle outnumbered fights terribly well. If you’ve got a guardian or something else to run interference for you though, it instantly becomes an incredibly deadly spec to use for the massive aoe burst output.
Ah yeah, ofc. For solo play it’s so/so. It can work, but the risk is extremely high, I’ve tried doing that the past 4 months and while I never intentionally solo much, the times I’ve been caught off-guard were… fickle. I mean I could easily win, and lose much faster than that. :P
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i think shater condi mesmer got one big problem – his condi burst (like shater F2 + 3 with scepter + fire nova from baltazar runes) can be easy dodged, so all fights become long, we can do cool condi burst, but we need wait for enemy cd’s if we want dont fake our burst condi combo.
but condi mesmer is realy cool to play.
i think shater condi mesmer got one big problem – his condi burst (like shater F2 + 3 with scepter + fire nova from baltazar runes) can be easy dodged,
Do F2 + F3 shatters work different from F1 shatters?
I always thought that one of the advances of a condition shatter build would be that with the right trait you can apply confusion with any of the Fs while in a traditional shatter build you have to wait for F1 coming off cooldown.
i think shater condi mesmer got one big problem – his condi burst (like shater F2 + 3 with scepter + fire nova from baltazar runes) can be easy dodged,
Do F2 + F3 shatters work different from F1 shatters?
I always thought that one of the advances of a condition shatter build would be that with the right trait you can apply confusion with any of the Fs while in a traditional shatter build you have to wait for F1 coming off cooldown.
F2 apply 6 confusion and 3 pain + some dmg.
best prof to use it when target use it dodges and when u push ur F2 atack with 3 skill from scepter (in my build i use sigil that proc poison on next atack when swap weapon) = 11 stacks of confusion + 3pain + poison + u can apply burning with ur healing spell (pref to use baltazar runes + healing mantra) + some conditions from u to target with ur Arcane Thievery, so we got OMG condi burst, but u need make it carefull to dont let target dodge it or use some def cd’s. I prefer to use my stun from Singet of domination to make it real.
But almous all builds got stunbrake or cond cleanse so it realy hard to do, anyway u will apply 4 types of conditions + some anothers like bleed/chill/creeple..
Vs necros need to wait before he use his healing spell or condi transfer to make it true.
Vs warrior or guard we need wait for their cond cleanses or war berzerk.
All clases have some contr condition mechanics, but not all builds (better way to know their abilities – try to play them in spvp or if u have no time – just learn their skills in some build editor.
This is like FATALITY in ur pvp, use ur clones from stuff or scepter 1 skill + block + ur PU to drain out all defencive abilities from ur target and shut down it in few second.
To do it faster u can atack ur target with fast F1 or F3 to apply many conditions and after enemy will use def cd’s – use ur main F2 to make them feel analpain)))