Guild Wars 2

Hello fellow mesmers. Have any of you shatter-ers faced a really high regen ranger? I’ve asked before with not much information given to me. I am aware of vyndettas guide vs trap but it’s just not all that effective and lacking quite a few factors.

Do any of you have any strategies to over come them?

For the most part it feels like they just out heal any damage done. And also can mitigate a lot of it with sword main hand. I’ve tried focusing the pet but the regen is the same. Especially if its a wolf being that they have rather good toughness

Keeping distance never has gone well having much larger sustain while soo squishy. And condis don’t last for very long…

Any help would be appreciated.

(This is mostly an SPvP issue dunno why it’s so much less trouble in WvW… Maybe 90 crit Dmg is enough to get past their healing lol)

Arcane Thievery kills boony booners. Its a utillity skill that steals up to 3 boons and gives em 3 of your conditions
Null Field AoE boon removal is a option too

If your Utillities are full consider #3 on Greatsword, or auto-attack on main-hand sword.
Mesmers are champions at destroying boons

Good luck,
-Pyraeuz the Mesmer

here’s the thing with rangers (my alt is a ranger with healing power gear), if they spec for healing, they usually spec for some beast mastery as well, they can last surprisingly long when their heals are up, but when the heals are down, it’s up to their pets to take their conditions off them and provide survivability.

there are 2 types of regen rangers, ones who use troll unguent, and those who use healing spring.

Troll unguent heals the most out of their 3 healing skills, but does so over 10 seconds (can heal for over 1k per second for 10 seconds).

Healing spring heals for half of troll unguent initially, then heals via regeneration for 18 seconds total while also removing conditions.

Then there’s the many traits that grant regeneration, one of them increases duration by 33%, not to mention boon duration from speccing in nature magic, and damage mitigation in wilderness survival (protection and regeneration on disables/conditions, pet takes conditions from him every 10 seconds).

so here’s what you can do, you can wait for their heals to end if you’re having trouble taking them down, or if they’re bothering you with their damage, use staff skills, they’re awesome for escaping and controlling the fight.

One powerful tool you have is confusion, ranger sword #1 has a fast attack, and this type of rangers rely on cripple on sword #1 and pet swapping (they gain 2 seconds quickness when they do) to do damage, so make use of that by stacking some confusion on them (scepter #3 for example) and use chaos armor as often as you can (applies blinds to him and boons to you).

Rangers lack on demand condition removal, so using snares is very good.

Just understand how they work. They can’t keep the regen up constantly and so rely on the extra survivability gained. You can be aggressive and take advantage of the fact that they’ll usually wait until hurt to pop troll unguent and try to beat them to the punch by doing a quick 4x Diversion (20 Vuln and daze their attempts to heal) 4x Mindwrack + Blurred Frenzy combo. Or you can do some quick damage to trick them into popping it, then go defensive for 10s while you prepare the above combo for as soon is their unguents ends.

Plus, there is always Moa Form to mess with those specialized builds.

Henrik.7560:

Arcane Thievery kills boony booners. Its a utillity skill that steals up to 3 boons and gives em 3 of your conditions
Null Field AoE boon removal is a option too

If your Utillities are full consider #3 on Greatsword, or auto-attack on main-hand sword.
Mesmers are champions at destroying boons

Good luck,
-Pyraeuz the Mesmer

Not regen as in the boon.

Oh how I wish 20 into domination could solve the problem for me.

Dastion.3106:

Just understand how they work. They can’t keep the regen up constantly and so rely on the extra survivability gained. You can be aggressive and take advantage of the fact that they’ll usually wait until hurt to pop troll unguent and try to beat them to the punch by doing a quick 4x Diversion (20 Vuln and daze their attempts to heal) 4x Mindwrack + Blurred Frenzy combo. Or you can do some quick damage to trick them into popping it, then go defensive for 10s while you prepare the above combo for as soon is their unguents ends.

Plus, there is always Moa Form to mess with those specialized builds.

I’ve tried to wait out the heal but that seems to give them such a huge lead in the fight. Plus any ranger who knows how to doge a shatter is going to evade alteast 1/3 and usually having more than enough to wait out another regen… Moa may be viable in this situation but I rarely like to use elites unless its a big team fight.

@rapidsausage

Thanks for the info. I wish it was healing spring then I could just knock them out of it or they’d be stuck in that spot.

From what I gather you suggest condi/defensive till they have no heals then try to finish them? I’ll give that a try but it still is one of those things that gives them a bigger lead plus the kind of thing that’ll force you off a point.

Thanks for the advice I’ll try to apply what I can.

Kill the pet. With a ranger build like this, the pet is ultra important for condition removal. Burst the pet down fast. You’ll probably hit the ranger with some aoe too, which just makes it better. Once the pet is gone, you should have an easier time of it. Also, boon removal on shattering is an amazing trait in all sorts of situations and should absolutely be taken in a shatter build.

Haven’t really had any issues with them using a variation of Pyro’s tank/retaliation build, it has so many counters to Rangers it’s usually almost kinda sad to watch them kill themselves so quickly.

Maybe I just haven’t run into a good regen Ranger yet, but I haven’t found many Rangers in general that were particularly hard to beat 1vs1 in sPvP with that build.

So maybe this is just a problem for a shatter-centric build. In that case I think you’ll find that there is always someone out there who has a build on some class that beautifully counters your own class/build combination.

Windwalker.7421:

Haven’t really had any issues with them using a variation of Pyro’s tank/retaliation build, it has so many counters to Rangers it’s usually almost kinda sad to watch them kill themselves so quickly.

Maybe I just haven’t run into a good regen Ranger yet, but I haven’t found many Rangers in general that were particularly hard to beat 1vs1 in sPvP with that build.

So maybe this is just a problem for a shatter-centric build. In that case I think you’ll find that there is always someone out there who has a build on some class that beautifully counters your own class/build combination.

My tank build eats tanky/regen rangers for several reasons. Straight damage shatter build can have a lot of trouble with them though.