Ah, Pyro, always making friends. =P
True talk, though. I once asked supcutie “hey..you have no condition removal. How do you deal with condos without shriveling like a beached jellyfish?”
And he said thusly: “Uh.. With good positioning, awareness, and Lyssa Runes lol”
Decoy/Blink are very strong defenses against direct damage, so of course you’re making a tradeoff. If you’re built for power damage and to defend against power damage but leave conditions as an after thought then you have to accept that you created this weakness for yourself. That’s balanced.
All my condition removal on my shatter mesmer.
I agree with you on the torch,havnt said that it is not reliable,only the image is.
dischanter is not though,you might wanna try fighting the most hard condi classes,like necros and engineers,which kills it right before it even spawned,or against p/d thief that even if I have two dischanters on would still spam condis on you.You really think I haven’t fought top notch engineers, necromancers, and p/d thieves? The pDisenchanter works just spectacularly as long as you don’t just spam it on cooldown and hope it does something.
I know that skilled player can kill condi heavy without any condi removals,I already said,that I killed them many times(not saying im skilled or anything but I am sure I have more skill than some of the players I faced) but skills aside,ob even grounds,condi heavy and especially those dire/preplex ppl are very hard to beat,while we are “easy” pray to them.
And so this brings it back to the complaint that I noted earlier. “I want better condition removal because the one build I like playing doesn’t faceroll every other build in the game.” This is not a valid complaint, sorry.
It is not one build sorry,it is almost every power build.
dischanter works great on bunkers yea. cause they barly touch it.It works very well when you use it on melee range(guarantee hit).It dosnt work very well,when fighting aoe based class or p/d thief.
why cant we have a weapon skill that clear conditions like almost every proffesion have ?
why we cant have a better working Image?
why kitten ,when every theorycrafting a build on mesmer,I have to think about condi removal while on other proffesion I dont even mind that?
and lastly I dont resent Pyro or anyone else for arguing about something,we are all adults here(I think :P)
@Chaos
I didnt opened this thread,true I have problems some times with condi heavies,but I get along with no removals,and manage to play without it.
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It is not one build sorry,it is almost every power build.
And when you say ‘almost every power build’, what you actually mean is ‘the power builds that for some reason never take anything in inspration, don’t have room for the mantra, aren’t able to take traited torch, and don’t want to take pDisenchanter’. We can simplify that down to ‘the build I use’.
dischanter works great on bunkers yea. cause they barly touch it.It works very well when you use it on melee range(guarantee hit).It dosnt work very well,when fighting aoe based class or p/d thief.
I mean, you can say this as much as you want, but all that tells me is that you don’t know how to play effectively against any of those classes. I use the pDisenchanter and I’ve never had a single complaint as long as I use it skillfully.
why cant we have a weapon skill that clear conditions like almost every proffesion have ?
Because we have access to massive amounts of strong condition removal in other ways, and the weapons we have are jampacked with incredibly strong utility already.
why we cant have a better working Image?
Because anet [redacted to avoid infraction].
why kitten ,when every theorycrafting a build on mesmer,I have to think about condi removal while on other proffesion I dont even mind that?
If you don’t think about condie removal on every profession in the game when creating builds, you’re doing it wrong. I’ve 1shot thieves with just the torment block because they were full glass with no condition removal. Every single profession must take all aspects of the game into account, you just don’t want to do it the way mesmers do it, you want to do it the way [insert non-mesmer profession here] does it.
And when you say ‘almost every power build’, what you actually mean is ‘the power builds that for some reason never take anything in inspration, don’t have room for the mantra, aren’t able to take traited torch, and don’t want to take pDisenchanter’. We can simplify that down to ‘the build I use’.
Haha,that is a good one.
Didnt know the usual shatter build or the usual lockdown build are mine!
If you don’t think about condie removal on every profession in the game when creating builds, you’re doing it wrong. I’ve 1shot thieves with just the torment block because they were full glass with no condition removal. Every single profession must take all aspects of the game into account, you just don’t want to do it the way mesmers do it, you want to do it the way [insert non-mesmer profession here] does it.
My mistake,I dont think about condi cleanse as much on other proffesions as I think on my mesmer.
And when you say ‘almost every power build’, what you actually mean is ‘the power builds that for some reason never take anything in inspration, don’t have room for the mantra, aren’t able to take traited torch, and don’t want to take pDisenchanter’. We can simplify that down to ‘the build I use’.
Haha,that is a good one.
Didnt know the usual shatter build or the usual lockdown build are mine!
Ah, I suppose I misunderstood. I had assumed that you were using something other than shatter or lockdown because I’ve already explained in a quite detailed fashion why those builds do not need easier access to condition removal.
Surprised this thread is still happening…
As a mesmer you can go condi and absolutely kitten on many other classes/builds. As a mesmer you can easily build for insane condi removal that is mindless (HM+mantra heal= crazy auto condi clear without thought).
I don’t really get the issue here. Other classes do not have it so much better than us in terms of condi cleanse, if they did they wouldn’t also have players complaining every day about condis.
Every class has to trait/build for condi cleanse. Just because the “standard” or “meta” builds don’t doesn’t mean something is wrong, it just means those builds don’t prioritize condi cleanse, probably because in the hands of super good players (that define the meta, surprise surprise) condis are not a problem. For the rest of us mortals there are easy tweaks to those builds that allow you to effectively ignore condi builds.
I mean condi thieves are literally a trash spec when you build appropriately for cleanse, literally a joke. It’s so simple go X/6/X/2/X and take mantra heal and I promise you you will not ever lose 1v1 to a condi build besides maybe certain good necros unless you are handicapped. “OH BUT MANTRA I HATE THOSE,” ok ya fine, but what I said stands, take the mantra and watch as you kitten on just about any condi build.
I mean really, /thread already.
But the thing is, even without cleanses you’ll still do good. You’re a mesmer after all.
If you don’t think about condie removal on every profession in the game when creating builds, you’re doing it wrong. I’ve 1shot thieves with just the torment block because they were full glass with no condition removal. Every single profession must take all aspects of the game into account, you just don’t want to do it the way mesmers do it, you want to do it the way [insert non-mesmer profession here] does it.
Was reading though and saw this. Here’s an example of what this looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-gfWL1DWnvg#t=179
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