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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

StickerHappy.8052

First off, this build is still experimental so feel free to critique it if you like, although I had very good success with it.

Second, Allow me to give credit to the people who gave me input and inspiration with this build. To whoever made the original clone spam build, I thank you. And Skcamow! for giving very good input.

This is a combination of the clone spam build, a bit of Sckamow’s Chaotic Perdition build my favorite CI trait. and a little bit of Napalm Cat for the runes.

The build.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAW7al0npGtFpxMNcrNSpxY6cmZHSFQpPp8GA-TZRHwADeAAV2fIZZAAHEABXBAA

Clone spam condition application + Plus Phantasm bleeds. if you’re lucky that’s already 15+ stack 20 stacks from weapon swap (If you have geomancy), *the stacks *are just an estimate since chaos V is RNG.

For sure enemy will cleanse, but its constant Cripple bleed poison torment confusion + Immo, chill or blind on Interrupts
3 charges on interrupts too.
+ Burning from staff clones
+Burning on Heal
+Torment on Block

In WvW, you can substitute Balthazar for Perplexity if you’re good at timing interrupts but just for preference

Pros:

High condition application
Typical interrupt risk/reward
Bountiful Interruption synergizes with Condition damage too. 2 interrupts is already 10 stacks of might. Benefits illusions too.

Cons:

Interrupting need a lot of practice and good timing
Low power.
Mantra Heal (Rune 6 is tied with your heal) I usually go undead or krait but balth runes are so much fun.

PS: I do you use Celestial Amulet sometimes because of the ele trait that makes it immune to conditions. You can also swap decoy for blink for additional clone death and drop target.

So yeah. I am having success with it. You should try it for fun!
The cleanses counter conditions but they key is how you time your interrupts.
Hope you like it.

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Posted by: Warlord of Chaos.7845

Warlord of Chaos.7845

I think cele is better tbh since you have so much might generation. But honestly I cant really say much about the build except it has way too many mantras lol. I would prob replace the condi cleanse mantra for something like decoy to recharge mantras easier. I will gladly try this build out tomorrow

-Rylock [vE]
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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

StickerHappy.8052

I think cele is better tbh since you have so much might generation. But honestly I cant really say much about the build except it has way too many mantras lol. I would prob replace the condi cleanse mantra for something like decoy to recharge mantras easier. I will gladly try this build out tomorrow

Please do. You can also have mirror for a reliable heal. Just swap blink for decoy. And, i cant remove cleanse mantra, now I cant live without it.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

I think cele is better tbh since you have so much might generation.

I’d have to greatly disagree here. The only might generation this build has is bountiful interruption, hardly ‘so much’ might generation. It doesn’t have any sort of might duration runes either. In order for celestial to work, you need to be maintaining 15-20 stacks of might at all times in a fight. This build will spike maybe 10-15 at the most, and be at 0-5 for the majority of the time.

Overall, this build relies an enormous amount on interrupts for its defense. This means you’re going to get dismantled by things like thieves and engies. It’ll probably work pretty well against rangers/necros, but then since you have 0 sources of boon strip, anyone that can get stability uptime is going to be hard for you to deal with as well.

The way I see a lot of fights going is that you’ll be pretty solid until your mantras run out, and then you’ll get absolutely ripped apart. Your only condition removal is in a mantra, your aoe burn and healing is a mantra, your main interrupt is in a mantra, and if you try to recharge any of them, you don’t really have any way to protect it. There’s really nothing stopping someone from just killing you during the time you have sit there recharging all your mantras. If you’re able to take someone out first, then fantastic…but if not you’re gonna be in a bad situation.

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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

StickerHappy.8052

I think cele is better tbh since you have so much might generation.

I’d have to greatly disagree here. The only might generation this build has is bountiful interruption, hardly ‘so much’ might generation. It doesn’t have any sort of might duration runes either. In order for celestial to work, you need to be maintaining 15-20 stacks of might at all times in a fight. This build will spike maybe 10-15 at the most, and be at 0-5 for the majority of the time.

Overall, this build relies an enormous amount on interrupts for its defense. This means you’re going to get dismantled by things like thieves and engies. It’ll probably work pretty well against rangers/necros, but then since you have 0 sources of boon strip, anyone that can get stability uptime is going to be hard for you to deal with as well.

The way I see a lot of fights going is that you’ll be pretty solid until your mantras run out, and then you’ll get absolutely ripped apart. Your only condition removal is in a mantra, your aoe burn and healing is a mantra, your main interrupt is in a mantra, and if you try to recharge any of them, you don’t really have any way to protect it. There’s really nothing stopping someone from just killing you during the time you have sit there recharging all your mantras. If you’re able to take someone out first, then fantastic…but if not you’re gonna be in a bad situation.

Thats a very good point pyro. But the state of mantra we have right now is..you know.
But again, Just switch out the healing mantra with EF or Mirror then swap undead/krait runes. For the boons believe it or not, I usually just wait out stability.

But but but.. the main dmg comes from the conditions I only use the interrupts for interrupts. For the cleanse mantra thats the only condi cleanse reliable enough to get, I could get Mender’s Purity but it will be the same scenario for a mantra heal. Torch OH trait is at Master Tier too.

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Posted by: derbaer.1284

derbaer.1284

Thanks for the build, Sticker, Ill give it a try for sure!

What I will do is to swap crippling dissipation (Dom V) for menders purity (Insp IV).
With pistol 5/staff 5/CI you have so many disabling abilities, that you wont really need another cripple imho.
Menders purity, on the other hand, will be great with the heal mantra+harmonious mantras. Your condition cleanse will be awesome in combination with mantra of resolve-or you could even try to change MoR for another utility, like decoy.

Just my 2pc.

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Posted by: StickerHappy.8052

StickerHappy.8052

Thanks for the build, Sticker, Ill give it a try for sure!

What I will do is to swap crippling dissipation (Dom V) for menders purity (Insp IV).
With pistol 5/staff 5/CI you have so many disabling abilities, that you wont really need another cripple imho.
Menders purity, on the other hand, will be great with the heal mantra+harmonious mantras. Your condition cleanse will be awesome in combination with mantra of resolve-or you could even try to change MoR for another utility, like decoy.

Just my 2pc.

You can do whatever you want with the build as long as the concept stays the same. As I’ve said, play it for fun, no need for technicalities. You have a good point with Dom V. But I use the cripple for masking the bleeds and other damaging conditions. You know what you can also replace it to 10 pts in illusions, you can have the confusion shatter and 1 more trait.

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Posted by: Simonoly.4352

Simonoly.4352

I run a similar build in WvW, but I chose to put those 10 remaining points into Inspiration to get Mender’s Purity, which allows me to free up a utility space for some well needed boon stripping. Nothing quite as irritating as fighting a Warrior with Balanced Stance AND Last Stand when you’re running interrupt traits.

Gandara