Guild Wars 2

I have been thinking last night that shattercat is the only way of brining out the Mesmers’ full power. With the shatter skills disorienting an opponent every time means that you will probably have the upper hand throughout the whole fight. Now I realized that most of the shattercat builds out there are mainhand/offhand and twohanded. I tried thinking of new types of weapons for a shatter cat build, but found the only alternatives to be all one handed weapons. See, if I use 2 twohanded weapons for a shatter cat build, they would be sharing the same cool down and all of the skills would be pretty much useless even after the weapon swap. So I realized that if I were to use Sword/x and Sword/Y, It would be a whole new shatter cat build in itself, for then you would not need the cd on staff trait and have a whole 10 trait points to use somewhere else. I tried this out, but what I am worried about is the way the cooldowns could affect the clone generation. Maybe with a constant supply of clones on dodge trait(by means of fast endurance regen), we can make up for the main hand swords sharing the same cool down. Now the problem arises for the offhand weapons. I know the off hand weapons have to be a low cool down weapons so as to make up for the main hand swords sharing the same cd with each other. But if i happen to choose sword and pistol as the offhands it would be sorta hard to deal with multiple opponents. Because all of the phantasms focus on one target, but if I were to use something like Focus as my offhand, it would be more aoe damage, but the cd would arise as the problem, If I were to have like the torch off hand for stealth, I wouldn’t be able to get the cd trait for torch because I would be spending 30 in shatter line, at least 10 in chaos, 20 in dueling, and the remaining 10 in somewhere else. That remaining 10 line isn’t enough for me to aquire the cd torch trait. So I am wondering what offhand weapon sets I should use as Sword/X Sword/Y shatter cat Mesmer. Now I am gonna be doing this and you don’t have to do it if you don’t want to. I would like to see the best possible offhand combinations for this version of a shattercat. All I need is suggestions. That is all. I will post the build within a minute or so.

This is my version of the shattercat build. I am gonna keep trying this build for awhile. it really suits my style. Although that is only my thinking.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgQQRAsc8dlwzipXUzpGbNJipCEHqHYH49dkK0alUwbXIA-jUzAYrBRTMAoPQEhQn8SU+LrJwAWxGiWVLsabMNMqKeIyG8ioVLEwoxA-w

Why take 1 MH and 2 OH if the MH has the same cooldown? Why not add a scepter for another 3 skills? Seems liek a waste…

Just for the record, you don’t seem to understand what the shattercat build means. Shattercat = shatter build made by Osicat. All of the shattercat variations are his. If someone else makes a build, it is not a shattercat variation because Osi didn’t make it -_-.

Sorry, this has been bugging me with your continued posting of subpar shatter builds tagged kittentercats.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Just for the record, you don’t seem to understand what the shattercat build means. Shattercat = shatter build made by Osicat. All of the shattercat variations are his. If someone else makes a build, it is not a shattercat variation because Osi didn’t make it -_-.

Sorry, this has been bugging me with your continued posting of subpar shatter builds tagged kittentercats.

Woah sorry bro I didn’t mean to offend…but Iv’e never posted a build on the forums before, so I don’t know what you mean. I run a variation of shattercat mist myself. I assure you I know of Osicat’s builds, and I have a lot of respect for him. I just don’t know why one wouldn’t use a weapon slot

kaikalii.4198:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Just for the record, you don’t seem to understand what the shattercat build means. Shattercat = shatter build made by Osicat. All of the shattercat variations are his. If someone else makes a build, it is not a shattercat variation because Osi didn’t make it -_-.

Sorry, this has been bugging me with your continued posting of subpar shatter builds tagged kittentercats.

Woah sorry bro I didn’t mean to offend…but Iv’e never posted a build on the forums before, so I don’t know what you mean. I run a variation of shattercat mist myself. I assure you I know of Osicat’s builds, and I have a lot of respect for him. I just don’t know why one wouldn’t use a weapon slot

I don’t believe he was talking to you.

Also sword is so good with all offhands it wouldn’t be unheard of to go sword/sword & sword/focus or sword/pistol.

If you trait to lower sword cooldowns + precision that means your skills on MH will always be lower, without having to use two traits (in different lines). Also, you can use 4 sigils instead of 3 now.

kaikalii.4198:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Just for the record, you don’t seem to understand what the shattercat build means. Shattercat = shatter build made by Osicat. All of the shattercat variations are his. If someone else makes a build, it is not a shattercat variation because Osi didn’t make it -_-.

Sorry, this has been bugging me with your continued posting of subpar shatter builds tagged kittentercats.

Woah sorry bro I didn’t mean to offend…but Iv’e never posted a build on the forums before, so I don’t know what you mean. I run a variation of shattercat mist myself. I assure you I know of Osicat’s builds, and I have a lot of respect for him. I just don’t know why one wouldn’t use a weapon slot

Hilarious… He means the author who use a new build named shattercat build…
I just make a joke. The play style of a shatter mesmer is indeed like a cat. U keep distance with ur enemy at first. Then u find time to use sword 3 to jump on your enemy and deal burst damage. Then u jump back and keep distance. It is really like a lovely cat…

And for the post, I think u need a ranged weapon to keep pressure on enemy. sword is good, but decent player will dodge sword 3 and then u have nothing to do with double swords main hand

Ethics.4519:

kaikalii.4198:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Just for the record, you don’t seem to understand what the shattercat build means. Shattercat = shatter build made by Osicat. All of the shattercat variations are his. If someone else makes a build, it is not a shattercat variation because Osi didn’t make it -_-.

Sorry, this has been bugging me with your continued posting of subpar shatter builds tagged kittentercats.

Woah sorry bro I didn’t mean to offend…but Iv’e never posted a build on the forums before, so I don’t know what you mean. I run a variation of shattercat mist myself. I assure you I know of Osicat’s builds, and I have a lot of respect for him. I just don’t know why one wouldn’t use a weapon slot

I don’t believe he was talking to you.

Also sword is so good with all offhands it wouldn’t be unheard of to go sword/sword & sword/focus or sword/pistol.

If you trait to lower sword cooldowns + precision that means your skills on MH will always be lower, without having to use two traits (in different lines). Also, you can use 4 sigils instead of 3 now.

XD I didn’t even realize. Also, thanks for the perspective. I never considered having to only use one trait. I’ll have to try this tactic out now!

Yeah I get you. But Osicat’s Shatter build just incorporates typically the 30 in shatter line a sword/offhand and staff set. So if someone were to devise a new shatter spec then it is his. The thing is people really think that Osicat is the creator of the shattercat build. I really respect him for coming up with the shatter cat builds. That’s the reason why I even have Shattercat as part of my character’s name. But if someone else makes a different version of a shattercat build and somehow makes it viable even though other’s thought it was bad, then that makes that certain person the Creator of that version of the shattercat build. Let me tell you, that anyone could have been the creator of the shattercat build. The people who bought the game when it first came out are definitely more knowledgable and are able to try new things out more quickly then people who aquired the game like 5 months after it’s release. So what I am saying is if most of the people playing the game now had gotten it during its release, it might not have been Osicat who would have been the Creator of the shattercat build, but it might even have been one of you who would be the shattercat creator So I only give credit to Osicat for all of the builds he has right now. Any other version of the shattercat build I will be giving credit to that person alone, not Osicat.

I don’t think you understand. Osi*cat*. That is why he calls his builds ’shatter*cat*’ builds. Additionally, you are worrying far too much about build ownership and far too little about making a good build.

Dude like come on man. You just trolling with me? One of your so called friends said that all Shattercat builds are Osicat’s, so i was just giving my opinion on that idea. BTW I try to be creative first then try to make the build upon that base. I really dont care if at first the build sucks. I am trying to be unique first, then make it better. Of course you guyz would go back to saying that Osicat is the creator and what not. I feel that the only reason you think he is the creator is because he put the name Shattercat for his builds. I am pretty sure 100percent that he wasn’t the first one to use the illusions line to create a shatter mesmer. As much as I have respect for his gameplays and his builds, he is not the Creator of the entire shatter mechanism. that is just absurd and too much of a one way thinking.

I’ve explained entirely clearly. Your continued refusal to understand the concept is either willfull ignorance or incredible ….yeah. As an aside, your build is rather unfocused, the traits and weapons don’t really support the shatter play style. The point of using double MH sword is to provide for the use of two offhands, but to make up for the lack of 2 full skill sets, you need both offhands traited, which you don’t. It’s not a good build, and certainly not worth being considered with the normal shattercat builds.

Well technically the build has plenty of clone generation with the utility choices and DE. It also goes 30 into illusions for the shatter CD’s, so it is taking advantage of the shatter methodology, however much is lost by waiting on MH sword CD’s when you swap. Definitely a disadvantage. Fine if the OP likes it, but I personally wouldn’t play that setup.

1) Pyro and myself have said this before. This is not a Shattercat build because it wasn’t made by Osi*cat*. This is indeed a Shatter Build but not a Shattercat. The difference? Who made it. You are not Osicat and thus can’t actually make Shattercat Builds. You can however make Shatter Builds which you have done.

2) Osicat himself says how he didn’t create the idea of a shatter build but he is easily the most knowledgeable and the most posted about them and thus why he calls the builds he has post Shattercat Builds.

3) You are so obssesed with having something NEW that works and that people will find useful that you have totally ignored any and all advise from anyone. The first Mesmer build you posted was horrid and you simply yelled at people for telling you why. Your MM Necro build was bad and you ignored the entire of the Necro community and wanted someone to tell you that it was awesome so bad that you thought posting on the Mesmer forums would be a good idea. This new build is by far the most viable out of the three builds I have seen you post in the last few days. Now I am going to say some things about it and I am sure you are going to ignore them but here goes anyway.

S/S is a personal favorite combo of mine while running a Shatter Build. I would replace your sigil of stamina with another sigil of endurance because it is simply better to know you have an on demand dodge after switching that it would be trying to make sure you are in the right weapon set when an opponent dies to get the endurance.

You are zero condition removal outside of the whirl finished combo of iWarden and Curtain. This isn’t particularly uncommon in any Mesmer build but you also have base VIT which means you have no direct HP pool to deal with conditions which is the new Flavor of the Month and thus you will probably get eatn alive.

I would switch your second sword to a scepter as well. The CD on Blurred Frenzy is on a 9.5s CD thus you can use it every after you switch back to it. You iLeap thanks to Sword CD trait and IC is on a 7s cooldown which I will give you is faster than a weapon swap. So you can use it twice in the 9 seconds because a weapon swap is up. Now thinking that this will decrease your clone generation if you use scepter is wrong. Scepter auto produces a clone all be it slightly slow since the chain of attacks still hasn’t been tweeked at all. The dodge also produces a clone plus gives a little more pressure with torment. Not much mind you but everything helps.

If you take out the Chaos line and forget about the Manipulation CD since you are only using it for Blink you can put 10 more into Domination and replace the focus you have with a traited torch. This will give you a stealth every 21s PLUS condition removal. You cleans one condition on using either Prestige or iMage plus iMages bounces cure conditions when they hit you if he is traited (this may be a bug but I like to think it is working as intended).

Lastly) You are so obsessed with being innovative and having someone tell you you are awesome that you are creating without thinking which in the real world is dangerous. Innovation for simply the reason of innovation is wrong and rarely works out.

Bra Pyroatheist ever considered taht you are the one who is entirely ignorant?? I do understand what all of you are saying. Like I am trying even now to incorporate all your suggestions into bettering myself. But the way you seem to act like you are some superior being and I am your servant is what kitten es me off. I bet ya you would be typing next about how I was the one who is ignorant. If you looke at all of you and your friends comments, it is mostly of very mean criticism. Like you are some sort of mesmer god. Jeez man. We are all mesmers here. BTW I have full confidence that I am better than you, or at least equal in my gameplay ability to yours. that is why i was trying to post new builds to try to understand more deeply about the mesmer. All you are doing right now is harshly criticising me and then turning back and telling me that I started it. that is so bull crap. Hope you realize it.

Strictly speaking and legally, OP is not wrong in naming his build “Shattercat”, it’s not like the name is patented by Osicat or anything.
However, the name is misleading and easily mistaken by someone, especially who is new to the forum, in the sense that the build is somehow related to Osicat.

@OP:
I’m not sure what your purpose in naming your build like that while you can easily name something else different like 7th Dimension’s Shatter build for example.

So to OP:
At best, if you name it so in honour of Osicat, you should make it clear in your post.
At worst, if you name it so to attract more attention/acceptance then it’s false advertising and people have the rights to criticize you.

I agree, strictly or legally speaking the OP may not be wrong, but Osicat and Pyro are extremely respected users in this forum because they put a lot of thought into what they say, invest a lot of time in theorycrafting and have given us some very clever, effective builds. Hell, the german GW2 forums suck, through Osicat and Pyro and a few other dedicated players at least HERE I found useful information and many helpful tips.

That doesnt mean we have to crawl up their kittens every single day from now on. But for me, personally, their names are like a seal of quality, and I naturally can’t say the same thing about every other stranger who comes to these forums to fart out some new, half baked build.

So, before naming one of these freshly farted, possibly unsound builds after a guy whose name is usually connected with “what he does is cool, use it, it’s going to work” maybe the OP would better name his builds in any other way, that doesnt confuse people.