So recently I’ve realised that if you begin casting ‘The Prestige’ and cancel right before you pop out of stealth, the cool-down resets and you essentially have a two second stealth on a 3.5 second CD. Now, before I start utilising this in all walks of life, including PvP, I want to know.. is it a bug? Would using this class as ‘exploiting’ or is it completely fine?
Nah that’s considered “cheesing it” it’s not intended, there is a similar bug with mantras that causes them to go on full cooldown if canceled or interrupted right as the charge completes and the skill swaps over.
Please let us know if this is as-intended. We don’t want to be exploiting things.
Also, would you agree it would be better if we had a single sticky thread with a consolidated list of Mesmer bugs in this forum? I certainly think so. I’ve seen it done in other MMO forums and found it very helpful.
While you are looking at this skill, it would be great if you
1) Reversed the order of effects: Burn upon stealthing, Blind upon reappearing. Why are you blinding them when you are stealthing anyway? Plus, you can actually use the blast finisher of the flame, since it’s instant.
2) Also, I don’t see why it’s necessary for this to be a channeled effect… feel free to take that away if you feel like it. Thanks!
The spell is stupidly designed. The burn effect only applies if the full stealth duration has been channeled uninterupted. If you interupt the stealth before the 3 seconds have passed, you will not get the burn effect.
I didn’t notice the cooldown went on a short timer after interupting the channeling. This would make it a good tool to blind your foes – not burn them – repeatedly (blind traits anyone?:) ). This should be its sole usage. It cannot be used for damage, as you do not actually deal more dps by waiting 3 seconds to properly channel it until the burn effect; and for damage mitigation you will prefer the continuous blinding over a few miliseconds extra stealth.
Please let us know if this is as-intended. We don’t want to be exploiting things.
Also, would you agree it would be better if we had a single sticky thread with a consolidated list of Mesmer bugs in this forum? I certainly think so. I’ve seen it done in other MMO forums and found it very helpful.
While you are looking at this skill, it would be great if you
1) Reversed the order of effects: Burn upon stealthing, Blind upon reappearing. Why are you blinding them when you are stealthing anyway? Plus, you can actually use the blast finisher of the flame, since it’s instant.
2) Also, I don’t see why it’s necessary for this to be a channeled effect… feel free to take that away if you feel like it. Thanks!
Really agree with this. The effects should be reversed. It would be far more useful.
Alternatively, make it so breaking the stealth early triggers the second effect (and the cooldown), that way if we need damage and not an escape, we can just immediately break the stealth to get both effects.
As it stands now, it is by definition an exploit. The fact you can get 100% of the abilities effects with a 4 second cooldown and not a 30 second cooldown is evidence of this. A big exploit? Not really but an exploit nonetheless.
Dren Therasi, Fissure of Woe EU, author and theorycrafter of www.mesmermesmerised.com
Please let us know if this is as-intended. We don’t want to be exploiting things.
Also, would you agree it would be better if we had a single sticky thread with a consolidated list of Mesmer bugs in this forum? I certainly think so. I’ve seen it done in other MMO forums and found it very helpful.
Plus this isn’t the correct forum for bugs in the first place. That’s why the linked thread is in the Game Bugs forum and not here. We just got lucky.
I know that’s what the forum says, but it’s flat out wrong. A single forum containing all the bugs in the game is inefficient and ineffective. A much better way would be to collect all the bugs related to a given profession in a single thread. This is easier for the developers and easier for the community.
Please let us know if this is as-intended. We don’t want to be exploiting things.
Also, would you agree it would be better if we had a single sticky thread with a consolidated list of Mesmer bugs in this forum? I certainly think so. I’ve seen it done in other MMO forums and found it very helpful.
Plus this isn’t the correct forum for bugs in the first place. That’s why the linked thread is in the Game Bugs forum and not here. We just got lucky.
I know that’s what the forum says, but it’s flat out wrong. A single forum containing all the bugs in the game is inefficient and ineffective. A much better way would be to collect all the bugs related to a given profession in a single thread. This is easier for the developers and easier for the community.
Agreed. Also it could bring focus onto bugs that are in for weeks / months ? and are like really game breaking. Like Temporal curtain not adding swiftness duration if you already have it (REALLY REALLY annoying). Or signet of inspiration not working at all out of combat (intended maybe ? then it’s useless what combat last longer than 20 sec ? :/) etc. And that is without talking about some bugged traits.
Worse isn’t that there are bugs, every game got bugs, worse is the time the game is going with those bugs….I know Anet does have more things to deal with, but those bugs do really lower the quality of the game. (Clipping in WvW also is BAD BAD BAD, and no it’s not my pc, it’s some tweak in their engine since beginning of september).
Half the time when I use the prestige, the stealth effect doesn’t happen. Am I doing something wrong? Usually I pop it and am moving around, but I’m not using other abilities in between.
I know that’s what the forum says, but it’s flat out wrong. A single forum containing all the bugs in the game is inefficient and ineffective. A much better way would be to collect all the bugs related to a given profession in a single thread. This is easier for the developers and easier for the community.
Agreed. Also it could bring focus onto bugs that are in for weeks / months ? and are like really game breaking. Like Temporal curtain not adding swiftness duration if you already have it (REALLY REALLY annoying). Or signet of inspiration not working at all out of combat (intended maybe ? then it’s useless what combat last longer than 20 sec ? :/) etc. And that is without talking about some bugged traits.
Worse isn’t that there are bugs, every game got bugs, worse is the time the game is going with those bugs….I know Anet does have more things to deal with, but those bugs do really lower the quality of the game. (Clipping in WvW also is BAD BAD BAD, and no it’s not my pc, it’s some tweak in their engine since beginning of september).
This is a total failure in logic and basic reading comprehension.
They flat out tell you, if you want this addressed quicker, do x, y and z.
If you can’t follow the instructions they’ve laid out for you, then they can’t use the thread for their intended purpose.
There are already several Mesmer threads that are filled with a list of bugs in this forum and in the game bug forum. Yet the only thread that actually has a response is
a) not a list thread
b) a thread that actually followed their criteria — before everyone started flocking to it after the response in wasted hope of acknowledgement for their post(s).
Reversing the order, while a straight and substantial buff (much needed, although I’d argue PMage needs work far more so than Prestige!), wouldn’t really make sense.
You disappear in a cloud of smoke – which happens to be blinding the nearby targets. 3 seconds later you return for the “finish”, which is the flame-aspect every torch-user has on one of their abilities.
Proposed changes:
Prestige
Remove the channeled aspect, and make the flames trigger the moment the stealth breaks – for whatever reason.
This change alone would more or less remove any current issue with this ability, I believe.
Phantasmal Mage
Instead of Confusion only, make him apply 1 stack of Burning + 1 stack of Confusion per attack. Between his 6s spaced casts, he should use an effect 2x on a nearby friendly target which gives them the Retaliation stack (i.e.: make those effects fully separate).
The strength of heart to face oneself has been made manifest. The persona Carighan has appeared.
It’s not only a spammable stealth skill now – remember it applies AoE Blindness – you can use that to trigger Blinding Befuddlement for easy access to confusion as well… and that is AoE too!
I know that’s what the forum says, but it’s flat out wrong. A single forum containing all the bugs in the game is inefficient and ineffective. A much better way would be to collect all the bugs related to a given profession in a single thread. This is easier for the developers and easier for the community.
Agreed. Also it could bring focus onto bugs that are in for weeks / months ? and are like really game breaking. Like Temporal curtain not adding swiftness duration if you already have it (REALLY REALLY annoying). Or signet of inspiration not working at all out of combat (intended maybe ? then it’s useless what combat last longer than 20 sec ? :/) etc. And that is without talking about some bugged traits.
Worse isn’t that there are bugs, every game got bugs, worse is the time the game is going with those bugs….I know Anet does have more things to deal with, but those bugs do really lower the quality of the game. (Clipping in WvW also is BAD BAD BAD, and no it’s not my pc, it’s some tweak in their engine since beginning of september).
This is a total failure in logic and basic reading comprehension.
They flat out tell you, if you want this addressed quicker, do x, y and z.
If you can’t follow the instructions they’ve laid out for you, then they can’t use the thread for their intended purpose.
There are already several Mesmer threads that are filled with a list of bugs in this forum and in the game bug forum. Yet the only thread that actually has a response is
a) not a list thread
b) a thread that actually followed their criteria — before everyone started flocking to it after the response in wasted hope of acknowledgement for their post(s).
Hope the devs won’t just fix the bug but also have a look at the torch skills.
Prestige
Remove the channeled aspect, and make the flames trigger the moment the stealth breaks – for whatever reason.
This change alone would more or less remove any current issue with this ability, I believe.
+1. This would resolve everything and would be welcomed by the mesmers.
Already saw it, which if you would know if you actually paid attention to the 2nd post in the Mesmer thread asking about it.
It’s new information that neither of us knew about before; there is no crow to eat.
I didn’t need to know about that – I simply knew what the superior solution was while you made some jejune posts about reading comprehension. Put plainly – I was right. Enjoy the crow.
Already saw it, which if you would know if you actually paid attention to the 2nd post in the Mesmer thread asking about it.
It’s new information that neither of us knew about before; there is no crow to eat.
I didn’t need to know about that – I simply knew what the superior solution was while you made some jejune posts about reading comprehension. Put plainly – I was right. Enjoy the crow.
Is that all you seriously really cared about? Another dev felt your idea was the right one after seeing a stellar example of it done right after many done wrong. Sorry, I apologize.
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