Guild Wars 2

It’s coming. The inevitable Mesmer nerf is coming. The people are crying for justice and their pleas will be answered in one swift, decisive blow. I don’t know how, I don’t know when, but the time of the Mesmer will soon be over, and WvW/sPvP alike will rejoice. My only wish is that this attempt at balancing the classes is over-done, and Mesmers everywhere are nerfed into the ground, transformed into walking loot bags. Such should be the punishment for taking advantage of a flawed system.

… All dramatics aside I’m getting real sick of only seeing Mesmers (and to a lesser degree, Thieves) in WvW. I know their good, I know their easy to play. When you go to Heart of the Mists and within a few hours gameplay you’re mopping up other classes with ease, you know something’s up. The damage is by far the best in the game, done at range!? The warriors cry at the thought. I went Asura too, if you want to experience overpowered, may as well go all the way right? And overpowered it is, it was like I engaged easy mode where I hit for double and everyone else hits for…. Hits for nothing, the ports and evades are out of this world. Hell even just standing still to blend in with the clones threw a few people off, and only evade at the last second if a big hit was coming my way.

So, I’m sorry but, I’m legitimately calling OP. I’ve heard this accusation been thrown around a lot, but it really is. I’m hardly the best player and yet even after a few hours experience I’m racking up the kills (don’t get me wrong, I did get killed a few times, but I’d say seasoned veterans are much less likely to make such rookie errors, as they’re so easily avoidable as the Master of Trickery.)

If you really think Mesmers are well balanced, then I ask you to take a look out in WvW, and ask yourself why almost everyone is a Mesmer (or Thief I suppose, the principle is the same.)

Funny. I see more guardians and eles than anything else. Then thieves and mes. 4 out of 8 seems middle of the road to me. Hardly dominance.

I disagree that we have the best damage at range, there’s a reason there are so many elementalists, etc. Mesmers are also not easy to play. Whoever told you that dun lied to you. I have farm more difficulty playing my Mesmer than my… well anything else, really.
That being said, I have to admit, I know the nerf is coming, but it will NEVER be balanced until they split skills into PvE and PvP. A single Mesmer can do so very VERY much in PvP that it’s rather ridiculous.
You bring up a fantastic point about thief also being common. It’s practically impossible to balance the capabilities that mesmers/thieves have because those powers are wholly unique. If something is doing too much damage, you can reduce it, if something is not healing for enough you can boost it, but how do you measure the value of transporting 20 people past a wall or turning everyone on your side invisible?

You can’t really measure the value of these things with numbers. I have NO idea how to balance something like that, especially considering it’s uselessness in PvE. Frankly, I wish Arenanet the best of luck in finding a way to keep things even.

You know, I wouldn’t even mind the Mesmer’s combat prowness, I do mind however the, ehm… fact that they’re the core of most of planned efforts. I suppose that being the only USEFUL utility class is a curse around there.

You know, back before I started my Mesmer… everyone would tell you a few things:

1. Mesmers suck at PvE. Totally. Suckiest class ever for PvE. A pain in the kitten

2. Mesmers are really fun in PvP, because people will not know which one is the real you.

However, I decided to make a Mesmer anyway. So, let’s look at what we have now. Mesmers got nerfed (yes, nerfed; not buffed) quite a few times since then. Also, many if not most people can now easily tell who’s a clone and who’s the real you. And all of a sudden, people are whining that Mesmers are completely OP, for ridiculous reasons. Wtf?

Seriously; if you can’t beat a Mesmer just because it’s a Mesmer, then learn how to. Mesmers are NOT OP. You just don’t know how to beat them (and believe me; many people know how to do just that). If you lose vs a Mesmer because he’s just the better player… well, that happens. Try to improve your skills. And for f’s sake, don’t run around screaming “OP!!!!!!1!!1!!oneleven!!!!!”. That just makes you look like someone who’s either too stupid or too lazy to learn to fight Mesmers and/or improve his skills. Yes, Mesmers aren’t easy to beat if they’re played right. But now, that’s not a Mesmer-only thing. That counts for EVERY class. Heck; I’ve heard people say that Engineers are so fkin bad at PvP… but did you see the videos of that engineer fighting Osicat? Really awesome battles. How comes that “the most UP class ever” is having epic fights against the “most OP class ever”? Shouldn’t Osicat just have facerolled that guy easily? Seriously… ~sighs~

half the nerf is done already… greatsword mesmers have been rendered garbage. now they just need to take care of staff users. i already quit playing until gs is fixxed i just check here every once in a while to see if there is an update..

in full ascended/exotic glass cannon gear my izerker hits for 1200 most of the time.

its worse then just hitting 1.

IMO portal is the only thing mesmers bring to the table that no other class has and can even remotely be considered overpowered. For the record I don’t even like or use portal, no matter the situation.

I fail to see a problem with any other ability when compared to eles, guardians or thieves in particular – each of these played well can give anyone a run for their money, mesmer or not.

The only 3 classes I would think of as marginally underpowered when compared with the 4 above are engis, necros and rangers, although I do see a good number of these in pve at least.

Mesmers are not easy to play well, and can easily be beaten if not played well.

It’s easy to achieve something as a mesmer, it’s hard to excell at it.

The majority of what I see is guardian and ele. I see more warriors, rangers, and necros than mesmers in wvw. We do need a nerf to confusing enchantments, which is our only really overpowered thing for wvw because it makes glamours equivalent to line fields giving them an unlimited target cap for the enter/exit confusion. You take that away and you’ll see people shy away from confusion if they prefer power specs. If you think mesmer as a whole is overpowered then honestly there is no point in going any further.

Can’t speak for spvp, I hardly do it with how terrible it is.

Curunen.8729:

The only 3 classes I would think of as marginally underpowered when compared with the 4 above are engis, necros and rangers, although I do see a good number of these in pve at least.

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I would like someone to show the documented truth that Mesmers are dealing out more damage than other classes.

A Mesmer was my first character, after researching what people thought of as a “bad” class, and I’ve found it to be one of the most pleasing classes to play now that I’ve been through all of the other classes. They have great survivability. However, that comes with a need to know some gaming basics; i.e. Don’t stop moving,; Use “All” of the skills you’ve spec’d into; etc. etc. etc…

Anet shouldn’t be asked to nerf a class because it has unique skills. They chose to put that unique twist into each class, in one respect or another. Keep in mind that next month there’ll be another class under the microscope because 1-2 people found a new way to “exploit” – I use the term in both light and heavy terms – a skill and/or situation, which will ultimately result in The Masses screaming for another nerf. Thus the world turns.

We all have three choices for any situation; Influence, Accept, or Remove. Too many people choose to influence before even considering the other options.

MrForz.1953:

Curunen.8729:

The only 3 classes I would think of as marginally underpowered when compared with the 4 above are engis, necros and rangers, although I do see a good number of these in pve at least.

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Hey, I’m just responding to the OP’s claims – I know how powerful those 3 classes can be. When I say underpowered, I mean like 0.1% (arbitrary) below eles/thieves and such. Otherwise all classes are on almost equal footing.

Engis are not UP in pvp but they are in pve. Rangers are good in spvp but not wvw.. necros can be decent at some things but I agree they’re UP comapred to everything else.
On topic: There’s no doubt the mesmer is OP. They just have access to too many things to not be. They can do heavy damage where the normal ways of countering heavy damage (i.e. retalliation confusion blinds etc) don’t make ANY DIFFERENCE because they do their damage from phantasms or shatters. Not to mention they’re impossibly hard to keep still.
Yeah yeah mesmers suck in the wrong hands, but kitten man, we’re talking about everyone else who have their classes in the RIGHT HANDS. In this case the mesmer is just exceedingly OP.

Oh gee you so good you soo OP hot kitten
If you think mesmer is “OPest” class in PvP, you simply don’t play that much.
Ele is, by far and far, the best class, they can do whatever they want against every class.
Thieves are hardly OP anymore, just learn how to react a little and listen to the sounds of the battle.

Try tourneys alone and see how well you do against experienced teams and tell us after how OP you are.

I think it’s quite obvious this guy is just trying to troll and cause rage. Wouldn’t bother responding We all know the truth

@Dolan
I have a Mesmer an ele and a guardian… Guess which classes I bring to PvP… That’s right my ele and guardian you know why? Because I like holding points and nothing beats a healing shout guardian for that… 9K heals and conditions psh… Mesmers are not OP just because they bring ONE instant transport mechanic that is good for either A) Back Capping or Stopping the Cap…. It has a short leash so at the very best Mesmer can go mid after dropping the portal… As far as ressing necro/guardian/warrior/ranger (sig of undeath, sig of mercy, battle standard, search and rescue) will all fully res someone where as IoL only gives you 15 seconds…In hotjoins mesmers seem OP as eff because you have 8 people wailing on each other… It’s already Chaotic… But when you get past that mesmers become middle of the road and only slightly better than others at roflstomping bunkers (SHATTERED CONCENTRATION!) So please take your doomsday prophecy else where.

Eles arent op. They’re good bunkers but kitten who gives a crap. Im mostly speaking of wvw when I speak of mesmers being OP anyway.

so the least mobile profession in game is the most op in the part of the game where mobility matters most…. interesting…

Mesmer has this problem in GW1…….but it’s not the problem you think it is.

It’s not that people can’t beat mesmer because it’s op.

It’s because they can’t beat a mesmer……..because it’s a mesmer!

Why do you ask? Is the mesmer inherently broken? No, it’s because the mesmer punishes people who underestimate a mesmer and make mistakes and it punishes them hard. Those people do not even attempt to learn about mesmer, and as such the mesmer keeps making them make out with the dirt.

Warriors were hideously gimpy (besides 100b trick ponies) at launch.
They still suck (even worse now).

Thief backstab burst was op at launch.
It still is.

Bunker guardians were op at launch.
They still are.

Mesmers were op at launch.
They still are.

Ele has been ridiculous in the meta for many months now with mobility/regen.
No real nerfs.

Conclusion:
aNet are terrible at balancing. They are also hilariously slow at doing it.
Roll the op classes now. Chances are they won’t be nerfed for a year or so.

I’ll agree that mesmers don’t hold points too well, but they’ll kitten well annihilate the person trying to. Guardians and Ele’s are hardly OP, take your own advice and play them (as I did with Mesmer to justify my claim.) Most Ele’s run a soft hitting bunker build, the rapid chain of attacks make them prone to confusion, whilst the condition removal is quite good, they will always hit themselves at least 2-3 times before cleansing. Running shatter? They’ll never do enough damage to you in the short encounters that they catch you, it may take time but eventually they’ll slip up and get clipped by a few clones here and there, believe it or not a Mesmer deals a lot more damage than an Ele can heal through. From what little I played it was actually kind of easy, most D/D, they have to charge you to deal any damage, fall back behind your line of clones and blow em up when they get close enough, no amount of vit/tough will save you from that. I’m sorry but no profession should be like a Dungeon Boss, to be in possession of a frequent dodge or die attack, and the two classes that come to mind are Mesmer’s and Thieves. The warrior tries to, but is a LOT harder to do. To those saying Mesmer is difficult to play I urge you to try out warrior…

Warrior?
What’s that?

I think the nesmer more so than any other class with the possible exception of thief requires you to know exactly what weapons, skill, and utilities they used as you fight them.

That said, once you understand it all, dodge roll is all that’s required keep it competitive.

Dolan.3071:

I’ll agree that mesmers don’t hold points too well, but they’ll kitten well annihilate the person trying to. Guardians and Ele’s are hardly OP, take your own advice and play them (as I did with Mesmer to justify my claim.) Most Ele’s run a soft hitting bunker build, the rapid chain of attacks make them prone to confusion, whilst the condition removal is quite good, they will always hit themselves at least 2-3 times before cleansing. Running shatter? They’ll never do enough damage to you in the short encounters that they catch you, it may take time but eventually they’ll slip up and get clipped by a few clones here and there, believe it or not a Mesmer deals a lot more damage than an Ele can heal through. From what little I played it was actually kind of easy, most D/D, they have to charge you to deal any damage, fall back behind your line of clones and blow em up when they get close enough, no amount of vit/tough will save you from that. I’m sorry but no profession should be like a Dungeon Boss, to be in possession of a frequent dodge or die attack, and the two classes that come to mind are Mesmer’s and Thieves. The warrior tries to, but is a LOT harder to do. To those saying Mesmer is difficult to play I urge you to try out warrior…

Warrior needs love… But if you really think that ele’s cant hit hard in the bunker build… Then you know jack about ele’s here is a little combo for you (0/10/0/30/30 build) ring of fire+ earth+ dodge roll inside ring+ earthquake+ churning earth+armor of earth and shocking aura=6-7k churning earth IN a bunker build… if the person has moved outside the ring of churning earth use lightning flash… That combo amounts to at least 16 stacks of might plus the minor trait with bonus damage for each boon on you… I am sorry but having played an ele and learning from the best ele in my guild… When it comes to damage… They are kitten good.

wow so this is your personal hate thread against mesmers?

1 mesmers are no 1 button spamming class and certainly not easy to play.If u get killed by a mesmer very fast then u should know that the play is a great player and certainly not a noob spamming stuff!!!!

2 i play wvw EVERY day vs massive zergs EVERY day and I seetons of guardians, wayyyyyyyyyyy more thieves and a ton of necro and lately a lot of engineers! I dont see as many mesmers anymore …apart form my guild XD

3 u mention prts ad eveades? Ok yeah there are clones….u pick the mesmer that is backing off , we have decoy that last like 3s for invis if we use staff we can phase retreat, but we are slow, we cannot run away or jump or go invul or stealth away. there is blink but has a big cooldown…thieves and almost most of the other classesare wayyyyyyy better at running away or evade!

4 double the dmg?!?!? u reallly have absolutely NO clue about mesmers!! have u seen heartseeker? or kill shot or 100blades or any ther classes dmg? it is half of what we deal! dps on memers is lower compared to most of he classes

so instead of posting a hate thread because u fail to be able to fight a mesmer, go ahead and play all the classes first.I bet u money as a mesmer u would get killed constantly because we have extreem cooldowns and u would spam all buttons and when u have nothing left u get killed!Mesmers need skill and are wayy slower than the other classes. Our autoattacks are nothing(take a look at thieves autoattack..erm ouch….)We have pretty much only 1 condition that we can use our elite skills have the longest cooldowns and dont deal dmg directly. Please play a mesmer efore u vent here and learn about the class!We dont need to be nerfed to the ground we are fine as we are!

selan.8354:

wow so this is your personal hate thread against mesmers?

1 mesmers are no 1 button spamming class and certainly not easy to play.If u get killed by a mesmer very fast then u should know that the play is a great player and certainly not a noob spamming stuff!!!!

2 i play wvw EVERY day vs massive zergs EVERY day and I seetons of guardians, wayyyyyyyyyyy more thieves and a ton of necro and lately a lot of engineers! I dont see as many mesmers anymore …apart form my guild XD

3 u mention prts ad eveades? Ok yeah there are clones….u pick the mesmer that is backing off , we have decoy that last like 3s for invis if we use staff we can phase retreat, but we are slow, we cannot run away or jump or go invul or stealth away. there is blink but has a big cooldown…thieves and almost most of the other classesare wayyyyyyy better at running away or evade!

4 double the dmg?!?!? u reallly have absolutely NO clue about mesmers!! have u seen heartseeker? or kill shot or 100blades or any ther classes dmg? it is half of what we deal! dps on memers is lower compared to most of he classes

so instead of posting a hate thread because u fail to be able to fight a mesmer, go ahead and play all the classes first.I bet u money as a mesmer u would get killed constantly because we have extreem cooldowns and u would spam all buttons and when u have nothing left u get killed!Mesmers need skill and are wayy slower than the other classes. Our autoattacks are nothing(take a look at thieves autoattack..erm ouch….)We have pretty much only 1 condition that we can use our elite skills have the longest cooldowns and dont deal dmg directly. Please play a mesmer efore u vent here and learn about the class!We dont need to be nerfed to the ground we are fine as we are!

dude he played a warrior for awhile and mesmer are strong against warriors. He is kidda right, a shatter mesmer is not that hard to play.

However, d/d ele is the strongest class for pvp. Dolen plays a d/d ele, so….. I guess he has inbred Mesmer hate that counter his d/d ele

loseridoit.2756:

selan.8354:

wow so this is your personal hate thread against mesmers?

1 mesmers are no 1 button spamming class and certainly not easy to play.If u get killed by a mesmer very fast then u should know that the play is a great player and certainly not a noob spamming stuff!!!!

2 i play wvw EVERY day vs massive zergs EVERY day and I seetons of guardians, wayyyyyyyyyyy more thieves and a ton of necro and lately a lot of engineers! I dont see as many mesmers anymore …apart form my guild XD

3 u mention prts ad eveades? Ok yeah there are clones….u pick the mesmer that is backing off , we have decoy that last like 3s for invis if we use staff we can phase retreat, but we are slow, we cannot run away or jump or go invul or stealth away. there is blink but has a big cooldown…thieves and almost most of the other classesare wayyyyyyy better at running away or evade!

4 double the dmg?!?!? u reallly have absolutely NO clue about mesmers!! have u seen heartseeker? or kill shot or 100blades or any ther classes dmg? it is half of what we deal! dps on memers is lower compared to most of he classes

so instead of posting a hate thread because u fail to be able to fight a mesmer, go ahead and play all the classes first.I bet u money as a mesmer u would get killed constantly because we have extreem cooldowns and u would spam all buttons and when u have nothing left u get killed!Mesmers need skill and are wayy slower than the other classes. Our autoattacks are nothing(take a look at thieves autoattack..erm ouch….)We have pretty much only 1 condition that we can use our elite skills have the longest cooldowns and dont deal dmg directly. Please play a mesmer efore u vent here and learn about the class!We dont need to be nerfed to the ground we are fine as we are!

dude he played a warrior for awhile and mesmer are strong against warriors. He is kidda right, a shatter mesmer is not that hard to play.

However, d/d ele is the strongest class for pvp. Dolen plays a d/d ele, so….. I guess he has inbred Mesmer hate that counter his d/d ele

i play a hammer warrior too and gotta say it amazing how many hits i can take, but i think warriors need a lot of love a d/d ele is hard to deal with but at least with my glam i have a way to compete against all those heals and stuns. i dont like the shatter uild..its not for me…..
erm im a girl btw XD

It’s definitely coming Mesmers and thieves are simply higher on the curve than other classes in WvW, its more to do with their survivability and escape coupled with crazy burst damage(CnD/Backstab → Shatter) and mobility in the case of thieves.

You cant put a price on the ability to stealth or have a player waste time killing clones the fact you are generally avoiding damage and not just taking it in the face and relying on toughness/vit as other classes do is worth so so so much more than the extra couple points of vit/tough they are packing.

Id expect to see all big burst damage get a nerf at some point, no-one likes to have some lag then after a second or so end up in a downed state and have to scroll up the combat log to find out wtf just happened, this is not a ‘fun’ mechanic and occurs mostly from Mesmer shatter, Thief CnD/Backstab, Warrior Killshot/100 blades.

It was about time, with all the baddies facerolling since the release.

selan.8354:

loseridoit.2756:

selan.8354:

wow so this is your personal hate thread against mesmers?

1 mesmers are no 1 button spamming class and certainly not easy to play.If u get killed by a mesmer very fast then u should know that the play is a great player and certainly not a noob spamming stuff!!!!

2 i play wvw EVERY day vs massive zergs EVERY day and I seetons of guardians, wayyyyyyyyyyy more thieves and a ton of necro and lately a lot of engineers! I dont see as many mesmers anymore …apart form my guild XD

3 u mention prts ad eveades? Ok yeah there are clones….u pick the mesmer that is backing off , we have decoy that last like 3s for invis if we use staff we can phase retreat, but we are slow, we cannot run away or jump or go invul or stealth away. there is blink but has a big cooldown…thieves and almost most of the other classesare wayyyyyyy better at running away or evade!

4 double the dmg?!?!? u reallly have absolutely NO clue about mesmers!! have u seen heartseeker? or kill shot or 100blades or any ther classes dmg? it is half of what we deal! dps on memers is lower compared to most of he classes

so instead of posting a hate thread because u fail to be able to fight a mesmer, go ahead and play all the classes first.I bet u money as a mesmer u would get killed constantly because we have extreem cooldowns and u would spam all buttons and when u have nothing left u get killed!Mesmers need skill and are wayy slower than the other classes. Our autoattacks are nothing(take a look at thieves autoattack..erm ouch….)We have pretty much only 1 condition that we can use our elite skills have the longest cooldowns and dont deal dmg directly. Please play a mesmer efore u vent here and learn about the class!We dont need to be nerfed to the ground we are fine as we are!

dude he played a warrior for awhile and mesmer are strong against warriors. He is kidda right, a shatter mesmer is not that hard to play.

However, d/d ele is the strongest class for pvp. Dolen plays a d/d ele, so….. I guess he has inbred Mesmer hate that counter his d/d ele

i play a hammer warrior too and gotta say it amazing how many hits i can take, but i think warriors need a lot of love a d/d ele is hard to deal with but at least with my glam i have a way to compete against all those heals and stuns. i dont like the shatter uild..its not for me…..
erm im a girl btw XD

i am not refering to you. I mean the op.

Dolan.3071:

If you really think Mesmers are well balanced, then I ask you to take a look out in WvW, and ask yourself why almost everyone is a Mesmer (or Thief I suppose, the principle is the same.)

What server do you play on? I ask because as of lately I am seeing less and less Mesmers in Tier 1 than ever before. Guardians are by far the most common class followerd by Thieves. I honestly see more Rangers in WvW than Mesmers…and Rangers are the ones who needs the most love from ANet to be more competitive in WvW.

It’s coming. The inevitable Opening Poster nerf is coming. The people are crying for justice and their pleas will be answered in one swift, decisive blow. I don’t know how, I don’t know when, but the time of the OP who dispenses unfounded slander against the noble, perfectly balanced Mesmer class will soon be over, and WvW/sPvP alike will rejoice. My only wish is that this attempt at rebuking the ignorance and unproductive ranting of the Opening Poster is over-done, and forum trolls everywhere are nerfed into the ground, transformed into walking bags of shame. Such should be the punishment for taking advantage of a forum that allows pointless QQ posters from other classes to waste the time and energy of the wonderful, difficult-to-play-right, applicable and fun, not at all over-powered Mesmers on their lovely forum. Amen.

Entropy.4732:

It’s coming. The inevitable Opening Poster nerf is coming. The people are crying for justice and their pleas will be answered in one swift, decisive blow. I don’t know how, I don’t know when, but the time of the OP who dispenses unfounded slander against the noble, perfectly balanced Mesmer class will soon be over, and WvW/sPvP alike will rejoice. My only wish is that this attempt at rebuking the ignorance and unproductive ranting of the Opening Poster is over-done, and forum trolls everywhere are nerfed into the ground, transformed into walking bags of shame. Such should be the punishment for taking advantage of a forum that allows pointless QQ posters from other classes to waste the time and energy of the wonderful, difficult-to-play-right, applicable and fun, not at all over-powered Mesmers on their lovely forum. Amen.

Nah bro, op is op. Can play all classes and know all balance issues without ever having played them. Gosh! You’re just jealous you’re as op as op.

Now Memsers know what its like to be in a Thief shoes but the thing about Memser is that you don’t need to get in mele range or behind a foe to get extreme damage off I think thats the main problem plus they got clones to make it harder to pin them down even if only does take a second or two to figure out which is the real one a second is all it really takes

Demented Lemur.7861:

Now Memsers know what its like to be in a Thief shoes but the thing about Memser is that you don’t need to get in mele range or behind a foe to get extreme damage off I think thats the main problem plus they got clones to make it harder to pin them down even if only does take a second or two to figure out which is the real one a second is all it really takes

I don’t get it. How have we suddenly learned how to be a thief and do 13k in one hit. The only time I can do 13k in one hit is when I have a Warlock on a target that has almost every condition.

@OP, just because you were pubstomping in sPvP doesn’t mean anything. You can use that argument against any class because sPvP hotjoin is silly mindless killing.

Back to the arguments at hand, sure, in WvW I’m able to kill people without ever having to use an actual attack, but those people are silly to engage me so far away from allies without understanding my class. Sure, I don’t know every class 100%, but I know enough about every class to be able to tackle any class in WvW.

Although I do admit that my current build (Phantasm) is ridiculously strong, it also has a weakness. I can’t target that many players and so having allies will help you win. If there are 2 enemies, I can focus one down, then leave a Phantasm on him while I down the other player. If there are 3+ players, I’m usually dead, or if one of the 2 players on me is a Ranger, I can’t handle the damages. If it’s just 1v1 with a Ranger, I should be fine.

They also don’t do thief damage, are incredibly slow, have terrible condition removal, and fall over dead once you can spot the real one and dodge roll occationally.

I’ve played both extensively and mesmer is rocket science compared to thief.

I’ve played mesmer since launch and recently I’ve tried thief, let me tell you something and you can quote me on this.

“Thief takes 90% less effort to kill anybody”

Thieves are easy tier to play. I originally made one because the idea of going invisible in WvW seemed really cool, turned out I was only the millionth person to think of this. On a side note, when trying to dress it up, t3 human armour grabbed my attention, 100g later and congratulations, I have a thief that looks exactly like everyone else’s.

Back to the original topic, I play t2 WvW, and at least half of the TC’s and FA’s I see are Mesmers. As a Kain I’m disappointed by the sheer number of thieves we have, but it’s more of a trade off considering the lack of mesmers. Eh, I personally wouldn’t mind seeing the stealth and clone dynamic replaced with a less overpowered one, such as disguising yourself as enemy players. I know it’ll never happen but I can always hope.

The clones aren’t the real problem. What is difficult though, is countering everything a mesmer can do.

- Phantasm: 3-6k damage. To avoid or not to?
- Sword 3: To avoid or not to?
- Blurred Frenzy Mind Wrack Combo
- (Maybe Mirror Images and Cry in there)
- Shatter combo is over, back off and go into staff evade mode with phase retreat
- Drop a Chaos Storm, swap weapons and here we go again

That’s what a shatter mesmer does and it’s extremely hard to counter if it’s played well. Even on my bunker ele, I can die to a burst like that if I’m not prepared. A thief might be able to backstab for 15k (happened on my glass mesmer) but a mesmer can do amazing spike damage in 3 seconds as well.

I am only going to comment on the person who said Shatter Cats are easy to play. WHAT? Yes, I agree it is easy to make clones fast and super easy to hit F1. You know what else is easy? Dodging that first F1 then the (more than likely) fragile shatter Mesmer can be owned. GOOD shatter cats like Osicat and a few people on my server are rare and to play like them is to be of an epic level of awesome.

That’s all.

Hexxen.7216:

I am only going to comment on the person who said Shatter Cats are easy to play. WHAT? Yes, I agree it is easy to make clones fast and super easy to hit F1. You know what else is easy? Dodging that first F1 then the (more than likely) fragile shatter Mesmer can be owned. GOOD shatter cats like Osicat and a few people on my server are rare and to play like them is to be of an epic level of awesome.

That’s all.

In comparison to other memser builds, shatter build are easier to manage.

Dolan.3071:

I’ll agree that mesmers don’t hold points too well, but they’ll kitten well annihilate the person trying to. Guardians and Ele’s are hardly OP, take your own advice and play them (as I did with Mesmer to justify my claim.) Most Ele’s run a soft hitting bunker build, the rapid chain of attacks make them prone to confusion, whilst the condition removal is quite good, they will always hit themselves at least 2-3 times before cleansing. Running shatter? They’ll never do enough damage to you in the short encounters that they catch you, it may take time but eventually they’ll slip up and get clipped by a few clones here and there, believe it or not a Mesmer deals a lot more damage than an Ele can heal through. From what little I played it was actually kind of easy, most D/D, they have to charge you to deal any damage, fall back behind your line of clones and blow em up when they get close enough, no amount of vit/tough will save you from that. I’m sorry but no profession should be like a Dungeon Boss, to be in possession of a frequent dodge or die attack, and the two classes that come to mind are Mesmer’s and Thieves. The warrior tries to, but is a LOT harder to do. To those saying Mesmer is difficult to play I urge you to try out warrior…

The funny thing is.. I play a warrior AND mesmer in spvp because they are so different. And because mesmer was the first class I made and I play since beta weekends, I know their mechanics and animations very well. So I can beat an average mesmer with my warrior. Yes. With a WARRIOR. The one class that is considered the most UP class in spvp, I can kill a mesmer and thieves with it. Especially thieves. L2 kitten ue

Oh it’s Monday again, so Dolan has to post another “Inevitable Mesmer Nerf”-thread already? kitten back to the office.

loseridoit.2756:

Hexxen.7216:

I am only going to comment on the person who said Shatter Cats are easy to play. WHAT? Yes, I agree it is easy to make clones fast and super easy to hit F1. You know what else is easy? Dodging that first F1 then the (more than likely) fragile shatter Mesmer can be owned. GOOD shatter cats like Osicat and a few people on my server are rare and to play like them is to be of an epic level of awesome.

That’s all.

In comparison to other memser builds, shatter build are easier to manage.

Shatter builds are more active than other Mesmer builds… Legion build is summon phantasms and sit back and watch… Immortal build relies on one shatter mainly and the rest of the time staying in range of regen and watching dat defender to see if he is close to dying… Shatter builds tho are by far more active than any other build in this game honestly.

Come on. Stop trolling every mondays …

Profano.9514:

Come on. Stop trolling every mondays …

I see you only play a Mesmer. Or only play a Mesmer regularly enough to put it in your signature. How cute.

Oh, now because i have a mesmer, i can’t answer? Very funny.

1) There are more guardians and ele than mesmers in WvW
2) Ele do more ranged damage
3) Warriors do more melee damage

Nice try, you can troll better.

OP plays a warrior… every other class is too OP for him in PvP…

Idk, I think op might be right. I mean, if mesmers really were not overpowered, then it would mean that all the people complaining about them would have to be complete noobs, and we all know that definitely isn’t the case…

The only inevitable ends I see for the Mesmer, assuming reasonable changes, are:

1) Toning down of the Trait Illusionary Persona. Most if Shatter’s potency comes from the multitude of benefits it applies. Base Shatter is fine if not in need of a buff.

2) Changes to traits to get rid of some of the deadwood and give us more build variety.

3) Fixing the Greatsword Beam to not hit every object within 1,200 units of you. Though it certainly makes CoF p1 runs easy :P