Guild Wars 2

mesmer with berserker amulet and still realise u can’t down anybody without bombarding them with kittenloads of clones and phantasms till they kitten up really shows how hopless a-net is. Man I already said that i despise A-net for what they did to thieves. But man this is terrible. Man abso kittening lutely terrible.

I used to think that mesmers could still burst and that mesmer complaints were a bit exagarated. but man A-net this is terrible. To think that u can just throw builds that were consider viable sometimes even meta right out of the window without even looking back’’ just to stir up the meta.’’

so many builds get thier health back so quickly or have so many blocks invulnerabilties that it’s akin to you just beating up some immortal kittener over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. till thier curse wears off or the sun shines and those vampires have to go back to thier coffins readying themselvs for the next beatdown. And the kittened up thing is, that i’m only exaggerating a little bit. that makes this kitten so kittened up.

man A-net should really stop ’’interfering’’ with the kitten meta. It just kittens up kitten even more. just provide an ample amount of build options and let the meta pan it self out, Sure some builds will not be as viable anymore but to have them completely removed limiting it only to a few is terrible. ideally it should be have a few meta builds and an ample amount of semi viable builds u can use and rewards skill, the Lucky ones can use those to compete with the current meta. But man this is terrible.

Finally somone who understands. Sometimes you just gotta get in our shoes.
To see how useless it is. They want to destroy the class “Shift meta” in their own words.

Nice to see such feedback from other class players.

Extra Mirror Blade bounce would be a good start to have back.

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

mesmer with berserker amulet and still realise u can’t down anybody without bombarding them with kittenloads of clones and phantasms till they kitten up really shows how hopless a-net is. Man I already said that i despise A-net for what they did to thieves. But man this is terrible. Man abso kittening lutely terrible.

You are doing it wrong. Domination with daze-stun trait, illusions with greatsword might granting. Sword 3, dodge to close distance and clone, shield 5, as the cast is happening for S5 hit F5 and swap to greatsword as it finishes casting. GS2, F3 for secondary stun and interrupt, GS3, GS2, GS3, GS4 (manually end continuum split if you need to) dodge back F1 and stomp. Additional gs4 before CS ends if you are nailing the combo. You can also work in Gravity Wells in there if you need to, or have the opportunity to wreck more than one.

DanielHarvey.7320:

Xanctus The Dragonslayer.2318:

mesmer with berserker amulet and still realise u can’t down anybody without bombarding them with kittenloads of clones and phantasms till they kitten up really shows how hopless a-net is. Man I already said that i despise A-net for what they did to thieves. But man this is terrible. Man abso kittening lutely terrible.

You are doing it wrong. Domination with daze-stun trait, illusions with greatsword might granting. Sword 3, dodge to close distance and clone, shield 5, as the cast is happening for S5 hit F5 and swap to greatsword as it finishes casting. GS2, F3 for secondary stun and interrupt, GS3, GS2, GS3, GS4 (manually end continuum split if you need to) dodge back F1 and stomp. Additional gs4 before CS ends if you are nailing the combo. You can also work in Gravity Wells in there if you need to, or have the opportunity to wreck more than one.

Is this optimal rotation and facoring in how other classes can potentially shut down this rotation, or stall long enough to wait for backup from thief or another class with high mobility? B

Curunen.8729:

Nice to see such feedback from other class players.

Extra Mirror Blade bounce would be a good start to have back.

I know right! I still don’t get why they nerfed it in the first place.
If I remember right, it was during the mantra lockdown meta, where mantra loaded into background and Anet took thousands of detour, nerfing everything in its path, without tackling the real problem.
And of course, when they finally jumped at mantras, removing the background recharge, there’s no way for them to give back our previous Mblade…
Feels like they refuse to admit their mistake in the first place, which is fine and all if they go at balance carefully, but they don’t and it leads to true horrors that we have to deal with for weeks or even months at a time because they are also slower than snails.

@TheLastNobody That’s your optimal rotation for blowing anything up. You can even do what I do and run the sigil that gives vigor and quickness to wrap all this up in about 3 seconds absolute tops. And that’s including changing that rotation mid combo. The thing is you are probably not doing it as fast as it can go. You should be doing things like GS2>F3>GS3>GS4+Dodge>Weapon Swap>Sword3+F1 just routinely, to throw out huge damage without wasting cooldowns. If you catch an enemy without stunbreak because you used this combo on them and they panicked at the F3 or dodge clone you can turn it into the F5 combo or wait the 8 seconds for it to be ready to go and hit the full F5 Combo on them. If you manage to land the Sword 3 and use it to immobilize them they are going to have to pop something major almost instantly or they will be locked down for your entire combo, which includes up to 2 dazes, minimum 3 blinds, 3 1 second stuns that apply separately (basically only teleporting stunbreaks counter that) and 100-0 damage on any class.

Curunen.8729:

Nice to see such feedback from other class players.

Extra Mirror Blade bounce would be a good start to have back.

Yeah, it took me about 0,5 seconds after the mirror blade nerf to predict how shatter mesmer would turn out to be. I told people all the time that it isn’t as good as they think- obviously people continued to QQ and not understanding the game. I haven’t played now for 2+ months, had a good run, but it eventually just got on my nerves too much. I duelled people in arenas without elite (because of moa), without 3rd utility (because of portal) and without continuum shift. Every. Single. Time. I won they still complained about mesmer being overpowered. This was shortly after HoT.

Flash forward 3 months. And well, yeah.

DH is failing to point out that it’s very easy to avoid and/or disrupt that rotation, and then the Mesmer is gonna get ripped to shreds by various professions/builds whose “rotations” consist of 1-2 buttons -mashed at random- producing twice the result, with a fraction of the CD, and with an order of magnitude more sustain then the Power Shatter Mesmer has.

Here’s my pro tip to an straightforward burst setup

Get into combat

Signit of fury
F2
Signit of might
F1

fire away

F1 some more

such and so.

It’s quick, it’s effective, it has 1500 range, and it can’t be blocked XD.

You can’t kill anything right now because right now everything is a tank. It’s the reason the thief absolutely sucks in the current meta – it has no build alternatives to dealing high damage, so it subsequently dies to pretty much everything because nothing else dies.

With changes to amulet stats, and a squishier PvP format in general after the incoming changes, going full-shatter will be much more rewarding. Don’t believe me? Play WvW, where offensive stats actually mean something (which is what they’re trying to make sPvP reflect better). A mesmer can pretty much burst down anything except for a sentinel war during Rampage. Mind Wrack regularly hits over 5-6k per clone against squishier targets.

A lot of sPvP mesmers are singing doom and gloom over the nerfs without realizing that the entire format is going to be moving to targets with less sustain and innate defense. This will likely buff shatter mesmer substantially when people actually start dying. Yes, if you just shatter willy-nilly, it will probably get blocked or invuln’ed. Yes, I also think there are too many block and invuln effects in the game right now. That said, overcoming that hurdle is important, and the mesmer does offer a lot of potential point control and team mobility that will be absolutely essential to the changing way sPvP will be played.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Here’s my pro tip to an straightforward burst setup

Get into combat

Signit of fury
F2
Signit of might
F1

fire away

F1 some more

such and so.

It’s quick, it’s effective, it has 1500 range, and it can’t be blocked XD.

And unlike Mesmers, it’s getting significant boosts rather than fat nerfs!

It might be time for a new bandwagon, but I’m sure you won’t like that though Ross.

Although, that bandwagon would be a huge refreshment from the current meta, that’s for sure.

Windwalker.7421:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Here’s my pro tip to an straightforward burst setup

Get into combat

Signit of fury
F2
Signit of might
F1

fire away

F1 some more

such and so.

It’s quick, it’s effective, it has 1500 range, and it can’t be blocked XD.

And unlike Mesmers, it’s getting significant boosts rather than fat nerfs! :D

It might be time for a new bandwagon, but I’m sure you won’t like that though Ross. :(

Although, that bandwagon would be a huge refreshment from the current meta, that’s for sure.

Heh, warrior isnt for everyone, and amongst warriors rifle even less so XD

They brought Mesmer up to speed, just in time to introduce Chrono making Mesmer obsoloete, then even with Chrono the rest of the game took off some more and now Mes/Chrono will be in the back again eating everyone elses dust. Good times.

I agree with the OP. I recently went to Domination, Dueling with Chrono using zerk amulet because otherwise fights drag out too long, or it is impossible to down a scrapper, druid or ele. Only problem with the build is I can only remove a total 4 condi with a mantra. That’s it 4 condis in PvP where you are getting hit with multiple conditions every few secs. I would be happy if they spread some of the cleansing into other trait lines. Personally I think that is single thing that would drastically improve mes play.

Windwalker.7421:

DH is failing to point out that it’s very easy to avoid and/or disrupt that rotation, and then the Mesmer is gonna get ripped to shreds by various professions/builds whose “rotations” consist of 1-2 buttons -mashed at random- producing twice the result, with a fraction of the CD, and with an order of magnitude more sustain then the Power Shatter Mesmer has.

You don’t have a rotation in PvP. But if you catch someone with their pants down you can pull off a rotation. If you honestly play a rotation in PvP you are gonna just die, but there isn’t a good way to communicate every single possible change to a fight over text. Do you really need someone to give you personal coaching tips in game in order for their points to have validity?

DanielHarvey.7320:

You don’t have a rotation in PvP. But if you catch someone with their pants down you can pull off a rotation. If you honestly play a rotation in PvP you are gonna just die, but there isn’t a good way to communicate every single possible change to a fight over text. Do you really need someone to give you personal coaching tips in game in order for their points to have validity?

aaand with this post you rendered your previous posts invalid. Sure you can give some advises on combos like your first 2 posts, but you said it yourself – and I agree – you shouldn’t base your pvp on combos etc. The moment you become predictable is the moment you lose control over battle.

Almost every mesmer who pvp’d more than few weeks knows they need to dodge GS2 animations, hence many mesmer will force cancel it to bait dodges and reduce CD. Daze mantra may not show animation, but most of the time it’ll follow animations from other meaningful skill. Burst follow sword 3 etc is already predictable many years ago. Almost every player right now has a stability or available stun break/condi cleanse ready for your so called combo. Heck even warrior has 10s CD stun or pulsing stability available.

Be as obscure as possible but without losing the momentum of your offense and you’ll be catching opponent offguard easier.

That being said, the reason why most people consider current meta as “passive” is mainly because you can achieve much more efficient result with fewer buttons and less risk. There are so many ways to counter a typical shatter mesmer.

• Your daze will trigger DH trap that could ruin your combo, and DH still has a lot of area denial (heck even ToF destroy most clones that tries to cross it)
• Berserker has its AoE upgraded making them cleave easier, harder to stun, faster condi cleanse etc. Indeed they maybe easiest opponent right now but the upcoming buff will likely change that.
• Looking at how much viper revenant survive currently I think they have more than enough blocks and evades to survive old mesmer meta, and current condi pressure is too much for typical shatter mesmer to handle.
• Even without DS trait, ele’s combined effect of 40% damage reduction protection and auras (chill/shocking) will ruin your efficiency, giving them enough time to heal back up.
• Reaper’s current shroud melee range could destroy illusions before you utilize them (or recover LF even faster right now). Most reaper shout will almost give them maximum effect due to the amount of illusions we generate.
• A scrapper hammer 3 could evade most attacks and 4 could block most shatter damage. Plus stealth gyro will cause our shattering illusions to “self explode”
• A decent thief still has the mobility to kite typical shatter mesmer like the past 2 years, in fact it is a lot easier with daredevil.
• Druid healing, no explanation really needed. Along with their CCs you’ll find hard time to maximise your damage. Achieveable, but your success rate drop significantly in team fight.

This leaves everything but druid and mesmer to be vulnerable to mesmer, but we already covered that. And any failed attempt to burst down opponent means you give them enough time to recover completely, due to how terrible mesmer sustain damage are. So in all honestly, shatter mesmer isn’t bad, but they really can’t keep up the power creep with their old playstyle. I’ve been playing shatter mesmer for a long time and I get “Really? Shatter mesmer? Is this 2/3 years ago?” from opponent and allies before and after June 23rd Patch and HoT release. I play tempest and reapers a lot nowadays and I find myself secretly cheering for shatter mesmers when I encounter them, while healing myself back up completely between their bursts.

Power shatter sucks against DHs. Their traps kill all your phants and clones instantly including your ileap gap closer, before they can get to them. Without stability you don’t have a chance. They can out dps you ranged too. They should have removed the daze from traps rather than just reduce it from 1sec to 0.5sec.

Just remember Zerk ammy, Scholar Runes.

If there is a DH just spam clones and auto attacks til you can murder it.

Never go over a point if you aren’t double dodging or invuln.

Moa as many DSs as possible.

Start with Portal on far when possible.

Do not res without Distortion.

Use Torch not Shield.

If your team is losing a point move QUICKLY to a free point (leave portal where you lost the teamfight if you’re retreating or keep portal to place on their’s if you’re decapping).

The trick is to remember your team mates probably won’t stomp so even if you down 2 and leave them with a team mate scream “STOMP!!!” as you leave cause otherwise both will get res’d by something.

Also I’m pretty sure Quickness kittens up stomps.. A lot.. (if you miss it at the start or end it goes awful)

Also they will spam the kitten out of you, don’t be afraid to chain your stealths and let the iZerker steal their dodges.

Now is your chance! EXTERMINATE!