Guild Wars 2

For a while you had to be facing the enemy to steal/send boons/conditions and if you canceled the skill it would go on full cool down. but until recently they finally fixed it so you can now send immobilize back even if they are behind you. and if you cancel the skill by dodging/casting another skill you just have to wait 5 seconds.

I’m pretty sure this was fixed quite a long time ago. I could be wrong though.

No it was’nt.. twas broken that infamous last patch ive noticed.

I thought the real problem was that it randomly doesn’t work most of the time.

No it works awsome magic now.. like it was suppose to.. Try it on a warrior when he buff stability.. hihihi XD

Fay.2357:

I’m pretty sure this was fixed quite a long time ago. I could be wrong though.

I must assume that when you say “a long time ago” you must mean like a month ago, because that’s the last time I heavily used it, and it was not fixed as the OP describes.

I’ll be testing it out soon. Hopefully it really was changed to work efficiently.

eta- Now I’m just waiting for them to combine the Manipulation traits, and it’ll make AT a lot more viable!!

MailMail.6534:

Fay.2357:

I’m pretty sure this was fixed quite a long time ago. I could be wrong though.

I must assume that when you say “a long time ago” you must mean like a month ago, because that’s the last time I heavily used it, and it was not fixed as the OP describes.

I’ll be testing it out soon. Hopefully it really was changed to work efficiently.

Yeh, I tried using it ~3 weeks ago and I had to face the warrior to steal his SoR buffs. Annoying to remember to do this when I cast behind my back as mesmer and power necro often. I’ll test right now. Thanks OP for the thread!

not entirely sure its fully functioning yet.. Need to test it more. Any 1 can confirm?

Yes you can cast it from behind now. We couldn’t before, you needed LoS.

Krispera.5087:

Yes you can cast it from behind now. We couldn’t before, you needed LoS.

Really? Nice!

Bye bye mantra of resolve.

I’ve never has an issue with this, always worked for me.

sephiroth.4217:

I’ve never has an issue with this, always worked for me.

There was a time (assuming its changed) that you had to be facing your target for it to work. Failure would put AT on full CD.

Also, targeting was manual. So you couldn’t stand till and cast it hoping the skill would auto rotate your character to land the skill.

So yeah, AT has had a bad history.

Kraljevo.2801:

Krispera.5087:

Yes you can cast it from behind now. We couldn’t before, you needed LoS.

Really? Nice!

Bye bye mantra of resolve.

Even assuming it works perfectly, it’s still drastically inferior to mantra of resolve as a condition removal.

Wonder if blind still screws it up…someone tests this as I am cbfed to care about this utility.

Fay.2357:

Kraljevo.2801:

Krispera.5087:

Yes you can cast it from behind now. We couldn’t before, you needed LoS.

Really? Nice!

Bye bye mantra of resolve.

Even assuming it works perfectly, it’s still drastically inferior to mantra of resolve as a condition removal.

depends on the situation
if i manage to steal 10 might stacks , regen, protection from a necro while transfer him back some conditions my burst will be deadlier

messiah.1908:

Fay.2357:

Kraljevo.2801:

Krispera.5087:

Yes you can cast it from behind now. We couldn’t before, you needed LoS.

Really? Nice!

Bye bye mantra of resolve.

Even assuming it works perfectly, it’s still drastically inferior to mantra of resolve as a condition removal.

depends on the situation
if i manage to steal 10 might stacks , regen, protection from a necro while transfer him back some conditions my burst will be deadlier

The crux is “as a condition removal”. Mantra is 100% reliable. AT is not.

Yay they fixed it, to bad I’ll rarely run it… Cuz 45 sec 3 condis Hrmm :/

Btw I haven’t tried mimic or AT against the new stability application. Does it steal the refresh rate as well? Or does it just take the short duration with a couple stacks? And if it does steal will it remove the refreshing boon from the target?

messiah.1908:

Fay.2357:

Kraljevo.2801:

Krispera.5087:

Yes you can cast it from behind now. We couldn’t before, you needed LoS.

Really? Nice!

Bye bye mantra of resolve.

Even assuming it works perfectly, it’s still drastically inferior to mantra of resolve as a condition removal.

depends on the situation
if i manage to steal 10 might stacks , regen, protection from a necro while transfer him back some conditions my burst will be deadlier

Yea, but your burst will be away if your enemy gives you 8 stacks of confusion and 8 stacks of Torment, maybr some burning too? And then? No condi remove at all so bye bye

In my opinion for Condition Cleanse:
1st = Mantra of Recovery (w/ Mender’s Purity)

• Shortest cooldown by far and gives you a nice heal. Cleanses 2 conditions just like Mantra of Resolve.

2nd = Mantra of Resolve

• Shorter cooldown than other cleanse utilities and instantly cleanses 2 per use for a total of 4 per cooldown.

3rd = Null Field

• Can support allies, provide Etheral combos, strip enemy boons. Still a shadow of its former self from years back though :-(

4th = Arcane Thievery

• Can only handle 3 conditions (and 3 boons) and has the longest cooldown of all the options

Fay.2357:

Even assuming it works perfectly, it’s still drastically inferior to mantra of resolve as a condition removal. [/quote]

Your prolly right. But Dont see Arcane thievery as a condi remover. But more like a Boon strip with the bonus of exchange. Especially vs Warriors. I equip this if there’s no ranger on the opposite team.

But we have Shattered Concentration, MH Sword, Greatsword, Null Field, and Phantasmal Disenchanter for removing boons … all on shorter cooldowns (if a cooldown at all).

Sebrent.3625:

But we have Shattered Concentration, MH Sword, Greatsword, Null Field, and Phantasmal Disenchanter for removing boons … all on shorter cooldowns (if a cooldown at all).

There’s drawbacks and advantages to all those skills you listed. Also, if you aren’t running power shatter, your use of utilities become instantly much more variable. AT is not a great skill by far, but when functioning properly, I see niche uses where it is pretty effective.

Oh, it definitely has its niches … but they are niches. It isn’t a great ability to be competitive with imo.

Think on most condition builds. They have awesome re-application capabilities. They also are often quite good at cleansing conditions from their selves (example: look at Condi Ranger with SotF).

Due to the re-application, that long cooldown is going to be killer.
Due to the condi-build having their own ample cleansing capabilities, giving them back their conditions isn’t going to be very effective either.

MailMail.6534:

Sebrent.3625:

But we have Shattered Concentration, MH Sword, Greatsword, Null Field, and Phantasmal Disenchanter for removing boons … all on shorter cooldowns (if a cooldown at all).

There’s drawbacks and advantages to all those skills you listed. Also, if you aren’t running power shatter, your use of utilities become instantly much more variable. AT is not a great skill by far, but when functioning properly, I see niche uses where it is pretty effective.

Generally speaking, AT is a worse boon strip than almost every other option in every build. It’s also a worse condition removal than almost every other option in every build.

AT is only worth putting on your bar if you get mileage out of the actual steal…and that’s incredibly unreliable unless you know exactly what and how you’ll be fighting.

Last i used it i couldnt use it behind me. Also, it would be obstructed randomly (does it still?).

Fay.2357:

MailMail.6534:

Sebrent.3625:

But we have Shattered Concentration, MH Sword, Greatsword, Null Field, and Phantasmal Disenchanter for removing boons … all on shorter cooldowns (if a cooldown at all).

There’s drawbacks and advantages to all those skills you listed. Also, if you aren’t running power shatter, your use of utilities become instantly much more variable. AT is not a great skill by far, but when functioning properly, I see niche uses where it is pretty effective.

Generally speaking, AT is a worse boon strip than almost every other option in every build. It’s also a worse condition removal than almost every other option in every build.

AT is only worth putting on your bar if you get mileage out of the actual steal…and that’s incredibly unreliable unless you know exactly what and how you’ll be fighting.

I’m going to add to this that unless AT is double traited it has no place on the bar. Failing because your target happened to slip out of 900 range is just horrible. Being unable to reach your target because they’re fleeing even while still within the 1200 range effect of other ranges skills just makes the whole thing redundant.

Without the CD reduction, the skill should be wholly deleted from the game. AT is something you make work when you’re taking two traits to bulk up your Blink, and just so happen to benefit AT.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Fay.2357:

MailMail.6534:

Sebrent.3625:

But we have Shattered Concentration, MH Sword, Greatsword, Null Field, and Phantasmal Disenchanter for removing boons … all on shorter cooldowns (if a cooldown at all).

There’s drawbacks and advantages to all those skills you listed. Also, if you aren’t running power shatter, your use of utilities become instantly much more variable. AT is not a great skill by far, but when functioning properly, I see niche uses where it is pretty effective.

Generally speaking, AT is a worse boon strip than almost every other option in every build. It’s also a worse condition removal than almost every other option in every build.

AT is only worth putting on your bar if you get mileage out of the actual steal…and that’s incredibly unreliable unless you know exactly what and how you’ll be fighting.

I’m going to add to this that unless AT is double traited it has no place on the bar. Failing because your target happened to slip out of 900 range is just horrible. Being unable to reach your target because they’re fleeing even while still within the 1200 range effect of other ranges skills just makes the whole thing redundant.

Without the CD reduction, the skill should be wholly deleted from the game. AT is something you make work when you’re taking two traits to bulk up your Blink, and just so happen to benefit AT.

This is usually when I use it. lol