Guild Wars 2

Not even gonna describe & say why, but this has become ridiculous. None mesmer crying all over & getting what they want is pitiful. Balance needs to be balance all across, not just mesmers. Second of all, this game needs 3 mod balance. NOT just 1 size fits all balance. It don’t work.

Anet Dev needs to get there poopy together & stop the madness. You have run mesmer down to the ground. Almost time for some Overwatch…

The problem is not so much that they have run mesmer down to the ground. Actually, mesmer is still a strong PvP class, strong PvE class and strong WvW roaming class.

The problem is that the balance team has apparently stopped trying to get build diversity. So PvP mesmer is only viable playing condi. And many of us just don’t enjoy this playstyle or at least would like to change from time to time.

Before HoT, I used to alternate between power, condi, even some variants of each. Now the gap between meta and non-meta builds is insane.

Silverkey.2078:

The problem is not so much that they have run mesmer down to the ground. Actually, mesmer is still a strong PvP class, strong PvE class and strong WvW roaming class.

The problem is that the balance team has apparently stopped trying to get build diversity. So PvP mesmer is only viable playing condi. And many of us just don’t enjoy this playstyle or at least would like to change from time to time.

Before HoT, I used to alternate between power, condi, even some variants of each. Now the gap between meta and non-meta builds is insane.

If you are playing unranked/solo q/ranked non tourney = anything is viable. No one is forcing you to play condi meta.

You can still see people playing power shatter for unranked.

Right- gap between meta & not hits hard. But, What do you mean the problem is not from Anet running the mesmer down? It’s exactly that! & you just pointed it out. -Your saying exactly what i’m saying but in more details. Since HoT came out, almost one by one, Anet nerfed or killed every mesmer viable build to the ground. Build diversity but one is gone by Anet hand except for Condi build …we all know this. I’m not saying builds such as the bunker mesmer should not have bin deleted. Sure, i agree it was to much. But, what about all does other viable build that got destroyed? ( PU, mantra, power shatter, chrono Alacrity?..& ect…, all nerfed & destroyed.)

Vieux P.1238:

Right- gap between meta & not hits hard. But, What do you mean the problem is not from Anet running the mesmer down? It’s exactly that! & you just pointed it out. -Your saying exactly what i’m saying but in more details. Since HoT came out, almost one by one, Anet nerfed or killed every mesmer viable build to the ground. Build diversity but one is gone by Anet hand except for Condi build …we all know this. I’m not saying builds such as the bunker mesmer should not have bin deleted. Sure, i agree it was to much. But, what about all does other viable build that got destroyed? ( PU, mantra, power shatter, chrono Alacrity?..& ect…, all nerfed & destroyed.)

I’ll say this again, What do you play? Solo q? Unranked?

If yes, you can play anything you want, power shatter, CI Lockdown, PU, Whatever you want.

Geez, Anet stop nerfing Mesmer’s! Mesmer’s are already WAY too hard to play! If it got any harder I may ACTUALLY have to use my brain to play this minimalistically challenging game. Give us MORE buffs, actually give ALL the classes buffs but give us EVEN more, because power creep isn’t a problem, fast mindless hand holding gameplay is really what we like, and is a great push towards ESPORTS!

TLDR; Thinking, and getting good at a class is too hard, and we need more hand holding. Put us in a ridiculous “power creep face rolly” meta rather than a think of a well though out way to fix the overall state of player vs player combat in the game.

StickerHappy.8052:

Silverkey.2078:

The problem is not so much that they have run mesmer down to the ground. Actually, mesmer is still a strong PvP class, strong PvE class and strong WvW roaming class.

The problem is that the balance team has apparently stopped trying to get build diversity. So PvP mesmer is only viable playing condi. And many of us just don’t enjoy this playstyle or at least would like to change from time to time.

Before HoT, I used to alternate between power, condi, even some variants of each. Now the gap between meta and non-meta builds is insane.

If you are playing unranked/solo q/ranked non tourney = anything is viable. No one is forcing you to play condi meta.

You can still see people playing power shatter for unranked.

I agree with you yet only partly. Sure, you can play anything. To a large extent, you could play the most garbage build out there, as long as your rotate correctly, you will still beat a team of bad “meta” players.

I actually currently play different variants of power builds with berserker amulet, because I enjoy it more than the meta build.

However, I also see how inefficient I am. The matchmaking attempts to put you with decently similar level players, and thus, playing a non-meta build is putting you at a disadvantage. At some point, you will have tanked your MMR so hard you will be competitive again, but because you play players with much lower skills.

In the past, I felt that the gap between meta and non-meta was small enough that you could enjoy theory crafting and adjust the build to get a playstyle that suits you. Actually, to a large extent, the “meta” was not even relevant because in solo queue, you may have to adjust to your team comp significantly. Now the gap is so high that the meta is by far the best build you can play with your class almost regardless of your and your enemy team comps. SUPER BORING!

#MakeGw2GreatAgain

While I’m not a fan of the random misguided nerfs, sticker is right here. Exhibit a: the guy who got to legendary playing nothing but power shatter vanilla Mesmer.

Ultimately, any reasonably functioning build will work at most levels of play if you’re sufficiently good at it. However, if you’re already at your appropriate skill level matchmaking, you’ll do significantly worse than if you use a meta build.

StickerHappy.8052:

Vieux P.1238:

Right- gap between meta & not hits hard. But, What do you mean the problem is not from Anet running the mesmer down? It’s exactly that! & you just pointed it out. -Your saying exactly what i’m saying but in more details. Since HoT came out, almost one by one, Anet nerfed or killed every mesmer viable build to the ground. Build diversity but one is gone by Anet hand except for Condi build …we all know this. I’m not saying builds such as the bunker mesmer should not have bin deleted. Sure, i agree it was to much. But, what about all does other viable build that got destroyed? ( PU, mantra, power shatter, chrono Alacrity?..& ect…, all nerfed & destroyed.)

I’ll say this again, What do you play? Solo q? Unranked?

If yes, you can play anything you want, power shatter, CI Lockdown, PU, Whatever you want.

I play rank in season & unrank when not. In both i take time to test out new build compositions which all of them are playable to an extent. But no matter how good, you are, you are dead countered by other classes due to the awful multi nerfs mesmer suffered. Condi build with a descent amulet is the only build left. Like said before, no build diversity. & like i said, Anet kill them all.

Vieux P.1238:

Right- gap between meta & not hits hard. But, What do you mean the problem is not from Anet running the mesmer down? It’s exactly that! & you just pointed it out. -Your saying exactly what i’m saying but in more details. Since HoT came out, almost one by one, Anet nerfed or killed every mesmer viable build to the ground. Build diversity but one is gone by Anet hand except for Condi build …we all know this. I’m not saying builds such as the bunker mesmer should not have bin deleted. Sure, i agree it was to much. But, what about all does other viable build that got destroyed? ( PU, mantra, power shatter, chrono Alacrity?..& ect…, all nerfed & destroyed.)

So let’s assume we have somehow 3 great archetypes, meaning 3 types of builds that were meta at some point:

• power shatter (the most viable build for most of mesmer history, meta after june patch up to HoT)
• bunker chrono (season 1 meta)
• condi chrono (season 2 and 3 meta)

Bunker chrono is the only one I can agree with you. It was demolished by nerfs. Essentially, removing quickness rez + alacrity nerf would have been enough to put the build in a bad spot, but they had to reduce protection, resistance, blind etc… as well. So we ended up with a build with decent but not amazing survivability, and bad support (the main problem of bunker mesmer currently is the lack of support).

But when people complain about the lack of build diversity for mesmers, they seem to mostly mean power shatter.

Power shatter was made very strong with the june patch. From then, they got many nerfs, but those nerfs, while often misdirected, did not put mesmer out of the meta. What killed power shatter is power creep of HoT. The build died when all broken elite specs arrived. Some people try to stick to it after the expansion, since power shatter was actually buffed by chronomancer. But despite CS, despite strong alacrity, despite blur on precog, etc… power shatter could not rival the super broken elite specs of other classes.

So I won’t blame a-net for nerfing chronomancer. I will however blame a-net (and many in the community who support this) for not nerfing elite specs back to core levels, for letting those builds with insane sustained damage (which power shatter does not have) and absolutely insane survivability despite that (which power shatter definitely does not have) ruling gw2 PvP. Power shatter is high risk, high reward. How can we compare to all the very low risk, very high reward specs around?

Silverkey.2078:

Vieux P.1238:

Right- gap between meta & not hits hard. But, What do you mean the problem is not from Anet running the mesmer down? It’s exactly that! & you just pointed it out. -Your saying exactly what i’m saying but in more details. Since HoT came out, almost one by one, Anet nerfed or killed every mesmer viable build to the ground. Build diversity but one is gone by Anet hand except for Condi build …we all know this. I’m not saying builds such as the bunker mesmer should not have bin deleted. Sure, i agree it was to much. But, what about all does other viable build that got destroyed? ( PU, mantra, power shatter, chrono Alacrity?..& ect…, all nerfed & destroyed.)

So let’s assume we have somehow 3 great archetypes, meaning 3 types of builds that were meta at some point:

• power shatter (the most viable build for most of mesmer history, meta after june patch up to HoT)
• bunker chrono (season 1 meta)
• condi chrono (season 2 and 3 meta)

Bunker chrono is the only one I can agree with you. It was demolished by nerfs. Essentially, removing quickness rez + alacrity nerf would have been enough to put the build in a bad spot, but they had to reduce protection, resistance, blind etc… as well. So we ended up with a build with decent but not amazing survivability, and bad support (the main problem of bunker mesmer currently is the lack of support).

But when people complain about the lack of build diversity for mesmers, they seem to mostly mean power shatter.

Power shatter was made very strong with the june patch. From then, they got many nerfs, but those nerfs, while often misdirected, did not put mesmer out of the meta. What killed power shatter is power creep of HoT. The build died when all broken elite specs arrived. Some people try to stick to it after the expansion, since power shatter was actually buffed by chronomancer. But despite CS, despite strong alacrity, despite blur on precog, etc… power shatter could not rival the super broken elite specs of other classes.

So I won’t blame a-net for nerfing chronomancer. I will however blame a-net (and many in the community who support this) for not nerfing elite specs back to core levels, for letting those builds with insane sustained damage (which power shatter does not have) and absolutely insane survivability despite that (which power shatter definitely does not have) ruling gw2 PvP. Power shatter is high risk, high reward. How can we compare to all the very low risk, very high reward specs around?

Your whole point is good except Mesmer was the only class to take so many nerfs. They didn’t look at any other classes with this power creep and adjust, just Mesmer. That’s the problem.

Silverkey.2078:

Vieux P.1238:

Right- gap between meta & not hits hard. But, What do you mean the problem is not from Anet running the mesmer down? It’s exactly that! & you just pointed it out. -Your saying exactly what i’m saying but in more details. Since HoT came out, almost one by one, Anet nerfed or killed every mesmer viable build to the ground. Build diversity but one is gone by Anet hand except for Condi build …we all know this. I’m not saying builds such as the bunker mesmer should not have bin deleted. Sure, i agree it was to much. But, what about all does other viable build that got destroyed? ( PU, mantra, power shatter, chrono Alacrity?..& ect…, all nerfed & destroyed.)

So let’s assume we have somehow 3 great archetypes, meaning 3 types of builds that were meta at some point:

• power shatter (the most viable build for most of mesmer history, meta after june patch up to HoT)
• bunker chrono (season 1 meta)
• condi chrono (season 2 and 3 meta)

Bunker chrono is the only one I can agree with you. It was demolished by nerfs. Essentially, removing quickness rez + alacrity nerf would have been enough to put the build in a bad spot, but they had to reduce protection, resistance, blind etc… as well. So we ended up with a build with decent but not amazing survivability, and bad support (the main problem of bunker mesmer currently is the lack of support).

But when people complain about the lack of build diversity for mesmers, they seem to mostly mean power shatter.

Power shatter was made very strong with the june patch. From then, they got many nerfs, but those nerfs, while often misdirected, did not put mesmer out of the meta. What killed power shatter is power creep of HoT. The build died when all broken elite specs arrived. Some people try to stick to it after the expansion, since power shatter was actually buffed by chronomancer. But despite CS, despite strong alacrity, despite blur on precog, etc… power shatter could not rival the super broken elite specs of other classes.

So I won’t blame a-net for nerfing chronomancer. I will however blame a-net (and many in the community who support this) for not nerfing elite specs back to core levels, for letting those builds with insane sustained damage (which power shatter does not have) and absolutely insane survivability despite that (which power shatter definitely does not have) ruling gw2 PvP. Power shatter is high risk, high reward. How can we compare to all the very low risk, very high reward specs around?

Silverkey.2078, I dont agree at all with most of your points. Your point on lack of diversity is completely off field. Ppl knows when we say build diversity, we are talking about builds that actually works. META & NONE META. Cuz anyone can pull about 50 different build out of the hat. Problems is none of them works efficiently. & saying that ArenaNet is not at fault for the mesmer nerfs is kinda of an ignorant statement when patch after patch Anet has hachet mesmers.
-Power shatter has no humpff to it’s dps & lacks actual damage.
-No one plays Mantra no more cuz it has bin chopped to the point of unviability.
-PU in pvp has bin one of the first that got decapitated reducing it’s invi duration in half & removing it’s aegis advantage.
& i can keep on listing all the others nerfs we had such as Chrono & point out Anet hatchet hands on the mesmer.

We have only 1 condi build that’s viable. & that’s only if you can kite well. So plzz.. pretty plzz. Besides condi, list me all the Viable build mesmer has that actually works in spvp?

EU mesmers are stronger than NA.
This is why they butchered bunker for first final (after season1).
This is why they ninja nerf it now after patch (still some tweaks to come on Tuesaday).
It is US turn to win.

Anet didn’t learn that now EU beats US with same comp. Useless to nerf mesmers anymore.

denis.9487:

Your whole point is good except Mesmer was the only class to take so many nerfs. They didn’t look at any other classes with this power creep and adjust, just Mesmer. That’s the problem.

I think this may be mesmer-centric thinking. Chronomancer and Revenants were arguably the 2 OP-est classes after HoT. So they are the ones who got hit the most. Revenant got continuously nerfed since the expansion. They are still broken OP, but they almost only got nerfs. DH are probably even worse, since they got hit so hard that they are the single most useless class right now. Listen to the necro or engineer forum and they will tell you how “butchered” they have been by the last patch.

The problem imo is that a-net has reduced its goal to “at least one build works”. And from this point of view, chrono works, and most classes (except guardian) are deemed “viable” in pro league so they are happy (even if actually the class stacking rule is one of the main reason for that).

And our build diversity problem is actually true of all classes too.

So mesmers should stop feeling like they were the main victims, we are all in a bad position.

Now I will agree that the forums are very biased against mesmers. So mesmer alleged OP-ness is always blown out of proportion because low/medium-tier players just can’t handle mesmers. But so far, the truth is that since june patch, mesmers are meta in one way or another.

Vieux P.1238:

Silverkey.2078, I dont agree at all with most of your points. Your point on lack of diversity is completely off field. Ppl knows when we say build diversity, we are talking about builds that actually works. META & NONE META. Cuz anyone can pull about 50 different build out of the hat. Problems is none of them works efficiently. & saying that ArenaNet is not at fault for the mesmer nerfs is kinda of an ignorant statement when patch after patch Anet has hachet mesmers.

We agree and disagree at the same time here. I am saying that the nerfs we got never put us out of the meta. But I also say they were often misplaced. For example you mention the mantra nerfs. Technically the main mantra nerf was actually a bug fix, and I have been since that asking for a rework of the recharge functionality to make them less clunky. But technically, this nerf did remove mantras but not the power shatter archetype that it was a part of. What did remove power shatter is all elite specs and not a mesmer nerf.

We have only 1 condi build that’s viable. & that’s only if you can kite well. So plzz.. pretty plzz. Besides condi, list me all the Viable build mesmer has that actually works in spvp?

None, hence my comment about build diversity. You can play other things and make them sort of work against weaker opponents, but at equal skill, the gap between condi chrono and everything else is huge.

Kicast.1459:

EU mesmers are stronger than NA.
This is why they butchered bunker for first final (after season1).
This is why they ninja nerf it now after patch (still some tweaks to come on Tuesaday).
It is US turn to win.

Anet didn’t learn that now EU beats US with same comp. Useless to nerf mesmers anymore.

I find the measuring up EU constantly does vs US fascinating. Notice how in this particular instant US, and not NA was used.

EU has this “thing”, always having to measure themselves up with their perceived contrasting players in America. “We’re better” “We’re cooler” “We’re number 1!”

There’s some real issue there XD

What bugs me the most is the “double” nerfing that seems to be happening.

Nerf Moa… and remove Mercenary amulets

Nerf Alacrity.. then make quickness/slow no longer affect rez/stomping.

Meanwhile, other Elite’s are barely touched.

The POWERCREEP in this game has got be put in check! And it needs to happen fast and it needs to happen on EVERY PROFESSION. Not just one at a time.

SlimChance.6593:

What bugs me the most is the “double” nerfing that seems to be happening.

Nerf Moa… and remove Mercenary amulets

Nerf Alacrity.. then make quickness/slow no longer affect rez/stomping.

Meanwhile, other Elite’s are barely touched.

The POWERCREEP in this game has got be put in check! And it needs to happen fast and it needs to happen on EVERY PROFESSION. Not just one at a time.

Yeah!

Also, trains on time.

SlimChance.6593:

What bugs me the most is the “double” nerfing that seems to be happening.

Nerf Moa… and remove Mercenary amulets

Nerf Alacrity.. then make quickness/slow no longer affect rez/stomping.

Meanwhile, other Elite’s are barely touched.

The POWERCREEP in this game has got be put in check! And it needs to happen fast and it needs to happen on EVERY PROFESSION. Not just one at a time.

That’s just recent. Been like this since the last 4 years now. Nerf this, nerf that.. no other class can claim this much nerf in it’s life span. & ur right, Nerf should go all across the board.. not only mesmers.

Silverkey.2078:

So PvP mesmer is only viable playing condi

I’ll quote myself in response to this:

Crowley.8761:

I think some of you guys are reading far too many meta guides and doing too little testing.

How much damage do you think you put out if say, you run gs+s/s power with chrono traits and you got your gs phanta and sword phanta out, you land a swap into blurred frenzy while double shattering after additional phanta hits while your target is standing in well of calamity?

I found out today. Not disappointed. Add some fun use of ContiSplit on top of that and good times were had by all.

What do you think the outcome was?

Crowley.8761:

Silverkey.2078:

So PvP mesmer is only viable playing condi

I’ll quote myself in response to this:

Crowley.8761:

I think some of you guys are reading far too many meta guides and doing too little testing.

How much damage do you think you put out if say, you run gs+s/s power with chrono traits and you got your gs phanta and sword phanta out, you land a swap into blurred frenzy while double shattering after additional phanta hits while your target is standing in well of calamity?

I found out today. Not disappointed. Add some fun use of ContiSplit on top of that and good times were had by all.

What do you think the outcome was?

I’ll take ‘Things that only happen to target golems’ for 1200, Alex.

Fay.2357:

I’ll take ‘Things that only happen to target golems’ for 1200, Alex.

It’s actually not that difficult to set up, is it? You start off with GS, do your thing, phanta up, swap weps, phanta up, drop well and you’re ready to burst. 3-3-2-F1.

Then you can just wait for your new phantas to hit again while doing whatever needs to be done, be it healing, dodging, blink, stealth, whatever. I think the real skill gap comes when deciding the best time for a split – which I totally suck at.

If that combo is golem only for most people I don’t think the power build strength is the main problem…

Crowley.8761:

Fay.2357:

I’ll take ‘Things that only happen to target golems’ for 1200, Alex.

It’s actually not that difficult to set up, is it? You start off with GS, do your thing, phanta up, swap weps, phanta up, drop well and you’re ready to burst. 3-3-2-F1.

Then you can just wait for your new phantas to hit again while doing whatever needs to be done, be it healing, dodging, blink, stealth, whatever. I think the real skill gap comes when deciding the best time for a split – which I totally suck at.

If that combo is golem only for most people I don’t think the power build strength is the main problem…

That same burst with gs has been the staple from the beginning. Landing that combo that same old combo is probably the most predictable move. So one key press by the enemy and then your right we run around for 10 seconds doing nothing in power shatter.

Crowley.8761:

Fay.2357:

I’ll take ‘Things that only happen to target golems’ for 1200, Alex.

It’s actually not that difficult to set up, is it? You start off with GS, do your thing, phanta up, swap weps, phanta up, drop well and you’re ready to burst. 3-3-2-F1.

Then you can just wait for your new phantas to hit again while doing whatever needs to be done, be it healing, dodging, blink, stealth, whatever. I think the real skill gap comes when deciding the best time for a split – which I totally suck at.

If that combo is golem only for most people I don’t think the power build strength is the main problem…

Let’s say you try to burst another chrono that way. You set it up, you land the swap, and then they press 2. Oops, no burst. Or maybe they press 4. Oops, no burst. Or what if they dodge the swap? Oops, no burst.

What about against an engineer? You drop the phantasm, aaaand it’s dead from aoe and cleave. Then you try to burst aaaand they block it with hammer.

What about against a revenant? You land the swap and burst buuuut they popped glint heal and full healed instead. Or maybe they used crystal hibernation. Or maybe they just cleaved down the phantasms as they spawned with their strong autoattacks.

Any sort of burst relying on multiple steps all lining up properly into an instant of burst can be mitigated by short duration active defense used appropriately. Mesmer burst has the added bonus of being mitigated simply by strong aoe pressure or dodging the immobilize on the swap. Landing that whole combo requires an opponent that doesn’t take any offensive or defensive actions to stop you. While people like this exist, they’re essentially just target golems.

Fay.2357:

While people like this exist, they’re essentially just target golems.

Which really seems to be 1/2 the people you face in unranked, hence these stated experiences. If only these types of posts were able to take into account encounters vs good players at least most of the time.

skcamow.3527:

Fay.2357:

While people like this exist, they’re essentially just target golems.

Which really seems to be 1/2 the people you face in unranked, hence these stated experiences. If only these types of posts were able to take into account encounters vs good players at least most of the time.

When you start boiling down to these “non viable” builds, you have to be something extra special to make it work. Even then, fooling the same experienced player twice becomes an uphill battle in any given match. Once you step into the competitive arena, that’s when you learn playing anything aside from the best meta makes playing mesmer a frickin nightmare XD

Fay.2357:

Let’s say you try to burst another chrono that way. You set it up, you land the swap, and then they press 2. Oops, no burst. Or maybe they press 4. Oops, no burst. Or what if they dodge the swap? Oops, no burst.

What about against an engineer? You drop the phantasm, aaaand it’s dead from aoe and cleave. Then you try to burst aaaand they block it with hammer.

What about against a revenant? You land the swap and burst buuuut they popped glint heal and full healed instead. Or maybe they used crystal hibernation. Or maybe they just cleaved down the phantasms as they spawned with their strong autoattacks.

Any sort of burst relying on multiple steps all lining up properly into an instant of burst can be mitigated by short duration active defense used appropriately. Mesmer burst has the added bonus of being mitigated simply by strong aoe pressure or dodging the immobilize on the swap. Landing that whole combo requires an opponent that doesn’t take any offensive or defensive actions to stop you. While people like this exist, they’re essentially just target golems.

Yes, in Guild Wars 2 there are ways to avoid damage Should I list every cleanse and say “Oops no condi”?

I’m gathering that what you want is a build that works against everyone regardless of specc and is weak to nothing? Seems perfectly reasonable.

Crowley.8761:

Fay.2357:

Let’s say you try to burst another chrono that way. You set it up, you land the swap, and then they press 2. Oops, no burst. Or maybe they press 4. Oops, no burst. Or what if they dodge the swap? Oops, no burst.

What about against an engineer? You drop the phantasm, aaaand it’s dead from aoe and cleave. Then you try to burst aaaand they block it with hammer.

What about against a revenant? You land the swap and burst buuuut they popped glint heal and full healed instead. Or maybe they used crystal hibernation. Or maybe they just cleaved down the phantasms as they spawned with their strong autoattacks.

Any sort of burst relying on multiple steps all lining up properly into an instant of burst can be mitigated by short duration active defense used appropriately. Mesmer burst has the added bonus of being mitigated simply by strong aoe pressure or dodging the immobilize on the swap. Landing that whole combo requires an opponent that doesn’t take any offensive or defensive actions to stop you. While people like this exist, they’re essentially just target golems.

Yes, in Guild Wars 2 there are ways to avoid damage Should I list every cleanse and say “Oops no condi”?

I’m gathering that what you want is a build that works against everyone regardless of specc and is weak to nothing? Seems perfectly reasonable.

Please tell me you do actually know the difference in play styles between condi chrono and power shatter?

Levetty.1279:

Please tell me you do actually know the difference in play styles between condi chrono and power shatter?

Doesn’t really matter does it? This guy just proved that doing damage in GW2 is impossible. He already covered any kind of direct damage, I just wanted to add cleanse so we can establish that Mesmer cannot do any damage of any type to any players in high level pvp.

Crowley.8761:

Levetty.1279:

Please tell me you do actually know the difference in play styles between condi chrono and power shatter?

Doesn’t really matter does it? This guy just proved that doing damage in GW2 is impossible. He already covered any kind of direct damage, I just wanted to add cleanse so we can establish that Mesmer cannot do any damage of any type to any players in high level pvp.

A simple no would have sufficed.

Levetty.1279:

Crowley.8761:

Levetty.1279:

Please tell me you do actually know the difference in play styles between condi chrono and power shatter?

Doesn’t really matter does it? This guy just proved that doing damage in GW2 is impossible. He already covered any kind of direct damage, I just wanted to add cleanse so we can establish that Mesmer cannot do any damage of any type to any players in high level pvp.

A simple no would have sufficed.

Sigh… sometimes it’s nice to have something sweet after everything being so salty.

The point of Fay is simply that power shatter has 1 burst. That’s all. If you miss mind wrack you have no damage left.

On the other hand condi shatter can use every shatter for damage and recharge them all with the signet for another round, while always keeping max illusion count thanks to traits.

As always, the problem with power mesmer is the lack of sustained damage. We have one of the highest burst in the game. But this burst is highly telegraphed and with all passive procs, blocks/evades/invuln and innate tankiness, it does not suffice to pressure the enemy. Sadly our follow-up damage is ridiculously low.

Silverkey.2078:

The point of Fay is simply that power shatter has 1 burst. That’s all. If you miss mind wrack you have no damage left.

On the other hand condi shatter can use every shatter for damage and recharge them all with the signet for another round, while always keeping max illusion count thanks to traits.

As always, the problem with power mesmer is the lack of sustained damage. We have one of the highest burst in the game. But this burst is highly telegraphed and with all passive procs, blocks/evades/invuln and innate tankiness, it does not suffice to pressure the enemy. Sadly our follow-up damage is ridiculously low.

I agree missing mind wrack does hurt you, but it is in no way a one-trick pony like you’re describing. Phantas don’t go away after and the typical damage I see with sword/gs phanta + my own stuff is roughly 6-8k when they pop off their attacks. Hardly call that follow-up nothing, add to that you won’t have a cd issue with them because of trait respawn and you can keep them up constantly. GS KB adds good utility for preventing stomps, peel, interrupt and point def/decap – adds a lot to how kitten slippery and frustrating a mesmer is to fight.

I get the point of condi chronoshatter but that specc being strong doesn’t make everything else not viable. I don’t like it because I find it horribly boring, but I won’t deny that it’s good. I just think some people are throwing around “not viable” because they read that somewhere. But really, power works. It might take a lot more fiddling to be really succesful and yeah you do need your utils to avoid getting creamed and yes you can get screwed over badly if you are constantly looking to land one big combo – adapting to the situation instead of looking for a one size fit all approach that you can menorize and repeat at will.

Edit: Just adding that it’s perfectly fine to run this with pistol instead of sword offhand, the swordsman can be really annoying to get off considering all the ledges in the pvp map, and you get a stun/daze for multi in return for block/daze wave. It’s of course a tradeoff between the phantas in the sense that duelist most likely won’t get his full damage off, but the swordsman might get dodged/blocked. Duelist helps for peeling aegis for example.

Crowley.8761:

Silverkey.2078:

The point of Fay is simply that power shatter has 1 burst. That’s all. If you miss mind wrack you have no damage left.

On the other hand condi shatter can use every shatter for damage and recharge them all with the signet for another round, while always keeping max illusion count thanks to traits.

As always, the problem with power mesmer is the lack of sustained damage. We have one of the highest burst in the game. But this burst is highly telegraphed and with all passive procs, blocks/evades/invuln and innate tankiness, it does not suffice to pressure the enemy. Sadly our follow-up damage is ridiculously low.

I agree missing mind wrack does hurt you, but it is in no way a one-trick pony like you’re describing. Phantas don’t go away after and the typical damage I see with sword/gs phanta + my own stuff is roughly 6-8k when they pop off their attacks. Hardly call that follow-up nothing, add to that you won’t have a cd issue with them because of trait respawn and you can keep them up constantly. GS KB adds good utility for preventing stomps, peel, interrupt and point def/decap – adds a lot to how kitten slippery and frustrating a mesmer is to fight.

I get the point of condi chronoshatter but that specc being strong doesn’t make everything else not viable. I don’t like it because I find it horribly boring, but I won’t deny that it’s good. I just think some people are throwing around “not viable” because they read that somewhere. But really, power works. It might take a lot more fiddling to be really succesful and yeah you do need your utils to avoid getting creamed and yes you can get screwed over badly if you are constantly looking to land one big combo – adapting to the situation instead of looking for a one size fit all approach that you can menorize and repeat at will.

Phantasms go away after if your opponent is competent enough to cleave them down. They have basically no health, so it only takes one or two autoattacks to do.

If you’re so sure this works on players that aren’t imitating a target golem, feel free to make a video of you killing competent players with this convoluted combo that can be countered without any significant effort.

Fay.2357:

Phantasms go away after if your opponent is competent enough to cleave them down. They have basically no health, so it only takes one or two autoattacks to do.

If you’re so sure this works on players that aren’t imitating a target golem, feel free to make a video of you killing competent players with this convoluted combo that can be countered without any significant effort.

As I said it’s not about one combo itself, that is simply the potential.

And I’m sorry if I offend you by suggesting something else is possible to run, but it seems to me that we can definitely expect condi chrono to take a hit in the next balance update outside of just the amulet – maybe actually being open to alternatives will alleviate some of the frustration and anger that will follow what is essentially a necessary downtuning. Rather start exploring this now.

PS: Everyone says everyone in unranked is a target golem/noob etc, but they play unranked themselves as well… Strange.

Vieux P.1238:

This hole Mesmer Nerf is Stupid!

Whole. You just made yourself look real smart there.

Vieux P.1238:

Not even gonna describe & say why, but this has become ridiculous. None mesmer crying all over & getting what they want is pitiful. Balance needs to be balance all across, not just mesmers. Second of all, this game needs 3 mod balance. NOT just 1 size fits all balance. It don’t work.

Anet Dev needs to get there poopy together & stop the madness. You have run mesmer down to the ground. Almost time for some Overwatch…

Are you crying about mesmer not being over powered anymore? I don’t really understand what you’re doing there besides just crying. Condi PU mesmer is still strong, shatter mesmer is still strong.

Crowley.8761:

Fay.2357:

Phantasms go away after if your opponent is competent enough to cleave them down. They have basically no health, so it only takes one or two autoattacks to do.

If you’re so sure this works on players that aren’t imitating a target golem, feel free to make a video of you killing competent players with this convoluted combo that can be countered without any significant effort.

As I said it’s not about one combo itself, that is simply the potential.

And I’m sorry if I offend you by suggesting something else is possible to run, but it seems to me that we can definitely expect condi chrono to take a hit in the next balance update outside of just the amulet – maybe actually being open to alternatives will alleviate some of the frustration and anger that will follow what is essentially a necessary downtuning. Rather start exploring this now.

PS: Everyone says everyone in unranked is a target golem/noob etc, but they play unranked themselves as well… Strange.

Shatter Mesmer isn’t a fairy, we can’t make it effective by believing hard enough.

Silverkey.2078:

The point of Fay is simply that power shatter has 1 burst. That’s all. If you miss mind wrack you have no damage left.

On the other hand condi shatter can use every shatter for damage and recharge them all with the signet for another round, while always keeping max illusion count thanks to traits.

As always, the problem with power mesmer is the lack of sustained damage. We have one of the highest burst in the game. But this burst is highly telegraphed and with all passive procs, blocks/evades/invuln and innate tankiness, it does not suffice to pressure the enemy. Sadly our follow-up damage is ridiculously low.

Simply said & totally agree Silverkey. Can not ad to that.

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Let me be clear with you here – I play every class, but main Dagger/Warhorn Elementalist. I don’t know where you would be coming from thinking I only play necro and its the only reason I would think mesmer is strong still. Maybe you just aren’t very good at mesmer? I’m pretty decent at mesmer and I’ve won plenty of PvP fights, WvW fights and duels on my mesmer.

Mesmer has been way too strong for way too long, it can almost infinitely be in stealth and apply a lot of conditions or burst VERY hard with shatters. Now with chrono, it has a long block, access to aegis and still invuln from sword 2 lol.

And if what you’re trying to say is that mesmer isn’t strong without Chrono, that is also wrong because the old shatter meta is very strong to this day. It really sounds like a L2P issue that you’re having.

Crowley.8761:

Fay.2357:

Phantasms go away after if your opponent is competent enough to cleave them down. They have basically no health, so it only takes one or two autoattacks to do.

If you’re so sure this works on players that aren’t imitating a target golem, feel free to make a video of you killing competent players with this convoluted combo that can be countered without any significant effort.

As I said it’s not about one combo itself, that is simply the potential.

And I’m sorry if I offend you by suggesting something else is possible to run, but it seems to me that we can definitely expect condi chrono to take a hit in the next balance update outside of just the amulet – maybe actually being open to alternatives will alleviate some of the frustration and anger that will follow what is essentially a necessary downtuning. Rather start exploring this now.

PS: Everyone says everyone in unranked is a target golem/noob etc, but they play unranked themselves as well… Strange.

What? Unranked is less intense than ranked but what am I supposed to do? stand around in the lobby or mindlessly slaughter in pve? “but they play unranked themselves as well” pffft

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Let me be clear with you here – I play every class, but main Dagger/Warhorn Elementalist. I don’t know where you would be coming from thinking I only play necro and its the only reason I would think mesmer is strong still. Maybe you just aren’t very good at mesmer? I’m pretty decent at mesmer and I’ve won plenty of PvP fights, WvW fights and duels on my mesmer.

Mesmer has been way too strong for way too long, it can almost infinitely be in stealth and apply a lot of conditions or burst VERY hard with shatters. Now with chrono, it has a long block, access to aegis and still invuln from sword 2 lol.

And if what you’re trying to say is that mesmer isn’t strong without Chrono, that is also wrong because the old shatter meta is very strong to this day. It really sounds like a L2P issue that you’re having.

Can remain almost infinitely in stealth, access to aegis from chrono and invuln from blurred frenzy? I’m not sure what game you’re playing, but it’s not guild wars 2.

Additionally, if the old meta shatter build was so strong, one might think that you’d see it more often. That’s not to say that you can’t succeed with it, but simply that it’s not nearly as good as the other options around. I’ll make an analogy since simple logic usually misses the mark here on the forums.

Let’s say you’re trying to build a cabinet. Unfortunately, you’ve misplaced your hammer and you only have a wrench and a bunch of nails. You could probably hammer the nails in with the wrench, but the amount of effort you’d spend trying to do such a silly thing would be massively larger, and you’d still do a worse job than if you just asked your neighbor to borrow a hammer. This is the relationship between the meta condie shatter and other workable Mesmer builds.

Levetty.1279:

Shatter Mesmer isn’t a fairy, we can’t make it effective by believing hard enough.

The build isn’t shatter focus and that shouldn’t be so hard to understand. Also contrary to your point the build “Chronophantasma shatter” is marked as “current meta”. Ie, shatter. Condi hybrid, but a big focus on shatter.

Khyber.1284:

What? Unranked is less intense than ranked but what am I supposed to do? stand around in the lobby or mindlessly slaughter in pve? “but they play unranked themselves as well” pffft

My point was that it’s apparently “forum cool” to laugh at how every single person in unranked mode is a mindless scrub, yet so many forum heroes are playing unranked themselves – that means maybe unranked isn’t exclusively scrub and maybe, just maybe it’s not 100% worthless as a base of testing.

Fay.2357:

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Let me be clear with you here – I play every class, but main Dagger/Warhorn Elementalist. I don’t know where you would be coming from thinking I only play necro and its the only reason I would think mesmer is strong still. Maybe you just aren’t very good at mesmer? I’m pretty decent at mesmer and I’ve won plenty of PvP fights, WvW fights and duels on my mesmer.

Mesmer has been way too strong for way too long, it can almost infinitely be in stealth and apply a lot of conditions or burst VERY hard with shatters. Now with chrono, it has a long block, access to aegis and still invuln from sword 2 lol.

And if what you’re trying to say is that mesmer isn’t strong without Chrono, that is also wrong because the old shatter meta is very strong to this day. It really sounds like a L2P issue that you’re having.

Can remain almost infinitely in stealth, access to aegis from chrono and invuln from blurred frenzy? I’m not sure what game you’re playing, but it’s not guild wars 2.

Additionally, if the old meta shatter build was so strong, one might think that you’d see it more often. That’s not to say that you can’t succeed with it, but simply that it’s not nearly as good as the other options around. I’ll make an analogy since simple logic usually misses the mark here on the forums.

Let’s say you’re trying to build a cabinet. Unfortunately, you’ve misplaced your hammer and you only have a wrench and a bunch of nails. You could probably hammer the nails in with the wrench, but the amount of effort you’d spend trying to do such a silly thing would be massively larger, and you’d still do a worse job than if you just asked your neighbor to borrow a hammer. This is the relationship between the meta condie shatter and other workable Mesmer builds.

Fay, Let Josh XT.6053 rant. He really have no clue what he’s talking about. I think he just like to read himself thinking he’s smart. Absolute no constructive criticism or argument. sigh…

Fay.2357:

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Let me be clear with you here – I play every class, but main Dagger/Warhorn Elementalist. I don’t know where you would be coming from thinking I only play necro and its the only reason I would think mesmer is strong still. Maybe you just aren’t very good at mesmer? I’m pretty decent at mesmer and I’ve won plenty of PvP fights, WvW fights and duels on my mesmer.

Mesmer has been way too strong for way too long, it can almost infinitely be in stealth and apply a lot of conditions or burst VERY hard with shatters. Now with chrono, it has a long block, access to aegis and still invuln from sword 2 lol.

And if what you’re trying to say is that mesmer isn’t strong without Chrono, that is also wrong because the old shatter meta is very strong to this day. It really sounds like a L2P issue that you’re having.

Can remain almost infinitely in stealth, access to aegis from chrono and invuln from blurred frenzy? I’m not sure what game you’re playing, but it’s not guild wars 2.

Additionally, if the old meta shatter build was so strong, one might think that you’d see it more often. That’s not to say that you can’t succeed with it, but simply that it’s not nearly as good as the other options around. I’ll make an analogy since simple logic usually misses the mark here on the forums.

Let’s say you’re trying to build a cabinet. Unfortunately, you’ve misplaced your hammer and you only have a wrench and a bunch of nails. You could probably hammer the nails in with the wrench, but the amount of effort you’d spend trying to do such a silly thing would be massively larger, and you’d still do a worse job than if you just asked your neighbor to borrow a hammer. This is the relationship between the meta condie shatter and other workable Mesmer builds.

PU condi mesmer has a lot of stealth still if you play that way. It depends on build but it seems some of you are stubborn about changing your build to fight the new meta and think that you can just keep everything the same forever. L2P issues everywhere lol.

Access to Aegis from well of precognition also. Looks like you’re playing blade and soul according to your forum signature – so apparently you forgot about GW2.

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Let me be clear with you here – I play every class, but main Dagger/Warhorn Elementalist. I don’t know where you would be coming from thinking I only play necro and its the only reason I would think mesmer is strong still. Maybe you just aren’t very good at mesmer? I’m pretty decent at mesmer and I’ve won plenty of PvP fights, WvW fights and duels on my mesmer.

Mesmer has been way too strong for way too long, it can almost infinitely be in stealth and apply a lot of conditions or burst VERY hard with shatters. Now with chrono, it has a long block, access to aegis and still invuln from sword 2 lol.

And if what you’re trying to say is that mesmer isn’t strong without Chrono, that is also wrong because the old shatter meta is very strong to this day. It really sounds like a L2P issue that you’re having.

I call this a liar, at least show some hard fact not some thing you feel like it and make it into a fact.

here is one:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/EU-Pro-League-Meta/first
Was mesmer the worst and no one pick the class? No, but compare to the rest of them you might call it the second worst, not counting that no one pick thief and warrior
And this was before the nerf so there is no excuse for that mesmer was “always strong”.
Our “long” block is 1.5 sec and if we get to block we get another 1.5 sec block which add up to 3 sec block, same as every other shield blocking skill except we require a block to make it to full duration
Finally, Mind Wrack, are you one of those people that said Mind Wrack hit you for 5k per clone? Because that is bullkitten.

Hlord.5940:

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Let me be clear with you here – I play every class, but main Dagger/Warhorn Elementalist. I don’t know where you would be coming from thinking I only play necro and its the only reason I would think mesmer is strong still. Maybe you just aren’t very good at mesmer? I’m pretty decent at mesmer and I’ve won plenty of PvP fights, WvW fights and duels on my mesmer.

Mesmer has been way too strong for way too long, it can almost infinitely be in stealth and apply a lot of conditions or burst VERY hard with shatters. Now with chrono, it has a long block, access to aegis and still invuln from sword 2 lol.

And if what you’re trying to say is that mesmer isn’t strong without Chrono, that is also wrong because the old shatter meta is very strong to this day. It really sounds like a L2P issue that you’re having.

I call this a liar, at least show some hard fact not some thing you feel like it and make it into a fact.

here is one:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/EU-Pro-League-Meta/first
Was mesmer the worst and no one pick the class? No, but compare to the rest of them you might call it the second worst, not counting that no one pick thief and warrior
And this was before the nerf so there is no excuse for that mesmer was “always strong”.
Our “long” block is 1.5 sec and if we get to block we get another 1.5 sec block which add up to 3 sec block, same as every other shield blocking skill except we require a block to make it to full duration
Finally, Mind Wrack, are you one of those people that said Mind Wrack hit you for 5k per clone? Because that is bullkitten.

No, but I have played my shatter mesmer quite a bit and have seen my mind wrack shatter on people for 5k per clone before. Granted, it is on things like full zerk thieves or rangers when I ran full zerk on my mesmer.

I really wonder what kind of builds you people are playing making you think like this lol.. A lot of L2Play and L2Build issues.

Edit: Let me help you out here: http://asphyxia.tv/wvw-roaming-mesmer-build/

Josh XT.6053:

Hlord.5940:

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Let me be clear with you here – I play every class, but main Dagger/Warhorn Elementalist. I don’t know where you would be coming from thinking I only play necro and its the only reason I would think mesmer is strong still. Maybe you just aren’t very good at mesmer? I’m pretty decent at mesmer and I’ve won plenty of PvP fights, WvW fights and duels on my mesmer.

Mesmer has been way too strong for way too long, it can almost infinitely be in stealth and apply a lot of conditions or burst VERY hard with shatters. Now with chrono, it has a long block, access to aegis and still invuln from sword 2 lol.

And if what you’re trying to say is that mesmer isn’t strong without Chrono, that is also wrong because the old shatter meta is very strong to this day. It really sounds like a L2P issue that you’re having.

I call this a liar, at least show some hard fact not some thing you feel like it and make it into a fact.

here is one:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/EU-Pro-League-Meta/first
Was mesmer the worst and no one pick the class? No, but compare to the rest of them you might call it the second worst, not counting that no one pick thief and warrior
And this was before the nerf so there is no excuse for that mesmer was “always strong”.
Our “long” block is 1.5 sec and if we get to block we get another 1.5 sec block which add up to 3 sec block, same as every other shield blocking skill except we require a block to make it to full duration
Finally, Mind Wrack, are you one of those people that said Mind Wrack hit you for 5k per clone? Because that is bullkitten.

No, but I have played my shatter mesmer quite a bit and have seen my mind wrack shatter on people for 5k per clone before. Granted, it is on things like full zerk thieves or rangers when I ran full zerk on my mesmer.

I really wonder what kind of builds you people are playing making you think like this lol.. A lot of L2Play and L2Build issues.

Edit: Let me help you out here: http://asphyxia.tv/wvw-roaming-mesmer-build/

Josh XT.6053, 5k damage per clones on a mesmer zerker build? First off, it’s not 5k but more like 3.5k to 4.5 max if your lucky. Second of all, this relates to your other questions, What build are we playing? Well it’s sure aint full zerker. That’s for noobs. & nobody that descent anoth plays full zerker anymore. Witch brings up the next point. Even if the mesmer zerker build was still viable & does it’s 15k damage after set up & F1. Now what? Well, It’s over unless nobody smart anoth to target the mesmer. A good quick cleave or AoE or condi bomb & it’s over. You know what’s funny, does build exist all across. There’s one ranger zerker build still working that one shots every one for 30k damage with that Bear attack. funny as hell. But once he’s done that, Ranger is good as dead. He get cleaved so fast by the other players makes it in the end not viable build. I don’t know who you trying to convince that power build mesmers still viable, but it’s not. & ther is no other builds that works except the condi build that’s in the meta. It’s obvious you havent played mesmer in a while.

Ps: That Link http://asphyxia.tv/wvw-roaming-mesmer-build/ for the roamer, It’s good as much as any other power shatter build, but you still get cleaved even with the scrapper runes. If you miss your set up, you better run. But this kind of build does not work on Spvp.

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053, 5k damage per clones on a mesmer zerker build? First off, it’s not 5k but more like 3.5k to 4.5 max if your lucky. Second of all, this relates to your other questions, What build are we playing? Well it’s sure aint full zerker. That’s for noobs. & nobody that descent anoth plays full zerker anymore. Witch brings up the next point. Even if the mesmer zerker build was still viable & does it’s 15k damage after set up & F1. Now what? Well, It’s over unless nobody smart anoth to target the mesmer. A good quick cleave or AoE or condi bomb & it’s over. You know what’s funny, does build exist all across. There’s one ranger zerker build still working that one shots every one for 30k damage with that Bear attack. funny as hell. But once he’s done that, Ranger is good as dead. He get cleaved so fast by the other players makes it in the end not viable build. I don’t know who you trying to convince that power build mesmers still viable, but it’s not. & ther is no other builds that works except the condi build that’s in the meta. It’s obvious you havent played mesmer in a while.

Except no ranger has ever one shot me, so I am not really sure what you’re on about there. I haven’t played my mesmer in about a month, Elementalist is too fun recently, but I will gladly log it, brush off my rust and 1v1 you with it to prove my point.

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053, 5k damage per clones on a mesmer zerker build? First off, it’s not 5k but more like 3.5k to 4.5 max if your lucky. Second of all, this relates to your other questions, What build are we playing? Well it’s sure aint full zerker. That’s for noobs. & nobody that descent anoth plays full zerker anymore. Witch brings up the next point. Even if the mesmer zerker build was still viable & does it’s 15k damage after set up & F1. Now what? Well, It’s over unless nobody smart anoth to target the mesmer. A good quick cleave or AoE or condi bomb & it’s over. You know what’s funny, does build exist all across. There’s one ranger zerker build still working that one shots every one for 30k damage with that Bear attack. funny as hell. But once he’s done that, Ranger is good as dead. He get cleaved so fast by the other players makes it in the end not viable build. I don’t know who you trying to convince that power build mesmers still viable, but it’s not. & ther is no other builds that works except the condi build that’s in the meta. It’s obvious you havent played mesmer in a while.

Except no ranger has ever one shot me, so I am not really sure what you’re on about there. I haven’t played my mesmer in about a month, Elementalist is too fun recently, but I will gladly log it, brush off my rust and 1v1 you with it to prove my point.

You never died from a one shot ranger cuz No ranger ever plays that build.. It’s a stupid build in witch you do not survive. You need me to spell it out, really? Fine! When it comes to cheezy zerker builds, mesmers is not top dog as your trying to make it out with your 15k damage. I just pointed one class that can do 30k in a cheap zerker build. & he’s not the only one. So your argument that power shatter mesmer is Op & that i should stop crying sniff sniff cry cry. Well i’m sorry, does not hold up.

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Levetty.1279:

Shatter Mesmer isn’t a fairy, we can’t make it effective by believing hard enough.

The build isn’t shatter focus and that shouldn’t be so hard to understand. Also contrary to your point the build “Chronophantasma shatter” is marked as “current meta”. Ie, shatter. Condi hybrid, but a big focus on shatter.

What are you talking about? The example you gave relies entirely on getting off that shatter burst after which it can do kitten all. “Chronophantasma” shatter is the condi build we’ve been telling you is much better and the only real choice for mesmer, thats why its marked as Meta.

Levetty.1279:

What are you talking about? The example you gave relies entirely on getting off that shatter burst after which it can do kitten all. “Chronophantasma” shatter is the condi build we’ve been telling you is much better and the only real choice for mesmer, thats why its marked as Meta.

It was YOU that said shatter doesn’t work, now you’re pointing out the spec that relies on shatters as the best one. Uff… some people. Yes we all know it’s meta for top teams in ranked play with their similiar comps. That shouldn’t prevent you from thinking on your own.

If you actually read the posts you’d understand it was an example. Taking down people just fine without over-reliance on shatter hitting, Mesmer is really slippery when you play it right.

Interesting point though, I very rarely get taken down on my mes cuz of our many anti-kill-me tools, but just checking out the end of the match details I rarely reach 200k damage with a decent killscore, whereas my rev most games are 350-500k. And that’s where you see the power of the mesmer, shutting people down. I probably use the daze shatter as much if not more than mind wrack. Then again I play mostly close recap/def or far assault and stay away from group fights – it’s pugs and I just want to win :P