Guild Wars 2

Crowley.8761:

Levetty.1279:

What are you talking about? The example you gave relies entirely on getting off that shatter burst after which it can do kitten all. “Chronophantasma” shatter is the condi build we’ve been telling you is much better and the only real choice for mesmer, thats why its marked as Meta.

It was YOU that said shatter doesn’t work, now you’re pointing out the spec that relies on shatters as the best one. Uff… some people. Yes we all know it’s meta for top teams in ranked play with their similiar comps. That shouldn’t prevent you from thinking on your own.

If you actually read the posts you’d understand it was an example. Taking down people just fine without over-reliance on shatter hitting, Mesmer is really slippery when you play it right.

Interesting point though, I very rarely get taken down on my mes cuz of our many anti-kill-me tools, but just checking out the end of the match details I rarely reach 200k damage with a decent killscore, whereas my rev most games are 350-500k. And that’s where you see the power of the mesmer, shutting people down. I probably use the daze shatter as much if not more than mind wrack. Then again I play mostly close recap/def or far assault and stay away from group fights – it’s pugs and I just want to win :P

You’re just purposefully being obtuse, shatter mesmer = power shatter but you knew I meant that.

Heh, this happens a lot.

Vieux P.1238:

Silverkey.2078:

The point of Fay is simply that power shatter has 1 burst. That’s all. If you miss mind wrack you have no damage left.

On the other hand condi shatter can use every shatter for damage and recharge them all with the signet for another round, while always keeping max illusion count thanks to traits.

As always, the problem with power mesmer is the lack of sustained damage. We have one of the highest burst in the game. But this burst is highly telegraphed and with all passive procs, blocks/evades/invuln and innate tankiness, it does not suffice to pressure the enemy. Sadly our follow-up damage is ridiculously low.

Simply said & totally agree Silverkey. Can not ad to that.

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

What makes you think that’s a problem in the first place? here is my thinking:

Anet has esports going on, and obviously they want that to work for them, but they have to consider balancing of professions over all game elements. Wouldn’t it be easier for them to do all that if there was only one build playable for PVP? I know it would be.

Now, I’m not saying they decide what will be meta and focus on buffs/nerfs to steer people into that, making it the only playable build, but they can watch the trends. While it’s not their goal to have only one playable PVP build or diversity, a single meta is easier to manage.

Josh XT.6053:

Hlord.5940:

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Let me be clear with you here – I play every class, but main Dagger/Warhorn Elementalist. I don’t know where you would be coming from thinking I only play necro and its the only reason I would think mesmer is strong still. Maybe you just aren’t very good at mesmer? I’m pretty decent at mesmer and I’ve won plenty of PvP fights, WvW fights and duels on my mesmer.

Mesmer has been way too strong for way too long, it can almost infinitely be in stealth and apply a lot of conditions or burst VERY hard with shatters. Now with chrono, it has a long block, access to aegis and still invuln from sword 2 lol.

And if what you’re trying to say is that mesmer isn’t strong without Chrono, that is also wrong because the old shatter meta is very strong to this day. It really sounds like a L2P issue that you’re having.

I call this a liar, at least show some hard fact not some thing you feel like it and make it into a fact.

here is one:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/EU-Pro-League-Meta/first
Was mesmer the worst and no one pick the class? No, but compare to the rest of them you might call it the second worst, not counting that no one pick thief and warrior
And this was before the nerf so there is no excuse for that mesmer was “always strong”.
Our “long” block is 1.5 sec and if we get to block we get another 1.5 sec block which add up to 3 sec block, same as every other shield blocking skill except we require a block to make it to full duration
Finally, Mind Wrack, are you one of those people that said Mind Wrack hit you for 5k per clone? Because that is bullkitten.

No, but I have played my shatter mesmer quite a bit and have seen my mind wrack shatter on people for 5k per clone before. Granted, it is on things like full zerk thieves or rangers when I ran full zerk on my mesmer.

I really wonder what kind of builds you people are playing making you think like this lol.. A lot of L2Play and L2Build issues.

Edit: Let me help you out here: http://asphyxia.tv/wvw-roaming-mesmer-build/

So your claim is that your build can do 5k per clone right? Only in wvwvw with ideal condition right? 25might and the target have 25 vul right? And the target come with light armor right?
Now i’ll admit this true if you post some screen shot because I try, I really do, except i just can’t get the target with 25 vul and me with 25 might at the same time

Obtena.7952:

Anet has esports going on

That’s pretty debatable. More accurate might be “Anet is shoveling buckets of money into kitten, then burying it.”

Edit: Ahhh forum censor, how I love you. Shoveling. Buckets. Of. Money. Into. An. Existing. Hole. Happy?

People play this game competitively for money and Anet wants it to work for them. Call it whatever makes you happy. my point changes none.

Obtena.7952:

People play this game competitively for money and Anet wants it to work for them. Call it whatever makes you happy. my point changes none.

Imagine how dull league of legends would be if it only had 10 champions and one single optimal way to build each one. There would be little to no variety in each match, just variations and repetitions of the same tired strategies, the same rotations; nothing interesting, new, or entertaining. That’s GW2 pvp right now.

Hell will freeze over before they successfully make an eSport out of this game as long as the diversity and complexity of pvp builds and fights stays at the bare minimum level. I appreciate the difficulty involved with balancing for multiple viable builds, but if they want their precious esports to succeed, they need to step up their balancing game enormously.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how much of a flop fail e-sport season 3 you all think it will be?

Fay.2357:

Imagine how dull league of legends would be if it only had 10 champions and one single optimal way to build each one. There would be little to no variety in each match, just variations and repetitions of the same tired strategies, the same rotations; nothing interesting, new, or entertaining. That’s GW2 pvp right now.

Hell will freeze over before they successfully make an eSport out of this game as long as the diversity and complexity of pvp builds and fights stays at the bare minimum level. I appreciate the difficulty involved with balancing for multiple viable builds, but if they want their precious esports to succeed, they need to step up their balancing game enormously.

+1 and a resounding Amen to that!

So much potential, but dumbing down the game and killing off build diversity only makes for a dull semi-balanced game in the end.

A fully balanced PvP game is an ideal that simply doesn’t exist, but certainly should be a goal to aspire to. However, never at the cost of fun and diversity in your game!

Especially when the casual riff-raff is likely to be 95% of your revenue stream, and boring them to death simply to make the game more balanced for the top 5%, is plain lunacy from a business point of view!

Balance? Yes!
At the cost of of build diversity! NO!

Fay.2357:

Obtena.7952:

People play this game competitively for money and Anet wants it to work for them. Call it whatever makes you happy. my point changes none.

Imagine how dull league of legends would be if it only had 10 champions and one single optimal way to build each one. There would be little to no variety in each match, just variations and repetitions of the same tired strategies, the same rotations; nothing interesting, new, or entertaining. That’s GW2 pvp right now.

Hell will freeze over before they successfully make an eSport out of this game as long as the diversity and complexity of pvp builds and fights stays at the bare minimum level. I appreciate the difficulty involved with balancing for multiple viable builds, but if they want their precious esports to succeed, they need to step up their balancing game enormously.

I think you pretty much nail what is wrong with gw2 pvp right now.

SlimChance.6593:

What bugs me the most is the “double” nerfing that seems to be happening.

Nerf Moa… and remove Mercenary amulets

Nerf Alacrity.. then make quickness/slow no longer affect rez/stomping.

Meanwhile, other Elite’s are barely touched.

The POWERCREEP in this game has got be put in check! And it needs to happen fast and it needs to happen on EVERY PROFESSION. Not just one at a time.

Just want to comment on this post in particular since I have seen it brought up in a lot of arguments.

a) Mesmer wasn’t the only class using the mercenary amulet and the amulet was overloaded and provided to much as it is. It wasn’t removed solely because of and to nerf Mesmers. It was removed since the amulet itself was OP. It really cant be used as an " OMG THEY ARE NERFING US AGAIN" argument.

b) Mesmer isn’t the only class with access to slow and quickness. These changes were class wide and not targeted as Mesmers in particular. It was really to make stomping more meaningful and pave way for the introduction of more execution skills like the DD elite. It was no fun to down someone and they be back in in half a second nor was it fun to be stomped without a real chance to react. Thats just quickness. The opposite holds true for slow since its no fun downing someone but you cant finish them. Essentially to speed up game since those caused they to drag out very long.

Only the stuff in bold holds true at being mesmer specific.

Hlord.5940:

Josh XT.6053:

Hlord.5940:

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

Josh XT.6053 Your missing the point & i’m not surprised coming from a Necro player. I’m voicing up my opinion on this continuances nerfing of the mesmer to the point that we only have one playable build. In the past nerfs, we had at least 3 to 4 viable builds to work with. So……..Why dont you wait till your main gets nerfed to the ground before posting idiocies on this thread.

PS: Chrono is top meta. Your point is irrelevant.

Let me be clear with you here – I play every class, but main Dagger/Warhorn Elementalist. I don’t know where you would be coming from thinking I only play necro and its the only reason I would think mesmer is strong still. Maybe you just aren’t very good at mesmer? I’m pretty decent at mesmer and I’ve won plenty of PvP fights, WvW fights and duels on my mesmer.

Mesmer has been way too strong for way too long, it can almost infinitely be in stealth and apply a lot of conditions or burst VERY hard with shatters. Now with chrono, it has a long block, access to aegis and still invuln from sword 2 lol.

And if what you’re trying to say is that mesmer isn’t strong without Chrono, that is also wrong because the old shatter meta is very strong to this day. It really sounds like a L2P issue that you’re having.

I call this a liar, at least show some hard fact not some thing you feel like it and make it into a fact.

here is one:https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/EU-Pro-League-Meta/first
Was mesmer the worst and no one pick the class? No, but compare to the rest of them you might call it the second worst, not counting that no one pick thief and warrior
And this was before the nerf so there is no excuse for that mesmer was “always strong”.
Our “long” block is 1.5 sec and if we get to block we get another 1.5 sec block which add up to 3 sec block, same as every other shield blocking skill except we require a block to make it to full duration
Finally, Mind Wrack, are you one of those people that said Mind Wrack hit you for 5k per clone? Because that is bullkitten.

No, but I have played my shatter mesmer quite a bit and have seen my mind wrack shatter on people for 5k per clone before. Granted, it is on things like full zerk thieves or rangers when I ran full zerk on my mesmer.

I really wonder what kind of builds you people are playing making you think like this lol.. A lot of L2Play and L2Build issues.

Edit: Let me help you out here: http://asphyxia.tv/wvw-roaming-mesmer-build/

So your claim is that your build can do 5k per clone right? Only in wvwvw with ideal condition right? 25might and the target have 25 vul right? And the target come with light armor right?
Now i’ll admit this true if you post some screen shot because I try, I really do, except i just can’t get the target with 25 vul and me with 25 might at the same time

There is no way he can effectively play power shatter roamer in tier 1 WvW first of all. A rev hammer would 2 shot that glassy build he posted.

Also a solo mesmer roaming has no consistent access to might or fury except 3 stacks of might with GS 2. So it’s impossible for you to get a 5K burst per shatter with crit dmg of 211%. If you do the math on effective power you would see that it’s not possible for anything over 4k. The math doesn’t lie.

A vanilla ranger with LB 5 would insta-kill all clones. And anyone with any experience with shatter will read the obvious tells. So it’s all a kite and run game. And I’m just speaking to WvW. In sPvP shatter mesmer only works if the mesmer is ignored by the opponents which is rare because a glassy mesmer is an easy kill.

I agree post some screen shots or videos proving your claims and superior game play. Otherwise you speaking out of your rear end.

I came back a few days ago just to see this crap happen yet again. Think instead of a long break it might finally be time to quit for good. If someone ask what I remember from gw2 it would be the awful balance team anet has and their lack of reasoning for their patches.

Chaoz.7941:

I came back a few days ago just to see this crap happen yet again. Think instead of a long break it might finally be time to quit for good. If someone ask what I remember from gw2 it would be the awful balance team anet has and their lack of reasoning for their patches.

I’m in the same boat. After that awful Alacrity nerf, I took a break. The spring update renewed my faith in Anet, so I returned and bought some gems out of thanks. And now this horsekitten happens. Never again.

How did the mesmer nerf the stupid hole?

yiksing.9432:

How did the mesmer nerf the stupid hole?

If anything the stupid hole should be more spacious now that you don’t have to put a mercenary amulet in there…

back to the HOLE point.. despite mesmers still efficient under the hands of a skill player, the HOLE nerfs thing…., is just stupid. Can’t wait till we get the next best mmo. Or it’s back to WoW.

Vieux P.1238:

back to the HOLE point.. despite mesmers still efficient under the hands of a skill player, the HOLE nerfs thing…., is just stupid. Can’t wait till we get the next best mmo. Or it’s back to WoW.

“Hole”, everyone. Not “whole” …. Your credibility just keeps fading away.

You can’t call anything else stupid while using the wrong word entirely. Have fun in WoW.

Inb4 another infraction for telling the truth.

ahh Josh XT.6053, are you still peeved cuz you got served spoonfull of uncredibility by everyone on this thread..? Do you feel like a big boy now that you can spell the word whole on your own? Good boy!

Vieux P.1238:

ahh Josh XT.6053, are you still peeved cuz you got served spoonfull of uncredibility by everyone on this thread..? Do you feel like a big boy now that you can spell the word whole on your own? Good boy!

Not sure what you’re on about. Also, “uncredibility” isn’t a word and “spoonfull” is actually two words.

Sadly I don’t have as much time to play this game as I’d like, so I haven’t had time to go log my mesmer and shatter someone in my guild hall to see how the damage is today. When I’m in game, I’m playing my elementalist in WvW.

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

back to the HOLE point.. despite mesmers still efficient under the hands of a skill player, the HOLE nerfs thing…., is just stupid. Can’t wait till we get the next best mmo. Or it’s back to WoW.

“Hole”, everyone. Not “whole” …. Your credibility just keeps fading away.

You can’t call anything else stupid while using the wrong word entirely. Have fun in WoW.

Inb4 another infraction for telling the truth.

I’m confused. Are you saying the definition for “hole” is everyone or that “whole” has the definition of everyone?
Because the definition of “hole” is more in line with an opening in the ground. Or a missing section.
“Whole” has a definition more in line with a group of people. Or parts of a thing.

http://grammarist.com/homophones/hole-vs-whole/

I’m only curious because you’re trying to correct him but I believe you are wrong as well. And if you can’t even look up the grammatical differences between two words why would I believe you can hit a target with 5k mind wracks?

Josh XT.6053:

Vieux P.1238:

ahh Josh XT.6053, are you still peeved cuz you got served spoonfull of uncredibility by everyone on this thread..? Do you feel like a big boy now that you can spell the word whole on your own? Good boy!

Not sure what you’re on about. Also, “uncredibility” isn’t a word and “spoonfull” is actually two words.

Sadly I don’t have as much time to play this game as I’d like, so I haven’t had time to go log my mesmer and shatter someone in my guild hall to see how the damage is today. When I’m in game, I’m playing my elementalist in WvW.

Let me spare you the trouble as someone who has been playing full berserker (well I have traveler runes) core power shatter in WvW. You suck at anything over 5 people and even then you have to be very very careful what you engage. Most “meta” classes simply out sustain you or have way more blocks than you can really deal with to land a MW. Sure you can pop nubs who double dodge but against anyone that knows about mirror blade you’ll be lucky to land that and they simply cleave clones as they spam skills.

The only other class I can honestly say is worse playing berserker is fresh air sceptre focus ele because if you do you have 12k health which becomes 2k when a thief accidentally dodges onto you, then 0 when someone sneezes.

5k per clone, you can get with a 1 clone MW I believe, more clones won’t get you higher though and you’re very glassy for it. Coefficient is on the wiki now so you can also plug your numbers and prove it mathematically but you won’t get 5k easily from a 3 clone.

Fay.2357:

Obtena.7952:

People play this game competitively for money and Anet wants it to work for them. Call it whatever makes you happy. my point changes none.

Imagine how dull league of legends would be if it only had 10 champions and one single optimal way to build each one. There would be little to no variety in each match, just variations and repetitions of the same tired strategies, the same rotations; nothing interesting, new, or entertaining. That’s GW2 pvp right now.

Hell will freeze over before they successfully make an eSport out of this game as long as the diversity and complexity of pvp builds and fights stays at the bare minimum level. I appreciate the difficulty involved with balancing for multiple viable builds, but if they want their precious esports to succeed, they need to step up their balancing game enormously.

Yeah … glad I’m not playing it. I don’t dispute what you are saying here.