Guild Wars 2

The skill it clearly a Glamour skill, just crippled by not having the “Glamour” label.

I don’t know what other people think about this but it won’t be easy for you to make me change idea about this.

And just for comparison’s sake, warrior’s Warbanner is a very powerful skill, it has the label “Banner” and so it can be influenced with reduced cooldowns / larger area of effect / damage on summon (if anybody would ever use it anyway) / regen / whatever traits. I didn’t play much other classes so I don’t know if there are other examples of clear misbehaviour.

So add the kitten tag to out TW so IF we want we can have it on a slightly reduced CD and we can give some blind/confusion. It would just make sense. And I couldn’t find an already made thread about this, which left me a bit baffled!

It just would be a logical step. Don’t know why 3 of our 3 Elites don’t have ANY skill-school we can take influence on with traits.

Other classes got 2 elites which they can effect with traits…

fedecane.6259:

So add the kitten tag to out TW so IF we want we can have it on a slightly reduced CD and we can give some blind/confusion. It would just make sense. And I couldn’t find an already made thread about this, which left me a bit baffled!

Nyel.1843:

It just would be a logical step. Don’t know why 3 of our 3 Elites don’t have ANY skill-school we can take influence on with traits.

Other classes got 2 elites which they can effect with traits…

Anet is not well known for logical decisions, so this is unlikely to change.

Because if I could spec +20% duration and -20% CD, you know what’s happen?

• Time Warp now lasts 8 seconds without traits.
• Time Warp now has a 4,5 minutes recharge without traits.

It’s already our strongest elite on average. They’d just nerf it to compensate and then you’re forced to trait it. We gain nothing.

The problem with TW being a Glamour skill is it’d be upgradeable too much. Lower CD, longer, applies confusion to everybody who enter/exit it and blinds everybody inside it. Maybe that’s why they decided not making it Glamour.

But wiki says: “Glamour is a type of utility skills exclusive to mesmers that create shining fields on the ground, which have helpful effects on allies or harmful effects on enemies.” So…

I agree. Also the Asuran racial skills “radiation field” and “pain inverter” should be Glamours and traitable by mesmers.

Ansau.7326:

The problem with TW being a Glamour skill is it’d be upgradeable too much. Lower CD, longer, applies confusion to everybody who enter/exit it and blinds everybody inside it. Maybe that’s why they decided not making it Glamour.

But wiki says: “Glamour is a type of utility skills exclusive to mesmers that create shining fields on the ground, which have helpful effects on allies or harmful effects on enemies.” So…

Well yeah, that’s the point: being able to upgrade it via traits like other class elites can…which would make it more viable. I guess if you’re concerned with it being OP, you could increase the CD and reduce the time to 7-8 seconds like other glamours.

eta – the fact that it’s an ethereal combo field gives more credence to the opinion that it should be a glamour.

Ansau.7326:

The problem with TW being a Glamour skill is it’d be upgradeable too much.

Yeah, upgradeable far too much.

It’s not like other classes have an elite on a 45 second base cooldown that can be traited to give 2 stacks of 20second might when used and traited to reduce the cooldown and traited to last longer and traited to lifesteal when activated and traited to be aoe shared to allies.

Yeah, time warp being a glamour would definitely make it op.

Edit: Or how about an elite on a 60 second cooldown that can be traited to increase damage and traited to give you extra toughness and traited to have a lower cooldown and traited to have more health and traited to cause a death nova when it dies and traited to strip boons on attacks and traited to drain health to you and traited to draw conditions from you.

Yeah.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Ansau.7326:

The problem with TW being a Glamour skill is it’d be upgradeable too much.

Yeah, upgradeable far too much.

It’s not like other classes have an elite on a 45 second base cooldown that can be traited to give 2 stacks of 20second might when used and traited to reduce the cooldown and traited to last longer and traited to lifesteal when activated and traited to be aoe shared to allies.

Yeah, time warp being a glamour would definitely make it op.

Edit: Or how about an elite on a 60 second cooldown that can be traited to increase damage and traited to give you extra toughness and traited to have a lower cooldown and traited to have more health and traited to cause a death nova when it dies and traited to strip boons on attacks and traited to drain health to you and traited to draw conditions from you.

Yeah.

All of this. Infact, looking at Elite skills shows that every class but Mesmer is able to trait to affect at least one of their elites. Fun times.

Yeah but in someone’s opinion if it lasted barely 2 seconds longer and was on a 168 seconds cooldown instead of 210 (that are 3.5 mins, not 4.5 btw and 2 dedicated traits you’d need for this) it would be too OP.. don’t know what to say to that..

Pyroatheist.9031:

It’s not like other classes have an elite on a 45 second base cooldown that can be traited to give 2 stacks of 20second might when used and traited to reduce the cooldown and traited to last longer and traited to lifesteal when activated and traited to be aoe shared to allies.

You forgot to mention that it would require 30 point investment in shadow arts & deadly arts, which no pve thief would do due to the insane dps sacrifices that would be required to do so.

Oh and it would still be worse than time warp for pve.

So, congrats on having a superior elite without needing to spend a single trait point on it!

Edit:

Edit: Or how about an elite on a 60 second cooldown that can be traited to increase damage and traited to give you extra toughness and traited to have a lower cooldown and traited to have more health and traited to cause a death nova when it dies and traited to strip boons on attacks and traited to drain health to you and traited to draw conditions from you.

Ah, the good ole 30/30/30/30/30 build. Also, even if that build was possible, it would still be significantly inferior to time warp. Necro minions suck.

Renny.6571:

All of this. Infact, looking at Elite skills shows that every class but Mesmer is able to trait to affect at least one of their elites. Fun times.

Guardians can’t. It’s absurd how much misinformation is in this thread.

Renny.6571:

wolfpaq.7354:

You forgot to mention that it would require 30 point investment in shadow arts & deadly arts, which no pve thief would do due to the insane dps sacrifices that would be required to do so.

Pve isn’t the only game type, and besides, everyone knows the only understanding of your class you need for pve is which skill does the biggest numbers and how to stack on the same spot to 1 spam.

wolfpaq.7354:

Ah, the good ole 30/30/30/30/30 build. Also, even if that build was possible, it would still be significantly inferior to time warp. Necro minions suck.

Again, Pve isn’t the only game type and minions are extremely prevalent in spvp/tpvp.

1. You still have the indisputably best elite skill in 1 of 3 game types. You have the GW2 version of heroism, but more powerful. Stop whining about it. Changing it to a glamour would make it wildly overpowered.

2. Doesn’t change the fact that said build is impossible.

3. spvp/tpvp isn’t the only game type.

Renny.6571:

Just stop.

No.

Renny.6571:

1. A 20% cooldown would mean you could cast it 42seconds earlier.

2. you can’t take death nova/boon strip grandmaster

3. when you completely disregard venoms because it requires thieves to go 30 into Shadow Arts, which is regarded by most an overpowered trait line, you sound extremely ignorant.

1. So you admit to having the most powerful skill in PvE, and you want it buffed? lol, no thanks.

2. Yay, you finally got it.

3. I clearly stated “PvE” in my post. Not my fault you can’t/didn’t read. You should learn from my example because your blanket statement regarding shadow arts being overpowered is laughable.

Snide remarks aside, it is issues just like this one that make me feel that arenanet needs to move away from skills behaving identically in PvE and PvP.

wolfpaq.7354:

Pyroatheist.9031:

It’s not like other classes have an elite on a 45 second base cooldown that can be traited to give 2 stacks of 20second might when used and traited to reduce the cooldown and traited to last longer and traited to lifesteal when activated and traited to be aoe shared to allies.

You forgot to mention that it would require 30 point investment in shadow arts & deadly arts, which no pve thief would do due to the insane dps sacrifices that would be required to do so.

Oh and it would still be worse than time warp for pve.

So, congrats on having a superior elite without needing to spend a single trait point on it!

Edit:

Edit: Or how about an elite on a 60 second cooldown that can be traited to increase damage and traited to give you extra toughness and traited to have a lower cooldown and traited to have more health and traited to cause a death nova when it dies and traited to strip boons on attacks and traited to drain health to you and traited to draw conditions from you.

Ah, the good ole 30/30/30/30/30 build. Also, even if that build was possible, it would still be significantly inferior to time warp. Necro minions suck.

Note that I wasn’t saying someone would take all of those traits in the same build, just the same as someone would rarely take every single glamour buffing trait in the same build either.

The point I was trying to make is that the options for the customization of how their elite skill functions in any particular build are available for classes, but not mesmers. If thieves want to do venomshare support with life leech and cooldown reduction, they can. If they want to do self buffing with might and extra use venoms, they can. If a necro wants to focus on various aspects of how the flesh golem performs, they have that option. These options are not available to mesmer in any way.

I see. I guess as someone who played a minion necro and venom thief extensively before being forced to abandon them in disgust as worthless builds, it struck me as odd that you’d want to mess with the best elite in the game.

Note that all of this is from a PvE perspective, although I’m having a really hard time buying that minion necros are popular in pvp given how horribly they perform in pve.

If they ever add more new elites into the game an elite phantasm would solve all those problems right?

Wolfpaq, I don’t play pve much, but I can assure you, Minion Masters are ridiculously good in pvp…

Well PU does apply to Mass Invis at least, but yes I think turning Time Warp into a glamour would be really quite interesting. From an sPvP/WvW viewpoint I think it would open up some cool builds with more Mesmers going deep into Inspiration to bolster their unique supportive role. Maybe the CD reduction would be significant enough to gently edge Mesmers back into some sort of important meta role in sPvP? Maybe this would be enough to revive something resembling the glamour builds of yesteryear?

I don’t really have much of an opinion in regards to PvE. Surely a slightly longer lasting Time Warp on a shorter CD is of benefit to everyone in PvE?

MailMail.6534:

Well yeah, that’s the point: being able to upgrade it via traits like other class elites can…which would make it more viable. I guess if you’re concerned with it being OP, you could increase the CD and reduce the time to 7-8 seconds like other glamours.

So this is then just a “Nerf Mesmers!”-thread in disguise?
Because what you say is exactly what’s happen, and then we’re forced to trait Glamours. Reducing spec viability and build diversity. Just so we got our group-support back.

Simonoly.4352:

I don’t really have much of an opinion in regards to PvE. Surely a slightly longer lasting Time Warp on a shorter CD is of benefit to everyone in PvE?

Given how strong TW is, you know that’s not how it’ll work.

It’ll last just as long as now on the same cooldown. When traited.
They’ll just change the baseline to compensate.

Renny.6571:

All of this. Infact, looking at Elite skills shows that every class but Mesmer is able to trait to affect at least one of their elites. Fun times.

That’s what I said.

Every class except a Mesmer can do it. Why???

wolfpaq.7354:

Renny.6571:

All of this. Infact, looking at Elite skills shows that every class but Mesmer is able to trait to affect at least one of their elites. Fun times.

Guardians can’t. It’s absurd how much misinformation is in this thread.

So Elite Focus doesn’t extend the duration of at least one Guardian Elite Skill? Unless that Trait got changed, it darned well does. /shrug

Simonoly.4352:

Well PU does apply to Mass Invis at least, but yes I think turning Time Warp into a glamour would be really quite interesting. From an sPvP/WvW viewpoint I think it would open up some cool builds with more Mesmers going deep into Inspiration to bolster their unique supportive role. Maybe the CD reduction would be significant enough to gently edge Mesmers back into some sort of important meta role in sPvP? Maybe this would be enough to revive something resembling the glamour builds of yesteryear?

I don’t really have much of an opinion in regards to PvE. Surely a slightly longer lasting Time Warp on a shorter CD is of benefit to everyone in PvE?

Finally someone said what I was thinking, it would maybe bring back some viability in PvP group play, I never mentioned it but I was thinking about WvW throughout my posts because that’s the game type I play on my mesmer. (for boss farming / dungeons my warrior is better by far)..

..and I think someone got way too excited (wolfpaq) about this change that would just make sense.
Do I need to remind you that TW effect is received by 5 players? at least in WvW the change I’m talking about wouldn’t make that big of a difference except that maybe someone will start playing glamour build again which is one of the “only” zerg build available to this class.
As far as PvE is concerned it won’t change much anyway no matter how much you struggle to make it sound OP, I’m sorry besides, you’re fighting against some nice script-mob, they don’t get offended if 5 of you bash them 50% faster for 10 seconds and 20% more often, I can assure you, they’re pretty forgiving guys those scripts!

Renny.6571:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Ansau.7326:

The problem with TW being a Glamour skill is it’d be upgradeable too much.

Yeah, upgradeable far too much.

It’s not like other classes have an elite on a 45 second base cooldown that can be traited to give 2 stacks of 20second might when used and traited to reduce the cooldown and traited to last longer and traited to lifesteal when activated and traited to be aoe shared to allies.

Yeah, time warp being a glamour would definitely make it op.

Edit: Or how about an elite on a 60 second cooldown that can be traited to increase damage and traited to give you extra toughness and traited to have a lower cooldown and traited to have more health and traited to cause a death nova when it dies and traited to strip boons on attacks and traited to drain health to you and traited to draw conditions from you.

Yeah.

All of this. Infact, looking at Elite skills shows that every class but Mesmer is able to trait to affect at least one of their elites. Fun times.

So, PU is not affecting Mass Invisibility now?

wolfpaq.7354:

Renny.6571:

All of this. Infact, looking at Elite skills shows that every class but Mesmer is able to trait to affect at least one of their elites. Fun times.

Guardians can’t. It’s absurd how much misinformation is in this thread.

Elite Focus , a trait that affect ALL three elites.

Advent.6193:

So Elite Focus doesn’t extend the duration of at least one Guardian Elite Skill? Unless that Trait got changed, it darned well does. /shrug

It still affects all 3.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Ansau.7326:

The problem with TW being a Glamour skill is it’d be upgradeable too much.

Yeah, upgradeable far too much.

It’s not like other classes have an elite on a 45 second base cooldown that can be traited to give 2 stacks of 20second might when used and traited to reduce the cooldown and traited to last longer and traited to lifesteal when activated and traited to be aoe shared to allies.

Yeah, time warp being a glamour would definitely make it op.

Edit: Or how about an elite on a 60 second cooldown that can be traited to increase damage and traited to give you extra toughness and traited to have a lower cooldown and traited to have more health and traited to cause a death nova when it dies and traited to strip boons on attacks and traited to drain health to you and traited to draw conditions from you.

Yeah.

This.

ANet never followed some kind of a straight line by anything.
Look, how they changed the living story: from 1 update every 4 weeks to every 2 weeks and now they bury it.
Or from “we dont want an item spiral” to “hey here are ascendend items!”
Or just think about how often they changed the layout from the sPvP tournaments.

Advent.6193:

So Elite Focus doesn’t extend the duration of at least one Guardian Elite Skill? Unless that Trait got changed, it darned well does. /shrug

No, you’re right, I was mistaken.

Alright so in the end we all agree it’s something that needs to be done for multiple reasons.

ANet Devs now plz make it happen.. for the next patch? It’s likely 1 line of code or a flag in a DB so make it already.

kthxbai