Guild Wars 2

These are my tactics for taking zergs and large groups, i use torch traited for regular stealths with the elite stealth and utilty stealth, its amazing for breaking lock-ons, and scepter in main hand for the counter, this counter is EXTREMELY underapreciated, one word Thieves, the counter is a sure way to protect against backstabs its obvious when a thief goes into stealth to tell when he will be close to you, if you arent good at timing it then you could also place the sword in the offhand for the second counter, they enable me to lock down a thief with ease they think all they need to do is go invisible is to win xD, as for the torch, with it traited it gives you the abilty to kite and damage zergs by breaking locks, i must of had situations where it was 30+ and i still stayed next to/in the zerg for 5mins plus before having to retreat due to agro (them getting kittened off xD)

Not only that but my best duel was using GS and Sc/T traited for reduced cooldown, the trait also has remove conditions on skill use with torch which allows me to remove my condition matra and replace with veil (not nescassary but you can never have to many lock breakers xD) in this situation i did have veil and as long as you manage your cool downs correctly youll be fine, i only switch to GS to complete its skill damage cycle (maybe knockdown if needed) and then switch back to my other weps as soon as the 8 sec wep switch cool down has finished, i use that counter as soon as its cooled down as well, im not saying its a good idea to get in close for the counter but more than likely good player s WILL be close to you as they know how to beat mesmers hence the counter being critical as it releases high dps aswell

I use 100% full zerk gear for the high DPS spikes as i will be very rarely getting hit, If you notice your enemy is a necro it may be a good idea to have that condition remover mantra and not veil, as for the build itself hear are the skills and traits i have enjoy, as this build is overlooked to much and im up for critisism please be thorough

http://www.intothemists.com/calc/index.php?build=-N;4VPV1167sU-71;9;4TT;09289194;42;9;7FW0-DYGWYo8;9;9;9;9;9;9;9;93-6A

RedCobra

bad link

/15 char

Tricare.2946:

bad link

/15 char

Manually copy and paste it. You should know this by now.

Tricare.2946:

bad link

/15 char

Heres the basics for you

You might want to take it one word at a time in case your brain sets on fire

Select the URL hold control and press C then paste into the address bar at the top of your browser. simples

But seriously thats a bit rude, no feedback no comment just the sentence “Bad Link” gee thanks

I was on my phone, link didn’t work either way. i’ll keep quiet next time.

Here’s some rude feedback for you:

1. If he said it’s a “bad link”, it means he didn’t see the build. How do you provide feedback on a build you didn’t see?

2. You don’t have any runes/sigils in the build link – heck you were too lazy to even put on armour. Saying you run 100% bezerker is not enough detail if you want to provide a “build” for someone to follow/use.

3. What kind of build are you exactly?! You’re not a shatter mesmer, you’re not a phantasm, you’re not a condition mesmer, you’re not even a bunker. Which leads on to….

4. Where’s your damage coming from if you’re mostly on sceptre/torch? You spamming 1 1 1 1 1 1, a bugged i-bezerker and your i-mage throwing confusion with high power, crit dmg & fury for massive damage?

5. I can also dance around a zerg. So can thieves. What’s your point? Can you kill?

6. If it’s meant to be some sort of guide for your BUILD, go into more detail about HOW your BUILD works. The only thing you talked about was how to deal with a thief which was to go into stealth or block a few seconds after they go into stealth. Great job Einstein – you just taught the Mesmer community something new (that was sarcasm by the way)

7. Change your topic title – you aint killing no zerg with that build.

Rude feedback for rude players. Enjoy

Looks very similar to the build from this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Hidden-Fire-New-Mesmer-Build-WvW/first#post1982227

I also doubt it being a great zerg build, but it has it’s uses. Check out that thread, see what others have worked on.

Thank you for sharing your build with us, but that build makes no sense at all, sorry.

the damage comes from the greatsword please read, i switch out for fast damage, the damage from the scapter comes from the counter, sigil of fire on Greatsword and restore endurance on scepter, sigil of bloodlust on torch, armour is zerk obviously was that really that hard to work out :S

FLIMP.8172:

Here’s some rude feedback for you:

1. If he said it’s a “bad link”, it means he didn’t see the build. How do you provide feedback on a build you didn’t see?

2. You don’t have any runes/sigils in the build link – heck you were too lazy to even put on armour. Saying you run 100% bezerker is not enough detail if you want to provide a “build” for someone to follow/use.

3. What kind of build are you exactly?! You’re not a shatter mesmer, you’re not a phantasm, you’re not a condition mesmer, you’re not even a bunker. Which leads on to….

4. Where’s your damage coming from if you’re mostly on sceptre/torch? You spamming 1 1 1 1 1 1, a bugged i-bezerker and your i-mage throwing confusion with high power, crit dmg & fury for massive damage?

5. I can also dance around a zerg. So can thieves. What’s your point? Can you kill?

6. If it’s meant to be some sort of guide for your BUILD, go into more detail about HOW your BUILD works. The only thing you talked about was how to deal with a thief which was to go into stealth or block a few seconds after they go into stealth. Great job Einstein – you just taught the Mesmer community something new (that was sarcasm by the way)

7. Change your topic title – you aint killing no zerg with that build.

Rude feedback for rude players. Enjoy

nah no such thing as rude feedback, im happy its being critisised to be honest but to answer your points ill try my best

1) its a farely basic build explained in the huge amount of text beforehand, the skill comes from the tactics used please read

2)Sigil of fire on GS restore endurance sigil on scepter and the sigil of bloodlust on torch to stack power, superiour runes of the centaur so i dont have to waste the trait on extra speed for clones.

3) as for what build it is, why are you so stuck to these overused builds for mesmer, the builds tactic is damage cycles through damage avoidance. with GS being the Main damage supplier

4) yes actually damage comes from the 4 skill of the GS tbh but pls see above.

5) yes thieves can do this aswell however with the revealed that got updated on thieves make it really difficult to do this now sa i found out on my 80 thief getting pwned :P hence using the mesmer yes it does kill as most of the GS attack or MUlti hit, select a target at the back and your auto attack with the GS will hit through the zerg in a line and do large dps i need not say more.

6)well tbh all i hear is mesmers complaining that it is too easy for the thief to kill a mesmer through cloak and dagger on the clones, i addressed tihs issue quite specifically due to when fighting a zerg it will always be the thief that can get to you first and suprise you, you need that counter reserved for his second backstab.

7) This build works and id like to bring the value of the mesmer higher im not going to lie and say i run up to a zerg and kill them all in a couple of minutes no thats ludicrous, max zerg size to kill would be about 20 and thats if youre on your own, this can be done over the course of about 10-15mins but youll have to follow them.

thanks for the feedback and yeah if i do come across as rude i apologise but its the internet i mean to jest not anger :P

If you expect the greatsword phantasm to work in a zerg at all, you’re going to be rudely surprised. It will die instantly and do no damage.

Basically what you’ve got here are glass cannon traits…without the major traits to really do damage, and without the weapons to support it. It will be an unbelievably fragile build that won’t really end up doing a lot of damage.

Pyroatheist.9031:

If you expect the greatsword phantasm to work in a zerg at all, you’re going to be rudely surprised. It will die instantly and do no damage.

Basically what you’ve got here are glass cannon traits…without the major traits to really do damage, and without the weapons to support it. It will be an unbelievably fragile build that won’t really end up doing a lot of damage.

i can see where youre coming from but why would it instantly die, im invisible and i spawn the zerker why on gods earth would a full zerg be spamming aoe into themselves, yes correct they are very much galss cannon traits but id like you to elaborate a bit more, my main method of dealing damage to the zerg is to auto attack through the zerg and deal multiple hits, please dismiss that before saying i do 0 damage, i play attack and then instead of damage reduction i choose damage avoidance. the clones buy time to avoid being locked on and stealth breaks locks, dont pull a strawman argument please.

@RedCobra: Full zergs are filled with aoe, that’s how they work. The zerker would die instantly.

The greatsword does ok long range damage, but it isn’t very powerful until you combine it with the mantra traits for enhanced base damage, which you don’t have.

Additionally, your build is so squishy, you would probably kill yourself on retaliation after about 4-5 seconds of greatsword autoattacking into a zerg.

On top of that, greatsword autoattacks are extremely limited in their usefulness. They won’t hit anything on top of a wall, they often won’t hit anything on the ground when shooting off of a wall. It’s basically only a good weapon in open field combat, which is becoming more and more rare.

Lastly, your build has extremely little survivability. You take multiple stealths, but that doesn’t help when you’re getting pounded by aoes. You’ll end up with probably around 16k hp in that build, and the lowest armor possible. You simply don’t have the mobility or defense to last in any sort of zerg battle.

Pyroatheist.9031:

@RedCobra: Full zergs are filled with aoe, that’s how they work. The zerker would die instantly.

The greatsword does ok long range damage, but it isn’t very powerful until you combine it with the mantra traits for enhanced base damage, which you don’t have.

Additionally, your build is so squishy, you would probably kill yourself on retaliation after about 4-5 seconds of greatsword autoattacking into a zerg.

On top of that, greatsword autoattacks are extremely limited in their usefulness. They won’t hit anything on top of a wall, they often won’t hit anything on the ground when shooting off of a wall. It’s basically only a good weapon in open field combat, which is becoming more and more rare.

Lastly, your build has extremely little survivability. You take multiple stealths, but that doesn’t help when you’re getting pounded by aoes. You’ll end up with probably around 16k hp in that build, and the lowest armor possible. You simply don’t have the mobility or defense to last in any sort of zerg battle.

yep just spam the same argument i guess, just wait ill upload a video im gonna right down your name this works as i use it myself, no it isnt spammed with aoe and yes actually i have come across it one time where my illusion died but 99% of the time it flies through the zerg doing massive damage

I have a feeling the OP is referring to ten people as a zerg or something lol

If nothing else OPs logic is confusing… which is Mesmer like I guess.

That aside… look, if that build works for you keep doing what you’re doing. However don’t get upset when people are second guessing your questionable “tactics”.

Best of luck with it.

silas i completely agree im not getting offended :p it might seem like it but a like the conflict it means there is room for improvement but mesmer is a versatile class and you need to fit its skills to your own ability,yeah by zerg i am being a little weak on the term tbh, max size i would say 20 ppl not the large 50+ castle destroying zergs xD sorry if i confused ppl, i mean the zergs that clump when travelling from tower to tower.

Looks quite glass cannon to me.

I think I see the logic behind it.

You stay mostly in greatsword to attack from roughly max range doing high amounts of damage that can’t even be stopped by anti-projectile skills (love this about gsword!). If you get in trouble, you are making use of large amounts of stealth to either escape or gain the upperhand.

Basically, you are like a thief of sorts, but you gave up cloak&dagger to gain a laser beam of death, illusions, and butterflies :-)

I’m sure it’s actually pretty good in zerg fights as hitting hard is quite useful there, the Berserker loves crowds, and stealthing often gets a person off you as there is quite a bit more ADD in zerg fights given they have plenty of other targets to worry about when you disappear.

The worries I have are channeled attacks and AOEs as well as good players who spot glass cannons quite quickly. If spotted, you’re like a hare spotted by a raptor (bird, not dinosaur) …

Sebrent.3625:

Looks quite glass cannon to me.

I think I see the logic behind it.

You stay mostly in greatsword to attack from roughly max range doing high amounts of damage that can’t even be stopped by anti-projectile skills (love this about gsword!). If you get in trouble, you are making use of large amounts of stealth to either escape or gain the upperhand.

Basically, you are like a thief of sorts, but you gave up cloak&dagger to gain a laser beam of death, illusions, and butterflies :-)

I’m sure it’s actually pretty good in zerg fights as hitting hard is quite useful there, the Berserker loves crowds, and stealthing often gets a person off you as there is quite a bit more ADD in zerg fights given they have plenty of other targets to worry about when you disappear.

The worries I have are channeled attacks and AOEs as well as good players who spot glass cannons quite quickly. If spotted, you’re like a hare spotted by a raptor (bird, not dinosaur) …

^this

i think youre the first person who actually gets it i agree its hard when you get a thief or warrior that locks you down, i keep the scepter there for its counter yeah aoe’s can be a bit of a pain, i currently reworking another build but this is my first one, i change the traits and gear as i go along in wvw to address the issues that got me killed, eventually if i played enough wvw i would create the perfect build, if such thing exists

The perfect build is when your playstyle, class, and the current meta harmonize.
Watch the evolution of Osicat and SevenMirror’s videos. They’re even more interesting if that is what you’re focusing on.

An example would be Seven’s change from +Mind Wrack damage to +Illusion damage for his 10pt Domination trait. If you listen to him on the latest Mesmerized podcast, why he has made this change makes even more sense.