Guild Wars 2

Anet said, to report when Builds arent playable anymore after the changes, but Glamourbuild are one of those.
Yes, i know Glamourbuilds are not the best. But they are fun.

With the new Specialisation changes however i will not be able to play those anymore, because you removed or changed the traits that made those possible.

1: Dazzling Glamours got removed. This in conjunction with Blinding Befuddlement instantly applied confusion to enemies you casted Glamours on.

But more importantly
2: You changed Confusing Enchantments to Temporal Enchanter. Confusing Enchantments made the build what it was and tons of fun, especially in WvW where you could apply small amounts of confusion to a whole zerg.

Your reasoning for changing confusion to super speed was, because it didnt feel intuitive for glamours. However Super Speed is not better in that regard and boring on top of that.
Lets go trough all Glamours:
1. Timewarp: While it is true you do not want to cast this on enemies, you also do not want to leave it either so super speed is rather wasted, considering you wont use this in PvP.

2. Veil: Here superspeed without a doubt fits perfectly. However i think it is boring, because with superspeed it will just do what it does better. There is no change in playstyle or interesting plays. You will still just put it in front of your Zerg. With confusion you could lure your opponent through it for more confusion or use it as area denial.

3: Nullfield: While Nullfield is great when used on allies, it is even better when used on enemies. Why? There are way better condi-removals, but for boonremoval there are far fewer options. Therefore confusion is also better used on here.

And last
4: Feedback: This has to be used on an enemy and thus superspeed would often be wasted. Just like Superspeed fits Veil perfectly, confusion fits feedback perfectly(because it atleast applies 2 Stacks).

So please reconsider especially the change to Confusing Enchantments/Temporal Enchanter.

Thanks for reading

Actually, you misunderstood the dev comment. It was more like, “If you find a build that hasn’t changed after the spec revamp, let us know about it so we can break it.”

Regardless what the devs said you quite obviously confused some stuff…

It’s pretty ironic that even people running Glamour builds apparently aren’t always aware of Temporal Enchanter. But why blame them… it has been crap and it will remain crap if they don’t rework it.

Kaireno.3824:

But more importantly
2: You changed Confusing Enchantments to Temporal Enchanter. Confusing Enchantments made the build what it was and tons of fun, especially in WvW where you could apply small amounts of confusion to a whole zerg.

Not meaning to be harsh but that’s just plain false.

As mentioned above, Temporal Enchanter already exists. The devs simply removed all offensive Glamour traits and gave us Wells to fill the spot of offensive area effects. If you want to play something similar to old Glamour builds you will have to switch to Wells.

• Pick Duelling (Confusion on crit)
• Pick Chronomancy
• Pick at least one Well, preferably two (those with the lowest cooldowns)

This basic set up should enable you to dish out some decent amount of Confusion if your crit chance is high enough. If you add Well of Gravity you might as well go for Mistrust in Duelling (area Confusion on interrupt). Pistol with the new weapon trait should also be extremly handy. GS and Staff should be great for more crits as well.

You are right, though. Temporal Enchanter needs work.

We lose a blind and a couple confusion (depends how traited) on skills with 40 sec + cooldowns… Only to gain confusion on crits as well as many other methods and blinds on shatters our core class mechanic…

Oh no! How horrible… How will I be able to slot nothing but glamors now?

Daishi.6027:

We lose a blind and a couple confusion (depends how traited) on skills with 40 sec + cooldowns… Only to gain confusion on crits as well as many other methods and blinds on shatters our core class mechanic…

Oh no! How horrible… How will I be able to slot nothing but glamors now?

Dazzling Glamours Is A seriously super underrated trait, you make it sound like some of those traits were completely useless.

Blind on shatter is entirely different since it blinds the area around you. Feedback with Dazzling glamours provide support by ensuring a safe stomp for a teammate, on a 600 range, INSTANT.

StickerHappy.8052:

Daishi.6027:

We lose a blind and a couple confusion (depends how traited) on skills with 40 sec + cooldowns… Only to gain confusion on crits as well as many other methods and blinds on shatters our core class mechanic…

Oh no! How horrible… How will I be able to slot nothing but glamors now?

Dazzling Glamours Is A seriously super underrated trait, you make it sound like some of those traits were completely useless.

Blind on shatter is entirely different since it blinds the area around you. Feedback with Dazzling glamours provide support by ensuring a safe stomp for a teammate, on a 600 range, INSTANT.

I didn’t mean to imply they were useless. I mean sure, traited glamors are objectively stronger than untrained. Blind I admit to being one of the stronger.

But what I ultimetly mean to imply is that you get almost if not all the same tools that are in some cases more powerful. But are not tied to glamor traits… Meaning if you have fun running such a build you still can with mostly the same effectiveness. Just effects come from different sources.

Just to throw out there tho, I had a 3v3 on point: mirror blade to summon a clone to body block a war’s knock down for an ally is just as sweet and needs no investment other than bringing a weapon that is more or less meta.

Daishi.6027:

StickerHappy.8052:

Daishi.6027:

We lose a blind and a couple confusion (depends how traited) on skills with 40 sec + cooldowns… Only to gain confusion on crits as well as many other methods and blinds on shatters our core class mechanic…

Oh no! How horrible… How will I be able to slot nothing but glamors now?

Dazzling Glamours Is A seriously super underrated trait, you make it sound like some of those traits were completely useless.

Blind on shatter is entirely different since it blinds the area around you. Feedback with Dazzling glamours provide support by ensuring a safe stomp for a teammate, on a 600 range, INSTANT.

I didn mean to imply they were useless. I mean sure, traited glamors are objectively stronger than untrained. Blind I admit to being one of the stronger.

But what I ultimetly mean to imply is that you get almost all the same tools that are in some cases more powerful. But are not tied to glamor traits… Meaning of you have fun running such a build you still can with mostly the same effectiveness just effects come from different sources.

Just to throw out there tho, I had a 3v3 on point: mirror blade to summon a clone to body block a war’s knock down for an ally is just as sweet and needs no investment other than bringing a weapon that is more or less meta.

Point taken, Dazzling glamours was the only one useful tho. But now with the confusion revamp, I bet if Confusing Enchantments, Dazzling and Blinding Beffudlement will be taken more. It’s just sad they removed it.

Altho they didn’t literally said they removed it, they just never mentioned it. Who knows, they might still think about those traits.

As It stands as of now, Glamour builds will be obselete, as there is only 1 trait affecting them, which is also A GM trait.

Glamours are also facing heavy competition on the utility slots vs Wells. (assuming you go chrono)

StickerHappy.8052:

Daishi.6027:

StickerHappy.8052:

Daishi.6027:

We lose a blind and a couple confusion (depends how traited) on skills with 40 sec + cooldowns… Only to gain confusion on crits as well as many other methods and blinds on shatters our core class mechanic…

Oh no! How horrible… How will I be able to slot nothing but glamors now?

Dazzling Glamours Is A seriously super underrated trait, you make it sound like some of those traits were completely useless.

Blind on shatter is entirely different since it blinds the area around you. Feedback with Dazzling glamours provide support by ensuring a safe stomp for a teammate, on a 600 range, INSTANT.

I didn mean to imply they were useless. I mean sure, traited glamors are objectively stronger than untrained. Blind I admit to being one of the stronger.

But what I ultimetly mean to imply is that you get almost all the same tools that are in some cases more powerful. But are not tied to glamor traits… Meaning of you have fun running such a build you still can with mostly the same effectiveness just effects come from different sources.

Just to throw out there tho, I had a 3v3 on point: mirror blade to summon a clone to body block a war’s knock down for an ally is just as sweet and needs no investment other than bringing a weapon that is more or less meta.

Point taken, Dazzling glamours was the only one useful tho. But now with the confusion revamp, I bet if Confusing Enchantments, Dazzling and Blinding Beffudlement will be taken more. It’s just sad they removed it.

Altho they didn’t literally said they removed it, they just never mentioned it. Who knows, they might still think about those traits.

As It stands as of now, Glamour builds will be obselete, as there is only 1 trait affecting them, which is also A GM trait.

Glamours are also facing heavy competition on the utility slots vs Wells. (assuming you go chrono)

Glamour builds have been obsolete for a long time though. Regardless of what you could do with them now and then, they’ve been objectively worse than other builds in every single style of play since the nerf. This is just tidying things up a bit, and giving them a slightly different role.

StickerHappy.8052:

As It stands as of now, Glamour builds will be obselete, as there is only 1 trait affecting them, which is also A GM trait.

Glamours are also facing heavy competition on the utility slots vs Wells. (assuming you go chrono)

I dunno, Feedback and Null Field are still pretty aces skills, even if you can’t trait them to be even better. Even in a Chronomancer build, I’d be highly inclined to take at least one of those two.

So, yeah, the idea of a “Glamour build” is definitely dead, but it’s not like Glamours will be off our skill bars or anything.

If these changes kill a build that was already super neich but apperently fun. (tho I personally don’t see it… But who am I to judge we all have our own interests.)

Then it’s just the players killing it. Not the devs design choices.

We wind up in a situation where players can still run 4 glamors and it be the same status quo if not stronger than the current in terms of effectiveness.

If players who claim it’s fun stop after the changes then it must not have been as fun as they thought….

Unless they REALLY enjoy putting a rather short stack or two of confusion on a bunch of people…

Tho if we’re looking for buffed trait suggestions how about one that does not allow enemies to enter or leave without being knocked down? Turn them into CC.

Much more valuable and justifies the C/D

Glamour, IMO, has been deader than a Necro’s Flesh Golem ever since the WvW Confusion Debacle. Hell, at least they handed us some new ways to slap Confusion on fools.

Let’s face it, while the glamour skills themselves are decent, their offensive traits are horrible. I even doubt anyone will use blinding befuddlement for its confusion proc post HoT, its kind of like an extra compare to the 33% confusion duration increase.

With its current trait setup, you have one confusion on enter or exit and one confusion when cast it on opponent, via blind and it only applies to one person a time due to 5s ICD (even funnier, that ICD will still be there after HoT). At best you get 2 stacks of confusions on enemies with those CD……I wouldn’t feel too much about changing glamour trait setups.

Even if those nerfs have been removed, it’s questionable whether glamour mesmers contribute to zerg fight due to how experienced zergs are adapted to conditions by now.

Only thing that needs change is make feedback cast on where you want and maybe let glamours give longer super speed. But it’ll take a whole lot more work to make it worthy in offense.

On Temporal Enchantment:

• This skill needs a rework. Super speed only makes sense on Portal/Veil, but is near useless on Nullfield and pretty tricky to use on Feedback.
• To make up for the above, maybe they could simply add a pulsing stack of confusion. (7 stacks on Null, 8 on Feedback) This wouldn’t be the best for Veil/Port but would be great on the other two.

On Glamours In General

• The idea of a “glamour build” has long since been gone, and I’m not quite sure there is a need to bring them back to their glory.
• With the biggest detractor gone (long CDs), they’ll see more use than ever before. In PvE content, our utilities go through a revolving door depending on circumstance, so nothing will change here. In PvP, I think we’ll see more use. WvW, not too sure, but it looks like better than before. All of the offensive traits have been moved to the Dueling tree.

Fay.2357:

Glamour builds have been obsolete for a long time though. Regardless of what you could do with them now and then, they’ve been objectively worse than other builds in every single style of play since the nerf.

I don’t play glamour builds but I’ll have to disagree with this. Viable or not this game is to be played whie have fun; its a game. If he/she chooses to play glamour builds because its fun for him/her there should be no reason to say he shouldn’t be playing it because its not viable. My build in no way is viable. But it works for me.

CobraPolo.1723:

Fay.2357:

Glamour builds have been obsolete for a long time though. Regardless of what you could do with them now and then, they’ve been objectively worse than other builds in every single style of play since the nerf.

I don’t play glamour builds but I’ll have to disagree with this. Viable or not this game is to be played whie have fun; its a game. If he/she chooses to play glamour builds because its fun for him/her there should be no reason to say he shouldn’t be playing it because its not viable. My build in no way is viable. But it works for me.

I think you didn’t read what I said.

You’re saying that you can still have fun with them.

I’m saying that they’re bad, and all other builds are a better choice, perform more effectively, and do more.

These are not mutually exclusive statements.

I agree that Glamours have suffered considerably due to the various nerfs they have received since launch:

Null Field used to be quite powerful when it removed all boons from enemies and all conditions from allies per pulse … not it removes one from enemies and one condition from allies per pulse.

This has made Null Field sub-optimal boon removal compared to other options (Shattered Concentration, Greatsword, Sword, etc.). It has also made it sub-optimal condition removal as you must stay within its AOE to remove more than one condition. It’s only pros at the moment are that it supports the group (so does MoResolve) and is an Ethereal combo field.

Glamour traits were better before they were nerfed to protect zergs which will always elicit a “why the —-- did we protect zergs” response from me. This coupled with the reduction to confusion damage (because cleansing or not attacking for Xs was “too hard”) made Glamours even less useful.

Veil used to stack its stealth with itself … and provide more than 2s untraited …

Portal will always be useful because it’s portal. It allows for some shenanigans.

Veil was more useful when you could also stack its stealth by running through it multiple times, but it has some use and can be used as a Combo Field … though the Combo Field use isn’t useful given why you usually take Veil.

Feedback is great for stopping projectiles but the way it is cast on a target limits its uses and can be a pain in the butt at times … it largely restricts how we can use it.

Null Field is sub-optimal in most scenarios. Unless you are using it for Chaos Armor … which, with the new specializations, might be its one saving grace.

I will miss dazzling glamours in fractals. When we didn’t have standstorm from Elementalists or a Thief to spam blind, it was a nice way to provide some extra blind for the group whenever we needed to stack … it was always lackluster compared to these other options though.

I agree that super speed is bad for Glamours right now.

• Portal … sure, we run out of the portal a bit quicker … not bad but not great.
• Veil … sure, we run a bit quicker while stealthed … not bad but not great.
• Feedback … so I summon it on my target and then I have to go run into it to get the speed … really?!
• Null Field … yay I can move faster … but I want to stay in it for the condition removal pulses … or I have to run into it since I cast it on my opponent to strip their boons.

It’s extremely lackluster and one of those traits that I’m hoping we’ll see changed due to looking so pathetic compared to all the other options.

Too be fair, ANet took care of most Glamour related issues in some way. We already talked about the more obvious things like Wells now being the offensive area effect options. But there are others.

Sebrent.3625:

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Veil used to stack its stealth with itself … and provide more than 2s untraited … […]

I will miss dazzling glamours in fractals. When we didn’t have standstorm from Elementalists or a Thief to spam blind, it was a nice way to provide some extra blind for the group whenever we needed to stack … it was always lackluster compared to these other options though…

First, the buffed PU effect caters MI and Veil. It does increase selfish survivability but definitely also has an effect on group utility. Personally, I always thought that Mesmers group stealths should be stronger – especially when looking at Thief with SA and all the blast finishers etc. I got to admit that I didn’t aspect a PU buff, though.

Second, if you liked the Blind on Dazzling Glamours, there still is Blinding Dissipation.

Ironically, most things what Glamours were ever good at – or at least the go to option on Mesmers – are now handed to other skills or mechanics. That’s okay if Glamours still have a spot. But I currently doubt it (despite reflect shenanigangs or Portal…). I really hope that especially Nullfield and Temporal Enchanter will see some improvements in the near future. Otherwise Glamours got shafted pretty badly.

Xaylin.1860:

Too be fair, ANet took care of most Glamour related issues in some way. We already talked about the more obvious things like Wells now being the offensive area effect options. But there are others.

Sebrent.3625:

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Veil used to stack its stealth with itself … and provide more than 2s untraited … […]

I will miss dazzling glamours in fractals. When we didn’t have standstorm from Elementalists or a Thief to spam blind, it was a nice way to provide some extra blind for the group whenever we needed to stack … it was always lackluster compared to these other options though…

First, the buffed PU effect caters MI and Veil. It does increase selfish survivability but definitely also has an effect on group utility. Personally, I always thought that Mesmers group stealths should be stronger – especially when looking at Thief with SA and all the blast finishers etc. I got to admit that I didn’t aspect a PU buff, though.

Second, if you liked the Blind on Dazzling Glamours, there still is Blinding Dissipation.

Ironically, most things what Glamours were ever good at – or at least the go to option on Mesmers – are now handed to other skills or mechanics. That’s okay if Glamours still have a spot. But I currently doubt it (despite reflect shenanigangs or Portal…). I really hope that especially Nullfield and Temporal Enchanter will see some improvements in the near future. Otherwise Glamours got shafted pretty badly.

Hb superspeed on feedback? on Nullfield? I would say they are going the wrong direction on the new traits.

“The idea of a “glamour build” has long since been gone, and I’m not quite sure there is a need to bring them back to their glory.”

Because why allow for variety when we can strengthen the one shatter build more?

Personally, I’m not looking for “Glamour build” … but it would be nice if:
(1) We continue to have reasons to take them
(2) Traits for Glamours aren’t trash … otherwise we have a trash trait (again).

StickerHappy.8052:

Hb superspeed on feedback? on Nullfield? I would say they are going the wrong direction on the new traits.

I never said that Temporal Enchanter was good. Quite the opposite.

CobraPolo.1723:

Fay.2357:

Glamour builds have been obsolete for a long time though. Regardless of what you could do with them now and then, they’ve been objectively worse than other builds in every single style of play since the nerf.

I don’t play glamour builds but I’ll have to disagree with this. Viable or not this game is to be played whie have fun; its a game. If he/she chooses to play glamour builds because its fun for him/her there should be no reason to say he shouldn’t be playing it because its not viable. My build in no way is viable. But it works for me.

Fun =/= good

Your build can be fun, and if you enjoy it, no one is stopping you. I personally find the most fun in winning, so I will play the best build that is out there.