Guild Wars 2

So last night and today I tried the new trait Triumphant Distortion , because it was the only thing I was even slightly interested in. I have 2 questions for the developers :

1. At what point did we decide the “no cool down” was going away ?

2. How did you settle on 10 seconds ?

This has taken an otherwise interesting mechanic (a way for a more burst built mesmer to have some survive-ability )into 1 more useless trait. Between this disappointment and the major decrease in burst from shatter (has anyone looked into if this is critting post patch ? Sure doesn’t seem like it to me ) am I to assume that you guys want us to all roll condi mesmers ?

I had assumed that this trait option was to try and ween some people off the current pu condi mesmer meta builds, than you boost perplexity runes and nerf this before it even gets implemented.

General thoughts and observations

Fundamentally I think there is one major problem with mesmer that continues to get overlooked and why the meta builds are being used ( I despise them and wont use it) By your own admission Mesmer is a Class built on deception , than of course there is that little thing called target. Clones/ phantasms / illusions etc don’t deceive anyone without the use of stealth because all they have to do is target the real mesmer once ( usually before the first shot is fired) and without the use of stealth no amount of illusions is going to trick them into anything, they are automatically locked into the right target. The phantasms etc have such a low health pool that they really are not much of a concern. Bottom line is a change needs to be made here be it loss of target when illusion is summoned or another mechanic like I thought you were creating.

Down skills

Why is there a clear marking over the head of a downed mesmer so it is clear which one is the illusion and which one is real ?(once again no deception here to anyone who has played longer than a week) Why do we not have ground targeting for our blink skill while down like thieves do? I have had suggestions brought up from other classes like rather than the blink it summons 3 illusions none marked and people have to figure out which one, but currently what exists is useless and 7 out of 10 times leaves you in the AOE of a spike flag anyhow .

Thanks for taking the time to read my concerns and answer my questions

Bumping this because I was trying out one of these builds (2/6/0/0/6) in WvW last night.

Cooldown is 10 seconds (splitting hairs here, since 10 isn’t 0, either) and worst of all, the distortion granted by this trait does not interact with Masterful Reflection (Illusions4).

Feels to me that the non-interaction is an oversight since they just fixed the distortion on signet activation this patch.

We can only hope it’s an oversight, silverfire. Using the same build, atm, and noticed that issue. (sobs)

Advent.6193:

We can only hope it’s an oversight, silverfire. Using the same build, atm, and noticed that issue. (sobs)

Don’t worry, it’ll be fixed in 2 years. That’s just how long it took them to fix the signet distortion.

Pyroathiest.4168:

Don’t worry, it’ll be fixed in 2 years. That’s just how long it took them to fix the signet distortion.

And a year after that, we’ll finally have:

• IE working with clones
• A proper rangefinder on Portals

I swear. You try to believe in folks…

I figured that we would get it with no cooldown, we’d try out the trait, decides it isn’t really that great, never use it and then the pvp community would start crying about how OP it is until anet nerfed it. Just like Moa.

Guess Anet just decided to save us all some time.

silverfire.2547:

Bumping this because I was trying out one of these builds (2/6/0/0/6) in WvW last night.

Cooldown is 10 seconds (splitting hairs here, since 10 isn’t 0, either) and worst of all, the distortion granted by this trait does not interact with Masterful Reflection (Illusions4).

Feels to me that the non-interaction is an oversight since they just fixed the distortion on signet activation this patch.

I do have it working with Masterful Reflection, strange about CD though it seems to be fluctuating .. First night I thought it was 3 seconds … Your saying 10 I have had 20 but regardless we were told no cool down. Let’s hope they answer

ToDblD.9413:

I do have it working with Masterful Reflection, strange about CD though it seems to be fluctuating .. First night I thought it was 3 seconds … Your saying 10 I have had 20 but regardless we were told no cool down. Let’s hope they answer

Huh. That’s odd.

I haven’t gone as far as to see whether projectiles are actually being reflected, but the second buff (the one that shows up in buff bar looking like the Elementalist’s Arcane Shield icon) doesn’t appear, and the visual effect on me is the same as the vanilla Distortion, not the traited Distortion.

I could be wrong, though. Admittedly, the cheese build I’m running it with has me frantically mashing my dodge key trying not to waste any Sigil of Stamina + Sigil of Energy procs…

Ya I do I turn to crystal and it reflects wish we could get a dev response here

Tested it several times with Masterful Reflection and it did not work with Masterful Reflection. No crystal image graphic and no reflect.

It’s really the only thing that would make it somewhat viable, too.

I also rly love how “equal” different professions are handled in this game.

New Warrior Trait “Burst Precision” gives 100% critchance for burstskills.
Quote by the Devs: “We made it 100%. If it turns out to be to strong, we’ll nerf it”.

On the other side, we have Triumphant Distortion, which was said to have no cooldown and what do we end up with?

Being objective. Ever heard of it ANet?

I can’t get a sense for the actual cooldown. There is one, but it feels incosistent. I want to say 3-5 seconds. It could be 10 seconds and it triggers at the start of the distortion, thus the oddities on when it starts up next.

Also, it does not trigger from bosses. Only regular mobs will proc Triumphant Distortion.

I’d like to bump this thread, since I’m also wondering about that “no cooldown” change with this trait.

Pyroathiest.4168:

Advent.6193:

We can only hope it’s an oversight, silverfire. Using the same build, atm, and noticed that issue. (sobs)

Don’t worry, it’ll be fixed in 2 years. That’s just how long it took them to fix the signet distortion.

Whats this? Pyro being optimistic…?

This will probably get the “working as intended” seal of approval from the devs… we arent allowed to have nice things.

Just checked. For me anyway, TD procced on every mob kill, but never hit reflections, while every hit signet did proc reflect.
So Blurred Signets and Masterful Reflection were working. But not with TD.

I’ve got my eye on this one and I would bet my bottle of wine that Osicat is all over it.

Osicat, me, Gods only know who else. Although, I love how TD was supposed to have no ICD. >.>

Advent.6193:

Osicat, me, Gods only know who else. Although, I love how TD was supposed to have no ICD. >.>

Yep, it would be nice. But, we’re mesmers….

#allisvain
Step away from my butterflies, ANet!

I wonder how long we will wait for a reply. I thought it was 2 straight forward questions, the fact they are either not going to respond or carefully crafting a response does not make our situation seem any more promising.

ToDblD.9413:

I wonder how long we will wait for a reply. I thought it was 2 straight forward questions, the fact they are either not going to respond or carefully crafting a response does not make our situation seem any more promising.

“They” haven’t seen this thread, and they don’t care.

Edit: This is why I shouldn’t post on the forums when I’m tired.

“ring ring ring” what’s that mr president? ok i’ll let them know. guys, i just got off the phone with the president of anet…he said enjoy the bananas

Aethgar, funny enough i switched builds and went back and now no matter what as you said can not get MR to proc with it

Not sure what it said before, but the GW2 Wiki was updated April 22nd and it specifically says that it “Does not interact with Masterful Reflection. "

Of course it does. First, an unexpected ICD … now, a tacit admission of the Trait not working with MR. Why am I not remotely surprised?

why is it so hard to get a response in here ? … maybe i should have posted this in the warrior forums .. in fact i think i will

They’ll just say that you’re “spam-posting,” basically. Then they’ll delete one of the posts. Trust me, I’ve had it happen before.

ToDblD.9413:

why is it so hard to get a response in here ? … maybe i should have posted this in the warrior forums .. in fact i think i will

hmm maybe we should do that from now on. lets post our threads in war forum im sure anet will see it. im still mad at myself that i killed that anet dev in wvw… he was on war and i was full glam at the time and a few weeks later they announced the glame nerf…. …..yeah guys so next time u see an anet tag, do not attack the dev, let him kill u, take your armor off, /sleep

kitten on that, man. They’ll nerf my main two (Mes and Thief), anyway. So their red-named self is dead.

I really don’t get the CD on it, either.

How was the non-CD version problematic? Because Mesmers could survive in zerg combat? How dare they!

they wouldnt know they nerfed before release

Just bumping so that one day we might get an answer

Hey, I’d like to go ahead and bump this thread since I was really excited about this trait and now it seems to be yet another half-second flashy Mesmer mechanic with little practicality in gameplay, yet is a grandmaster trait.

yay broken traits

bumping because mesmer has 99 problems and developer attention is one of em

The only reason why I can see it having an ICD is if they had it coded where it stacked like F4 Distortion so you could potentially get permanent Invulnerability (which might screw up with AI causing yourself to not be able to hit them after a while). That second part is entirely conjecture on my part.

Anyways, the only way I can see it being useful/viable for Mesmers is by having a 3 second ICD starting from when it procs (“100%” uptime, assuming you get a kill every 3 seconds as soon as it ends) or by having it refresh like Chaos Armor (instead of stacking, it simply refreshes duration to 3s if it’s less than 3s).

Its a good trait when you’re in a guild who can actually farm blobs. Other than that it sucks.

Doiid, I’ve seen you’re using that trait. I’m using the typical 20/20/0/0/30 boon ripping, but don’t know if Triumphant Distortion is worth over Shattered Concentration.

Well its either full tank boon strip or full zerker shatter build. Only thing that annoys me is the kittened retaliation. Without that, this trait would come out as viable. Why? Because you’re timing immunity’s like that then. If your timing is good enough you should be able to avoid most of the damage, or at least the hard hitting ones. Sadly, at the moment you will still get 14k retal damage while forces you to use distortion really early in the fight. Also, you shouldn’t use any other weapon besides sword/torch or sword/focus with 10-30-0-0-30. You probably want something like;
energy sigil on both swords and restoration/endurance on kill sigil on torch and focus. Like that you can still get the free dodge on swap and you get good effects for killing people.
Do note that this is only good when you’re farming blobs. Other than that against guilds I would either run focus backline or if you wanna go melee bomb, replace the ‘’on kill’’ sigil with fire or hydromancy.

Idk if I should label it as better or worse. It highly depends on what you want to use it for. With 20-20-0-0-30 you mainly wanna go like really tanky and go for support mainly. With 10-30-0-0-30 you actually wanna bomb people in nearly full zerker.

i use it in my roaming spec, if it wouldnt have icd it would be awesome, it has icd so ..well…

anyway i use it as roamer coz i mostly face more than 1 enemy, during stomping one i either stealth or use shatter invulnerablity, its used up then i dont have much stealth etc in most cases (defensive abilitys) so the 3 seconds of free time to get urself rdy is nice and saved me several times

I gave Triumphant Distortion a whirl last week with my shatter build and it really is a useless Grandmaster trait. For something so situational it really really needs to have that ICD removed or at least reduced so a Mesmer can utilise this trait in some meaningful way.

Was looking at TD last night, and hovering over the trait I can see a little 10 with a circular arrow in the upper right corner of the description. It seems they’re admitting it has a 10 second cooldown.

It’s ok though, I can get extra healing done now after interrupting someone. Totally excited to see that trait… /sarcasm

http://www.twitch.tv/doiidrg/b/532140338
Raid in eb this night with Triumphant Distortion. Fun fights are at:
24;45
39;00
55;20