Unfavourable Matchup
Hello there,
Don’t really know how to start this one, so I guess I’ll just give you a quick overview. I’m playing the standard Double Ranged (and switch to Gs/SwTorch if the enemy team runs a paintrain too), my thief-buddy usually runs either Executioner D/P or Panic Strike. Normally this works out relatively fine, but in recent matches we ran into another kind of paintrain, Mediguard+Shattermes (SwTorch variant commonly) and we’re having huge issues with that. Don’t get the wrong impression, our mobility still works in favour of us, but sometimes we’ve got to take on the 2v2 and that’s when things go South. I had my share of problems with Mediguards in duels, but nowadays I’m relatively confident to take them out. But paired with a mes it’s a huge P in the D. Worked out well at first though, I pressured the guard heavily enough for my thief to snack the mesmer, but after they changed their focus on my kitten it was an uphill struggle, we can’t really take out the mes first because the moment my thief pops out of stealth, the guard snacks him and I can only kite for so long against the pressure of both + SwTorch can outstealth me because I usually run Moa. Hiding in a refuge midfight doesn’t work because either we’re eating damage from Scepter 2 or Whirling Wrath or just get knocked out by iWave. Any advice other than l2p?
Regards
WhateverCorax
Sorry for possible mistakes, English isn’t my mother tongue
There’s a few factors that may help you out, as both of those 2v2 team comps can compliment each other well. You’ve got to think about what target will be easier for you and your thirf to kill the most effectively. Generally double ranged shatter mesmers are easy kills for thieves because they don’t have much of a way to kite them. Moa is good, but can be hard to land on other mesmers, and you have to watch out for blocking/ dodging the moa from guards. Sometimes something as easy as getting the moa on guard first so you can effectively destroy them. Another factor may be your weapon choice. Staff is generally better for kiting and the auto attack hits multiple targets which can help with things like condi pressure, boons and killing mesmer clones before they can shatter.
Medi guards and most mesmers hate conditions, and a meditation guard generally has to use all of his good defensive skills to play offensively, which can leave him very open. Boonstrip him first before having your thief go in there with basilisk venom
I say focus the DPS guard. I wouldn’t always say it’s a good idea to use Moa, in some cases it’s really nice but if you can win without it, try to win without it.
Sword immobilize into thief basilisk into thief steal into stolen ability is more than enough time for you two to kill the guardian or at least make him blow all his cooldowns which means he’ll be an easy kill, but that’s also CD heavy on you, you should be fine with 1 CC and a coordinated burst.
If you get focused by both, the thief should be free to attack the mesmer, and should be able to kill him quicker than you should die to the DPS guard, then you’re 2v1 against DPS guard.
Also, if you’re running staff, get your thief to attack the mesmer and make the 2v2 into 2 1v1s. You should win against a DPS guard if you have staff(it’s very doable with it). Staff clones are very, very good against DPS guard and your thief should win against mesmer.
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