Upcoming Shatter & Mantras Overhaul

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Posted by: Dastion.3106

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Okay, so the title and the source are a joke – but I do have, what I feel, are two good suggestions for the Shatter mechanic and Mantras. This post was originally a gag written from ANet’s supposed viewpoint, but as you can see in the first couple of responses – that apparently didn’t go over well. I guess if I want to try and pretend to be ANet I need to learn to be succinct (like that will ever happen).

Anyhow, here are my QoL suggestions for these two aspects of the class:

Shatter Suggestions

Mesmer Shatters are highly unreliable. I find that in some parts of the game I can easily manage my Shatters and use them to their full, or at least partial, effectiveness. However, in other areas of the game my Illusions have a snow ball’s chance in hell of surviving long enough for me to summon 3, let alone get them all to the target safely. While my suggestion is far from a perfect solution, I do think that it would go a long way towards adding some much needed reliability to the mechanic.

This idea is sort of based off of how Mind Wrack currently works – the damage per Illusion goes down as you Shatter more Illusions, but the toal damage goes up. Therefore, I suggest that Shatter effects scale in a diminishing returns fashion. Using CoF as an example, rather than having each Illusion inflict a single stack of Confusion have the CoF effect inflict two stacks of Confusion the first time a target is hit by it. If they are hit by a second or third Illusion, have them take a diminished effect of only 1 stack of Confusion. Similarly, Mind Wrack might deal 600 damage from the first Illusion that hits a target, but the second and third would only deal 200. Note that this is regardless of which Illusion hits the target. The first illusion to hit them does the full (in diminished) effect and any additional hits are diminished. If you Mind Wracked three separate targets with different Illusions and with no overlap then each would take 600 damage. Distortion would work much the same, granting 2s duration for the first Illusion but only adding 0.5s for each additional Illusion Shattered.

In this way, you front-load much of the mechanic’s effects and make single Illusion shatters much more viable while not making 3 Illusion shatters more potent. It allows ANet to more freely design encounters with periods of massive AoE without completely negating our profession.

Mantra Suggestions

Mantras are a fun idea, but I – personally – find them tedious. Manually recharging a skill is not fun, no matter how unique a skill-type it is. Having a utility skill that you sometimes feel forced to use the last charge of so that you can manually recharge it to full just isn’t ideal.

My suggestion is to remove the manual charge from Mantras and instead have them gain charges at set intervals. Essentially, they’re a skill that can recharge itself twice, allowing you to pace your uses or else blow them all quickly. It allows for Empowered Mantra based builds to actually use their Mantras or for someone to throw a Mantra into their build for it’s effect without needing to babysit the skill. I understand that some people may be diehards for manually dazing themselves to recharge their skills, but I think this way would open up a lot more feasible build options for players.

(edited by Dastion.3106)

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Posted by: Curunen.8729

Curunen.8729

Tl;dr, and no I didn’t fall for this one.

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Posted by: EverythingEnds.4261

EverythingEnds.4261


why did yo ueven try to fool anybody with this?
It is much too long and has no source.

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Posted by: Dastion.3106

Dastion.3106

Tl;dr, and no I didn’t fall for this one.

I actually meant to trim it down this morning before posting it. However, apparently if you install windows 8.1 on April Fool’s day your keyboard rebels and decides not to be recognized. :-/


why did yo ueven try to fool anybody with this?
It is much too long and has no source.

I kinda figured that the “a snow ball’s chance in hell act” joke at the very beginning was a dead giveaway. And I trimmed it down, I just had to do so on a different device because of the aforementioned keyboard revolt.

And of course there is a source, I moved it to the top for you. :P

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Posted by: EverythingEnds.4261

EverythingEnds.4261

I actually meant to trim it down this morning before posting it. However, apparently if you install windows 8.1 on April Fool’s day your keyboard rebels and decides not to be recognized. :-/

That’s called Kharma. Not because it punishes you on April’s fools Day, more because it punishes you for using windows 8.
…And it’s a much better joke than yours :P

And of course there is a source, I moved it to the top for you. :P

Great, so everybody klicking on it will immediatly see it’s a joke, before he even started reading it. At least this saves a lot of time

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Posted by: Dastion.3106

Dastion.3106

I actually meant to trim it down this morning before posting it. However, apparently if you install windows 8.1 on April Fool’s day your keyboard rebels and decides not to be recognized. :-/

That’s called Kharma. Not because it punishes you on April’s fools Day, more because it punishes you for using windows 8.
…And it’s a much better joke than yours :P

And of course there is a source, I moved it to the top for you. :P

Great, so everybody klicking on it will immediatly see it’s a joke, before he even started reading it. At least this saves a lot of time

Not very nice, are you? Oh well, I’m sorry my attempt was worthy of such efforts to make me feel like crap for making it. I thought I’d post some obviously too straight-forward and basic QoL changes as the gag. The point being to provide a joke, and also provide a means for discussion – the set-up was a joke but the changes were meant to sound realistic. Instead all I get ridicule? Sigh, now I remember why I don’t post here as much…

(I did get one nice response from someone who took this for just a suggestion instead of the joke it was intended to be, you deleted your post when you realized it was a joke, but I did want to say I appreciated it)

:(

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Posted by: Curunen.8729

Curunen.8729

I actually meant to trim it down this morning before posting it. However, apparently if you install windows 8.1 on April Fool’s day your keyboard rebels and decides not to be recognized. :-/

That’s called Kharma. Not because it punishes you on April’s fools Day, more because it punishes you for using windows 8.
…And it’s a much better joke than yours :P

And of course there is a source, I moved it to the top for you. :P

Great, so everybody klicking on it will immediatly see it’s a joke, before he even started reading it. At least this saves a lot of time

Not very nice, are you? Oh well, I’m sorry my attempt was worthy of such efforts to make me feel like crap for making it. I thought I’d post some obviously too straight-forward and basic QoL changes as the gag. The point being to provide a joke, and also provide a means for discussion – the set-up was a joke but the changes were meant to sound realistic. Instead all I get ridicule? Sigh, now I remember why I don’t post here as much…

(I did get one nice response from someone who took this for just a suggestion instead of the joke it was intended to be, you deleted your post when you realized it was a joke, but I did want to say I appreciated it)

:(

Cheer up.

If it helps, they’re actually good suggestions.

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Posted by: Dastion.3106

Dastion.3106

Cheer up.

If it helps, they’re actually good suggestions.

Thanks. I went ahead and edited the post to just be suggestions. I’m not one to usually play “armchair developer” so I thought April Fools would be a fun way to make the suggestions. However, it definitely didn’t get the kind of responses I’d hoped for.

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Posted by: Raunchy.6891

Raunchy.6891

I’m not against this shatter idea actually, it seems rather helpful to the WvW mesmers. Though Cry of Frustration only puts 1 stack of confusion on the target. It’s the 5pt trait in the Illusion tree, Illusionary Retribution, that makes it get 2 stacks. So the only way to change CoF would be to do the same thing that you did to Mind Wrack.

As far as the mantras go, this has been suggested before. My issue with it is that there wouldn’t be any counter-play to that. A skill that passively gets charges and can be used instantly while cc’d? How do you stop someone from doing it? Oh yeah you can’t. I would much rather have preferred a different mechanic for mesmers, but this is what we have and it’s rather hard to change them in any way without making it worse for someone.

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Posted by: Dastion.3106

Dastion.3106

I’m not against this shatter idea actually, it seems rather helpful to the WvW mesmers. Though Cry of Frustration only puts 1 stack of confusion on the target. It’s the 5pt trait in the Illusion tree, Illusionary Retribution, that makes it get 2 stacks. So the only way to change CoF would be to do the same thing that you did to Mind Wrack.

As far as the mantras go, this has been suggested before. My issue with it is that there wouldn’t be any counter-play to that. A skill that passively gets charges and can be used instantly while cc’d? How do you stop someone from doing it? Oh yeah you can’t. I would much rather have preferred a different mechanic for mesmers, but this is what we have and it’s rather hard to change them in any way without making it worse for someone.

The CoF thing was intentional. Primarily because you can’t split 3 stacks among 1-3 Illusions non-linearly but also because I’ve always felt that CoF was fairly weak, I mean, it’s entire effect (except for near negligible damage) is mimicked by a Minor Trait. Though I think it would be okay for shatter bases traits to stay per Illusion. I’d just like the mechanic itself to provide more consistent effects when AoEs are all over the place.

As to the Mantras – you make a good point. I think I’d rather the counterplay be on the activation than the recharge though. I mean, you’re trading a maybe few second interrupt for a guaranteed few second manual recharge – that can also be interrupted.

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Posted by: Raunchy.6891

Raunchy.6891

I’m not against this shatter idea actually, it seems rather helpful to the WvW mesmers. Though Cry of Frustration only puts 1 stack of confusion on the target. It’s the 5pt trait in the Illusion tree, Illusionary Retribution, that makes it get 2 stacks. So the only way to change CoF would be to do the same thing that you did to Mind Wrack.

As far as the mantras go, this has been suggested before. My issue with it is that there wouldn’t be any counter-play to that. A skill that passively gets charges and can be used instantly while cc’d? How do you stop someone from doing it? Oh yeah you can’t. I would much rather have preferred a different mechanic for mesmers, but this is what we have and it’s rather hard to change them in any way without making it worse for someone.

The CoF thing was intentional. Primarily because you can’t split 3 stacks among 1-3 Illusions non-linearly but also because I’ve always felt that CoF was fairly weak, I mean, it’s entire effect (except for near negligible damage) is mimicked by a Minor Trait. Though I think it would be okay for shatter bases traits to stay per Illusion. I’d just like the mechanic itself to provide more consistent effects when AoEs are all over the place.

As to the Mantras – you make a good point. I think I’d rather the counterplay be on the activation than the recharge though. I mean, you’re trading a maybe few second interrupt for a guaranteed few second manual recharge – that can also be interrupted.

I agree with that, but as far as how the confusion would stack you can’t really change that on CoF without changing the trait. All you can do is change the (very small) damage.

I think that’s actually how it should have been implemented instead of what we have now. Everything gets a cast time, but it gains charges periodically. It makes you feel less like you’re doing nothing when the charges are gone, and you can choose to use the charges as they come up or save them all for the perfect situation.

I honestly don’t think mantras will ever have a shot at being changed though. However the shatter thing could be promising.

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Posted by: EverythingEnds.4261

EverythingEnds.4261

Not very nice, are you? Oh well, I’m sorry my attempt was worthy of such efforts to make me feel like crap for making it. I thought I’d post some obviously too straight-forward and basic QoL changes as the gag. The point being to provide a joke, and also provide a means for discussion – the set-up was a joke but the changes were meant to sound realistic. Instead all I get ridicule? Sigh, now I remember why I don’t post here as much…

:(

I make fun of you, because you tried to make fun of others with an april fools joke. :P
Don’t take my posts too serious.

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Posted by: Dastion.3106

Dastion.3106

Not very nice, are you? Oh well, I’m sorry my attempt was worthy of such efforts to make me feel like crap for making it. I thought I’d post some obviously too straight-forward and basic QoL changes as the gag. The point being to provide a joke, and also provide a means for discussion – the set-up was a joke but the changes were meant to sound realistic. Instead all I get ridicule? Sigh, now I remember why I don’t post here as much…

:(

I make fun of you, because you tried to make fun of others with an april fools joke. :P
Don’t take my posts too serious.

Tricking someone on a day when everyone expects to be tricked is different than making fun of someone.

It’s okay though, I changed my approach and managed to get some good discussion.