Guild Wars 2

In the interest of transparency and reducing complaints let’s just make a thread with ways to kill bunker mesmer. No arguing. Just easy methods on bulleted lists. Make your posts as minimalist and on topic as possible. But feel free to add to each other’s posts if you have easier ways.

• bring a buddy

REAPER:

• run a signet reaper with corrupt boon
• wait till they use evade well
• call target on them when they pop the well
• use signet of vampirism about halfway through the well time
• follow up with corrupt boon and staff five
• cast chilled to the bone (insert text to stop censor)
• reaper 3, 5, 4
• if they blink out of chilled to the bone as you reaper 5
• then reaper 2, 3, 4
• if they blink away to a distance reaper 2 cannot reach
• then go into staff and load them with marks as you decap the point, send buddy off point to attack them or rotate away
• if this is the mid at legacy of the foefire
• then coordinate a condi bomb when you corrupt boon

trying to kill a bunker leads to 2v1s, if you can handle the stress on the team then do so, otherwise simply ignore the point they are bunkering

Gonna try to put up other stuff but the general notion is use unblockables and a type of boon removal (strip, rip, conversion) for their stability after they have used the evade well. Blurred frenzy is far less of a threat given that they are vulnerable to auras and on hit runes. Observation is key, be aware of what defenses they have used.

ELEMENTALIST:

• Be an tempest auramancer
• Time a shocking aura share for the following defenses they use:
• Blurred Frenzy
• Well of Recall
• Gravity Well
• Damaging shatters like Mind Wrack and Cry of Frustration
• When they get stunned burst them with whatever the team has in the way of condis, your contribution will probably be a magnetic grasp, leap over, burning speed into a drakes breath.

ive been telling the same for weeks. Condi pressure from 2 guys wrecks Bunker mesmer in ~10 seconds, which is relatively fast.

if mesmer sit alone on a point leave it. send your rev or thief to decap if he leave it

in team fight target him first. either way the fight gonna be long so pressure him and make him use defense skills early.
condi wont kill him if he run null field and resistance

i was rekt while having dmg from 4 enemy focus while my team couldnt help me (2 dh, 1 rev and 1 mes cele bunker). i was down in 10 sec . after that i play more carefully and could handle them as we target their mesmer so they went to help him

signet necro also wont be good just with 2 signets.
here is the 2v1 even in full team fight who need to focus the mesmer

rev+necro
dh+rev
rev+rev
dh+dh
thief +1 – wont kill him but can pressure him

base necromancer with cele has a better time against bunk mesmers due to trait synergies. You’re too starved for utilities to make it work on reaper imo, since if you take signet heal you need locust to actually have good healing since vamp isn’t very good sustain. And plague signet is needed to not die to conditions and wurm or armor is needed for general sustain.

I’ll try it out though, since I usually don’t run untraited CB.

Bring a zerker berserker Rifle War, bring sig of might, +1 on the bunker mes, sustain ranged pressure then berserk + gunflame + unblockable during mes block. Time shots between defenses.

nearlight.3064:

base necromancer with cele has a better time against bunk mesmers due to trait synergies. You’re too starved for utilities to make it work on reaper imo, since if you take signet heal you need locust to actually have good healing since vamp isn’t very good sustain. And plague signet is needed to not die to conditions and wurm or armor is needed for general sustain.

I’ll try it out though, since I usually don’t run untraited CB.

You need to overcome a deficit as each shatter removes 1 condition and applies 2 boons. Or you can just hope RNG works in your favour. It is possible to convert stab on the very first conversion, just not as likely given that they perma 6+ boons.

*Boonstrip
*Attack at a distance, staff doesn’t do much damage and the further you are the longer the bounces have to travel
*Condi pressure from multiple people
*Stop standing in the red circles
*Stop attacking into blocks, they have 2-3 effects that happen when they block
*Stop attacking into blocks
*STOP ATTACKING INTO BLOCKS

Ananeos.4587:

*Stop attacking into blocks, they have 2-3 effects that happen when they block
*Stop attacking into blocks
*STOP ATTACKING INTO BLOCKS

This one is actually really difficult as just one stray attack from one person is required to trigger it, and if the Mesmer knows what they’re doing it’s basically impossible to avoid: you can Block just before an attack hits, or easier still run into an enemy AoE while blocking to ensure it procs.

Daniel Handler.4816:

nearlight.3064:

base necromancer with cele has a better time against bunk mesmers due to trait synergies. You’re too starved for utilities to make it work on reaper imo, since if you take signet heal you need locust to actually have good healing since vamp isn’t very good sustain. And plague signet is needed to not die to conditions and wurm or armor is needed for general sustain.

I’ll try it out though, since I usually don’t run untraited CB.

You need to overcome a deficit as each shatter removes 1 condition and applies 2 boons. Or you can just hope RNG works in your favour. It is possible to convert stab on the very first conversion, just not as likely given that they perma 6+ boons.

That’s the thing, the RNG makes it hard.

Not to mention so many teams with bunker mes take shout tempest and mally rev which both act to erase bunker mesmers weakness to heavy condition pressure.

Does whining on the forums reddit till ANet replace all weapons with silly string and noodles count as a counter?

There is always a gap in between invuls . mesmer has low hp pool don’t waste your skills when you can’t hurt the mesmer wait for the gap and burst hard. Do not let up keep at it.
It’s pretty much impossible to kill a bunker 1 v 1 but 2 v 1 is very doable. Since the bunker mesmer is doing no damage to you , it’s just matter of time in a 2v 1 or 2 v2 for you to kill the mesmer. Now the kitten part is if the mesmer is on a team he/she will be flash rezed that’s when you know you are kittened .

Interrupt their distortion..which can’t, but try anyway.
Run away from them when they block..forget the cap.
Avoid the multiple pink/purple Aoe fields and screen pollution.
keep excess stamina to avoid the potential moa, which hopefully you’ll see through all the animation mess.
Bring 5 stun breaks for the multiple spam interrupt.
Bring some sort of reveal in cases of stealth.
Bring heavy boon removal.
Bring 5 grandmaster traits.
Bring attacks that penetrate heavy evade.

The reality is, top tier players don’t like chronomancer, mid tier don’t like chronomancer, casuals don’t like chronomancer. The trend across the board is all universal.
1) Too many escapes.
2)Too many blocks.
3) Access to invulnerability.
4) Access to stealth.
5) Access to stuns.
6) Access to transforms.
7) Reliable swiftness.
8) Strong bunkering capabilities.

You can see they are just too good currently. However that can be said about a few elite professions, however this one is about mesmer. Dragon hunter has the same thread. Chillomancer has the same thread. Auramancer has the same thread. Mallyx rev has the same thread, Druid has the same thread.

The sooner anet and players all agree HoT pushed things too far, the sooner the terrible mess of ESL, leagues, ranked can be addressed.

Just because a very specific theorycraft suggestion about how to down them is in progress doesn’t mean they aren’t in a state of unbalance. It would be better we all agree Pvp is in a wack state..accept the nerfs, move on and hope for a usable balance patch.

There is no realistic way to counter a bunker mesmer currently, that is why most top teams are running one or two of them.

Necromancers aren’t viable in the current state of the game because of Mallyx revenants and diamond skin tempests. Dragonhunter is far to easily focused to be played on most coordinated team let alone in solo queue games. I won’t even bother to respond to the rifle warrior suggestion.

Currently if you want to progress past ruby as a solo queue player just play bunker mesmer and AFK on home or far while you rake in the pips.

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

The reality is, top tier players don’t like chronomancer, mid tier don’t like chronomancer, casuals don’t like chronomancer. The trend across the board is all universal.
1) Too many escapes. – you mean 1 blink adn 1 phase retreat
2)Too many blocks. – you mean shield block for 8 sec
3) Access to invulnerability. -here you may be right as sword #2 got low cd. but thief also got lots of evades , rev #3 sword and shiro stances , ranger sos and evades
4) Access to stealth. – not being used
5) Access to stuns. – like every other class
6) Access to transforms. – not being used
7) Reliable swiftness. – without soi than not
8) Strong bunkering capabilities. – like guard, druid, tempest engi etc….
.

so basically you seem you dont like it and maybe dont know it much.

the reason ppl sont like it cause you see 2 of them in team fight with 2 rev. delete the rev abilities than you wont see 2 of them and maybe only 1.
the mesmer is great supporter and top tier group use it on bunker only sitting in 1v1 on mid or far which is versus other mesmer . for what?

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

have you tried venom share and mm or rise necro?

messiah.1908:

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

The reality is, top tier players don’t like chronomancer, mid tier don’t like chronomancer, casuals don’t like chronomancer. The trend across the board is all universal.
1) Too many escapes. – you mean 1 blink adn 1 phase retreat
2)Too many blocks. – you mean shield block for 8 sec
3) Access to invulnerability. -here you may be right as sword #2 got low cd. but thief also got lots of evades , rev #3 sword and shiro stances , ranger sos and evades
4) Access to stealth. – not being used
5) Access to stuns. – like every other class
6) Access to transforms. – not being used
7) Reliable swiftness. – without soi than not
8) Strong bunkering capabilities. – like guard, druid, tempest engi etc….
.

so basically you seem you dont like it and maybe dont know it much.

the reason ppl sont like it cause you see 2 of them in team fight with 2 rev. delete the rev abilities than you wont see 2 of them and maybe only 1.
the mesmer is great supporter and top tier group use it on bunker only sitting in 1v1 on mid or far which is versus other mesmer . for what?

I know plenty about mesmer. I have played one for over ten years. The one thing anet has consistently done across gw and gw2 with mesmer is nerf and buff it according to their mood. With the sole exception of assassin and thief, mesmer has always been the problem child for arenanet. They have created a profession that thrives by upsetting others play styles. The list I created above is not one I have made up, or pulled out of thin air. These are all things mesmer can, and will do. From their entirely O.T.T AoE animations, to their low hanging fruit interrupts. After years of playing and ascending mesmers the one thing that remains true is that they are entirely blue chip. One month they are given..3 months later it is all taken away. Mesmer particularly in gw2 has survived more off of layers of cheese than its predecessor in gw1 with required a good ping and sound reactions to get the best from it.
I like mesmer as much as the next person..I would even say a little more. However it does not take a genius to see anet dropped the ball with them. They took a light armour squishy profession with average HP pool and made it the strongest bunkering profession in game. They took a profession designed from the principle idea of thriving by interrupting and instead made them near 100-0 burst. They have never truly been able to frame or describe what role entirely mesmer was envisioned to play. As a result every long, long term mesmer can a test that the words nerf and mesmer are almost interchangeable. Anet had a good idea with mesmer..but it has never progressed beyond a good idea. Its cup is either too full, or near empty. That is mesmers ongoing problem. They are never, ever balanced..either wayy too much is given, or way too much is taken away.
It amusing to see people discussing ways to take mesmers down and the overall attitude is to bring a friend, when we all full well anet will take them down in about 60 days..the same as they have always done for 10 years straight.

[quote=5849927;CntrlAltDefeat.1465
I know plenty about mesmer. I have played one for over ten years. The one thing anet has consistently done across gw and gw2 with mesmer is nerf and buff it according to their mood. With the sole exception of assassin and thief, mesmer has always been the problem child for arenanet. They have created a profession that thrives by upsetting others play styles. The list I created above is not one I have made up, or pulled out of thin air. These are all things mesmer can, and will do. From their entirely O.T.T AoE animations, to their low hanging fruit interrupts. After years of playing and ascending mesmers the one thing that remains true is that they are entirely blue chip. One month they are given..3 months later it is all taken away. Mesmer particularly in gw2 has survived more off of layers of cheese than its predecessor in gw1 with required a good ping and sound reactions to get the best from it.
I like mesmer as much as the next person..I would even say a little more. However it does not take a genius to see anet dropped the ball with them. They took a light armour squishy profession with average HP pool and made it the strongest bunkering profession in game. They took a profession designed from the principle idea of thriving by interrupting and instead made them near 100-0 burst. They have never truly been able to frame or describe what role entirely mesmer was envisioned to play. As a result every long, long term mesmer can a test that the words nerf and mesmer are almost interchangeable. Anet had a good idea with mesmer..but it has never progressed beyond a good idea. Its cup is either too full, or near empty. That is mesmers ongoing problem. They are never, ever balanced..either wayy too much is given, or way too much is taken away.
It amusing to see people discussing ways to take mesmers down and the overall attitude is to bring a friend, when we all full well anet will take them down in about 60 days..the same as they have always done for 10 years straight.[/quote]

as much as i agree to what you have wrote i thikn the problem with buff and nerf the mesmer by the qq mode.

if i try to figure what anet want the mesmer to be with chrono line is to be able to support. wells, slow and droping down the DE trait.
if oyu remeber after hot came out ppl scream and qq about the power creap, than few weeks later mesmer enter with bunker cele build. which meant to be support but turn out to be able to handle like a bunker. and after couple of weeks amulet soldier came and boom bunker+support. and ppl dont know or remember how to handle it
i remember top esl didnt bother to handle 1v1 against bunker guard who staying a point contesting it. so why now they are bother?
same goes to druid who contest alone the point . you wont try 1v1 as it will take too much time. but when mesmer was able to share boons (like he used to be but hardly top player used it) and aoe blur and aoe cc twice with cs and gw ppl scream

imo putting back the thief on the spot where he needs to be as fast roamer and abel to 1v1 if play right will push little bit the condi rev which result in pushing back the bunker mes.

also regarding the post. i took maraduer amulet with the same bunker build concept and with nice 4v4 om mid i target the mesmer and together he was down in 10 sec
he used time warp so i used null field , little bit cc and he was without shatter ability so immobilize him and he was down

Actually since moving to a glassier reaper build with more damage I’m less concerned about bunker mesmers. The only thing I have trouble with is there Rez potential if they build to get resistance/quickness for rezzes through trait synergies which is very hard to deal with.

You won’t take Corrupt Boon on standard Carrion Signet Reaper – you’d give up Flesh Wurm for that, it’s far too essential survivability cooldown. Also, if anyone notices you run two signets and CB – you’ll be trained whole game and spawnganked, because you have no escapes whatsoever. You can eventually deal with Bunker Mesmer as Necromancer, but it takes way too much time and profession itself is weaker than Herald.

One profession that does decently vs. Bunker Mesmer is Mallyx Herald due to uneveadeable/unblockable Elite, confusion and general high condition pressure on point. There’s also Scrapper that can help with Bunk Mes.

I think the main problem people have with killing Bunker Chrono is that while most other bunkers depend on defenses you can counter quite reliably like blocks, healing or boons, Mes has a lot of these + cooldowns you just have to sit through because they don’t really have counters. So whatever you do, he should be able to endure these, let’s say, 15 seconds – that wasn’t the case for Bunker Guardian, for example.

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

have you tried venom share and mm or rise necro?

I don’t even know what that means :D

Anyway, there’s a nice easy takedown of a chrono doing his thing at mid in this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0SnGDCP5c

CntrlAltDefeat.1465:

Interrupt their distortion..which can’t, but try anyway.
Run away from them when they block..forget the cap.
Avoid the multiple pink/purple Aoe fields and screen pollution.
keep excess stamina to avoid the potential moa, which hopefully you’ll see through all the animation mess.
Bring 5 stun breaks for the multiple spam interrupt.
Bring some sort of reveal in cases of stealth.
Bring heavy boon removal.
Bring 5 grandmaster traits.
Bring attacks that penetrate heavy evade.

The reality is, top tier players don’t like chronomancer, mid tier don’t like chronomancer, casuals don’t like chronomancer. The trend across the board is all universal.
1) Too many escapes.
2)Too many blocks.
3) Access to invulnerability.
4) Access to stealth.
5) Access to stuns.
6) Access to transforms.
7) Reliable swiftness.
8) Strong bunkering capabilities.

You can see they are just too good currently. However that can be said about a few elite professions, however this one is about mesmer. Dragon hunter has the same thread. Chillomancer has the same thread. Auramancer has the same thread. Mallyx rev has the same thread, Druid has the same thread.

The sooner anet and players all agree HoT pushed things too far, the sooner the terrible mess of ESL, leagues, ranked can be addressed.

Just because a very specific theorycraft suggestion about how to down them is in progress doesn’t mean they aren’t in a state of unbalance. It would be better we all agree Pvp is in a wack state..accept the nerfs, move on and hope for a usable balance patch.

Going to assume you dont actually play a chrono.
First of all: Why would you ever run Moa as a bunker?
Second: The issue isnt their survivability, really. The issue is Distort not blocking caps. If using well of precog prevented cap point contribution, you would see more thought go into using them.
Third: Invis as a bunker? Who runs torch or any form of stealth util/elite as a bunker?
Fourth: You really dont know anything about building mesmers and what roles they play with what utilities, weapons and elites do you? Next time you write such a long post about issues people have with X, do some research for gods sake..

With your logic, every class runs every wep combo, every build and all different utilities for all roles. Not going to lie, that does sound awesome.. But its not really accurate, is it?

So with the res nerf (that im seriously wondering who thought of in the first place..) for revenants coming soon, all they need to do is to make distort (or preferably just well of precog) prevent cap point contribution.

As for the ele and necro, i really dont see what all the fuzz is about.
Dragonhunters are one trick ponies that litterally cant do jack with traps on CD.
I dont mind people taking some coordination to kill, but having AoE immortality and still be able to hold points is a bit much perhaps.

Ross Biddle.2367:

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

have you tried venom share and mm or rise necro?

I don’t even know what that means

Anyway, there’s a nice easy takedown of a chrono doing his thing at mid in this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0SnGDCP5c

That wasnt a bunker. He’s running a traditional shatter with GS – S/X, of course he melts after burning all of his CDs in a second flat while being out of position.
Next!

Todd.6573:

Ross Biddle.2367:

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

have you tried venom share and mm or rise necro?

I don’t even know what that means

Anyway, there’s a nice easy takedown of a chrono doing his thing at mid in this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0SnGDCP5c

That wasnt a bunker. He’s running a traditional shatter with GS – S/X, of course he melts after burning all of his CDs in a second flat while being out of position.
Next!

Wait a minute, have you never killed a bunker chrono before?

Ross Biddle.2367:

Todd.6573:

Ross Biddle.2367:

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

have you tried venom share and mm or rise necro?

I don’t even know what that means

Anyway, there’s a nice easy takedown of a chrono doing his thing at mid in this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0SnGDCP5c

That wasnt a bunker. He’s running a traditional shatter with GS – S/X, of course he melts after burning all of his CDs in a second flat while being out of position.
Next!

Wait a minute, have you never killed a bunker chrono before?

the problem with p/p carrion set it has low dmg with unload and low dmg with condition. p/d has also torment which s nice but unload enable you to proc the venoms much faster

mm – minion master, rise – mm utilities so you can share venom with them to do havoc stacking

apharma.3741:

Does whining on the forums reddit till ANet replace all weapons with silly string and noodles count as a counter?

Called it.

Mogar.9216:

There is always a gap in between invuls . mesmer has low hp pool don’t waste your skills when you can’t hurt the mesmer wait for the gap and burst hard. Do not let up keep at it.
It’s pretty much impossible to kill a bunker 1 v 1 but 2 v 1 is very doable. Since the bunker mesmer is doing no damage to you , it’s just matter of time in a 2v 1 or 2 v2 for you to kill the mesmer. Now the kitten part is if the mesmer is on a team he/she will be flash rezed that’s when you know you are kittened .

is 29k Hp a low Hp pooL? i think not

Ross Biddle.2367:

Todd.6573:

Ross Biddle.2367:

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

have you tried venom share and mm or rise necro?

I don’t even know what that means

Anyway, there’s a nice easy takedown of a chrono doing his thing at mid in this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0SnGDCP5c

That wasnt a bunker. He’s running a traditional shatter with GS – S/X, of course he melts after burning all of his CDs in a second flat while being out of position.
Next!

Wait a minute, have you never killed a bunker chrono before?

Are you asking me? Yes, i have. But i rarely duel them since that would be a waste of time and outnumbering kills everything eventually..
I was simply pointing out that the linked video wasnt against a bunker mesmer.

Todd.6573:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Todd.6573:

Ross Biddle.2367:

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

have you tried venom share and mm or rise necro?

I don’t even know what that means

Anyway, there’s a nice easy takedown of a chrono doing his thing at mid in this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0SnGDCP5c

That wasnt a bunker. He’s running a traditional shatter with GS – S/X, of course he melts after burning all of his CDs in a second flat while being out of position.
Next!

Wait a minute, have you never killed a bunker chrono before?

Are you asking me? Yes, i have. But i rarely duel them since that would be a waste of time and outnumbering kills everything eventually..
I was simply pointing out that the linked video wasnt against a bunker mesmer.

Dueling a bunker is silly. Doesn’t matter what class the bunker is.

Anyway, the point being it’s irrelevant. Idle bunker at mid, all his CD’s, fully aware of inc, his only mistake was underestimating what was coming. This one’s dedicated to you T-man ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jRCmwfCEt0&feature=youtu.be

I killed a cele bunker mesmer 1v1 in a match yesterday playing a troll-ish settler’s reaper bunker build with poor boonstrip.

His main goal was to use gravity well as much as possible to try and decap the point from me, but he failed and I eventually took him down after several minutes of stalemate.

Ross Biddle.2367:

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

have you tried venom share and mm or rise necro?

I don’t even know what that means

Anyway, there’s a nice easy takedown of a chrono doing his thing at mid in this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0SnGDCP5c

I can’t even start with everything that is wrong with this.

I will just go with i now understand why you post the way you do

Good day

Azukas.1426:

Ross Biddle.2367:

messiah.1908:

Ross Biddle.2367:

Can confirm: Tea running ranged DPS druid + my p/p venomshare thief = dead Chrono bunker XD

have you tried venom share and mm or rise necro?

I don’t even know what that means

Anyway, there’s a nice easy takedown of a chrono doing his thing at mid in this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oL0SnGDCP5c

I can’t even start with everything that is wrong with this.

I will just go with i now understand why you post the way you do

Good day

Everyone can post useless, pointless, unhelpful, meaningless things. As you’ve just demonstrated

Welcome to the club ;D