Guild Wars 2

With the recent announcements on nerfing chrono and buffing thief, we sort of have a bad taste in our mouth from the thief bait days of most metas until midway last year. Thieves needed a buff, and they did say that everything they’ve talked about is completely reversible/open for debate so let’s talk about it.

Mesmer needs to be pushed into it’s own unique role to combat thieves and necros. Power shatter has always been a gimmick (except PU shatter) as popular as it is, being outclassed by thief. Looking at the new amulets, a chrono with more access to condis, inflicting confusion, slow, etc. to manipulate a fight sounds more mesmer-like than stabbing with a gs and leaving, we don’t want thief gameplay here, it will get outclassed.

Nerf to energy sigils means less clones via DE and avoiding bursts, well of precog means more standing in place (aegis feels more guardian esque and gets corrupted by necro), We need an identity in this upcoming meta. For all the things taken away, I want to be able to inflict some extremely nasty condi damage and excel at it, manipulate the field, boonshare, something that will stay relevant. If we had another amulet like vigilant or more traits/stuff to compensate the bunker nerf, boonshare could be a great way to keep support mesmer alive without it being broken. What do you think?

You do realize that pretty much every non-mesmer player in this game, would literally delete condi mesmer given the chance. Right?

They already deleted PU, after a long time of it being basically the only thing we were good at in WvW.
Now they’re trashing WoP, which was basically a “HOLY CRAP, SAVE THE COMMANDER TAG” button.

A button that was a double edged sword, might I add. Considering it potentially covered water fields.

We aren’t going to get anything to play as Mesmer from ANet.
ChronoShatter will be hard countered thief.
CondiShatter will be outclassed by Necro.
ChronoBunker is literally in the kittening ground. Losing the amulets & alacrity they needed.

PvE wise, mesmer is yet again just a timewarp slave. As alacrity’s effect reduction is absolutely disgusting in PvE, we’ll likely be outclassed by another class for DPS in longer fights.
PvE wise, we need more sustainable DPS, but we’ve asked for that for how kittening long? We’re never getting it.

WvW is lining up to be frontline dominated with some of the guardian changes. And a gank mesmer with gravity well might be worth it, considering the res changes.
But that’s basically all we’ll be. Shatter with a GW. Miss either of those and you’ve lost most of your effectiveness.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

You do realize that pretty much every non-mesmer player in this game, would literally delete condi mesmer given the chance. Right?

They already deleted PU, after a long time of it being basically the only thing we were good at in WvW.
Now they’re trashing WoP, which was basically a “HOLY CRAP, SAVE THE COMMANDER TAG” button.

A button that was a double edged sword, might I add. Considering it potentially covered water fields.

We aren’t going to get anything to play as Mesmer from ANet.
ChronoShatter will be hard countered thief.
CondiShatter will be outclassed by Necro.
ChronoBunker is literally in the kittening ground. Losing the amulets & alacrity they needed.

PvE wise, mesmer is yet again just a timewarp slave. As alacrity’s effect reduction is absolutely disgusting in PvE, we’ll likely be outclassed by another class for DPS in longer fights.
PvE wise, we need more sustainable DPS, but we’ve asked for that for how kittening long? We’re never getting it.

WvW is lining up to be frontline dominated with some of the guardian changes. And a gank mesmer with gravity well might be worth it, considering the res changes.
But that’s basically all we’ll be. Shatter with a GW. Miss either of those and you’ve lost most of your effectiveness.

Like I said, since all the buffs/changes have not been announced yet, there is still room for them to provide mesmer for some counter play to thief and necro while still maintaining this. We have to be vocal about it, instead of thief bait or mesmer bait, let’s balance both

DrDivine.5378:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

You do realize that pretty much every non-mesmer player in this game, would literally delete condi mesmer given the chance. Right?

They already deleted PU, after a long time of it being basically the only thing we were good at in WvW.
Now they’re trashing WoP, which was basically a “HOLY CRAP, SAVE THE COMMANDER TAG” button.

A button that was a double edged sword, might I add. Considering it potentially covered water fields.

We aren’t going to get anything to play as Mesmer from ANet.
ChronoShatter will be hard countered thief.
CondiShatter will be outclassed by Necro.
ChronoBunker is literally in the kittening ground. Losing the amulets & alacrity they needed.

PvE wise, mesmer is yet again just a timewarp slave. As alacrity’s effect reduction is absolutely disgusting in PvE, we’ll likely be outclassed by another class for DPS in longer fights.
PvE wise, we need more sustainable DPS, but we’ve asked for that for how kittening long? We’re never getting it.

WvW is lining up to be frontline dominated with some of the guardian changes. And a gank mesmer with gravity well might be worth it, considering the res changes.
But that’s basically all we’ll be. Shatter with a GW. Miss either of those and you’ve lost most of your effectiveness.

Like I said, since all the buffs/changes have not been announced yet, there is still room for them to provide mesmer for some counter play to thief and necro while still maintaining this. We have to be vocal about it, instead of thief bait or mesmer bait, let’s balance both

Sorry.
I’ve suggested many changes over time that would be:
1. Fun (Because it would change active gameplay, rather than focusing on passive defenses)
2. Balance-able.

Taking movespeed minor from chrono, and putting it on dom or dueling.

Adding a trait for clones on interrupt to chaos. With maybe a 2-5 second ICD.

Having well of precog only give distortion to you (and your clones) by default, unless you trait for it to apply to others, in which case it would no longer apply to you.
(Think necro’s shroud trait that makes it heal others instead of kill enemies)

Having it to where taking an elite spec changes some of the other trait lines accordingly. (That would be a good chance to remove/weaken synergies that are too strong)

And most importantly.
SPLITTING THIS GAME’S SKILLS ACROSS THE 3 DIFFERENT GAME MODES

Chrono Bunker saw the introduction of the “easiest” form of play, with the lowest risk, and maximum reward. This all on a class Anet defined as a high skill profession that, given proficient skill, should produce high rewards.

The fact is we’re moving back into the past where no amount of skill will reward the player given the sheer effort it takes to manipulate a functional mesmer. It’s just not worth it to run Mesmer. Our best features are locked out by the meta, and frankly it’s just not fun to play in that, or play some other simpler mesmer build that, frankly, functions better (Chrono bunker for example).

The Devs buffed Mesmer in all the right ways. Then they introduced a changes, an expansion, and a Meta that set Mesmer back 3 years XD

Ross Biddle.2367:

Then they introduced a changes, an expansion, and a Meta that set Mesmer back 3 years XD

I finally understand Chronomancer now.

Well played, Anet!

Whatever it is, we won’t get it. That I can promise you.