Guild Wars 2

I want to play Mirage – I really do. But if there will not be a lot of changes compared to test weekend I do not see it as the option for me. As one of the main heights is for me playing a new class I am ready to play my other toons. In this case my “plan B” is Scourge – it is not a Mesmer sure…. but it was helluwa fun and actually borderline OP (especially compared to Mirage. I am actually quite sure in real gameplay it will be actually weaker as during testing there was unlimited life force from all the golem killing – but fun playstyle will stay

I’m happy with Chrono and will sticking with it.

Chrono. It works for support, it works for conditions, it works for WvW, everything. Mirage is strictly inferior, so there’s really no reason to be worried about it much.

Probably yolosmith while playing star wars as custom music

My main concerns for Mirage are Jaunt, Mirage Cloaks duration, Ambushes and traits. If I don’t like what they’ve done to them or barely gave them any changes as for how I want to use them for my build, then I’ll be sticking with Core Mesmer.

I play Mirage, I had a lot of fun playing it. Watch WPs video, it really shows a lot of synergies etc. I don’t know why Mirage has such a negative backlash. If I never was in the forums, I though everyone is excited about it. I first planned to max out scourge but I think I go with Mirage be cause it was so much fun.

ProtoGunner.4953:

I play Mirage, I had a lot of fun playing it. Watch WPs video, it really shows a lot of synergies etc. I don’t know why Mirage has such a negative backlash. If I never was in the forums, I though everyone is excited about it. I first planned to max out scourge but I think I go with Mirage be cause it was so much fun.

Well for some of us who’ve put in more hours in Mirage to test it out in WvW and PvP, there is ALOT of fixes and adjustments that NEED to be made to the elite. Yeah it may be “fun” PvE wise but comparing it to the other 8 elites, they all seemed to have gotten more love and are more loaded as opposed to the Mirage.

I’d go in depth as to why there’s negative backlash but for us who’ve put in a lot of time and care towards the Mesmer and its elites, have posted enough feedback on it both on here and supposedly Reddit.

(1 week left, here’s hoping for the best)

I hate the scepter ambush with Mirage so I don’t see me swapping to play it. I doubt the fractals/raids/PvE environment is going to swap from Chrono to Mirage at all so guess my mesmer is sticking with shield. Will be on the back burner as Ive gotten a little bit burnt out being everyone’s tank/boonbot/distorter, basically tired of being ALL THE THINGS.

Switching back to my Ele and maybe Holosmith if it survives the incoming butchery that is sure to happen to it after release.

ProtoGunner.4953:

Watch WPs video, it really shows a lot of synergies etc.

Lol you trolling or joking right?

Tseison.4659:

ProtoGunner.4953:

I play Mirage, I had a lot of fun playing it. Watch WPs video, it really shows a lot of synergies etc. I don’t know why Mirage has such a negative backlash. If I never was in the forums, I though everyone is excited about it. I first planned to max out scourge but I think I go with Mirage be cause it was so much fun.

Well for some of us who’ve put in more hours in Mirage to test it out in WvW and PvP, there is ALOT of fixes and adjustments that NEED to be made to the elite. Yeah it may be “fun” PvE wise but comparing it to the other 8 elites, they all seemed to have gotten more love and are more loaded as opposed to the Mirage.

I’d go in depth as to why there’s negative backlash but for us who’ve put in a lot of time and care towards the Mesmer and its elites, have posted enough feedback on it both on here and supposedly Reddit.

(1 week left, here’s hoping for the best)

I tried to stay out of any discussion about Mirage in this forum, mainly because 99% was about complaints and how bad the new specialization is.

However, I much feel like ProtoGunner, and NOT because of PvE, which I do not really care about.

I must say my testing was limited, but I enjoed the feel (only exceptions being some utilities, axe 3 and ambushes a bit too weak).
Other than that it was good. Sure, it can be improved but did not feel underpowered or particularly weaker than other professions.

I then checked many pvp videos about mirage. It could be that the guys using mirage were fantastic, or the enemies were terribad. Either way, what I saw was enough to say that Mirage is in a good spot.

You can argue on the doge/evade change (I personally like it) and things like that, but on one thing I agree. The class feels like playing some sort of thief, and that Anet has copy/pasted many skills. When you see what they did to other professions you really have the feeling they did not put enough time/efforts to come up with some original/new ideas.

Playing a game where the developers give a kitten .

ProtoGunner.4953:

I play Mirage, I had a lot of fun playing it. Watch WPs video, it really shows a lot of synergies etc. I don’t know why Mirage has such a negative backlash. If I never was in the forums, I though everyone is excited about it. I first planned to max out scourge but I think I go with Mirage be cause it was so much fun.

But there aren’t that many synergies if you look closer than a superficial glance. Mirage itself focuses on ambush attacks and confusing people with your clones acting like you, yet it has 2 traits that encourage shattering, without actually buffing shatters.

Mirage depends on clones to achieve the role it was sold on (confusing foes with clones), yet it offers the worst clone generating trait mesmer has.

Mirage is built around the mirage cloak, yet its 1 utility skill with an evade uses an actual evade, instead of the mirage cloak for more synergy.

Mirrors are a mixed bag, but there isn’t any synergy with them. No synergy with core mesmer traits at all. And not a single mirage trait that buffs them. The only trait we have that directly affects mirrors only gives us a chance at creating them, in return for shattering, which means we just lost all of our ambush fodder.

Please point to where this amazing synergy is that mirage has? I can see it being fun to play with staff running illusions/chaos/mirage. But just because it might be fun doesn’t mean it has the amazing synergy that WP sold it as.

I came a long road and despite being a rather dedicated player and a GW player since over 10 years now, I must admit that some people are just so DETERMINED with dedication that my comment seems so utterly superficial and casual that it hurts. That’s it, it really came down to this. I don’t really go so much into detail.

I just copy the PvE meta on my characters and that’s it. I am not that much into theory and synergies, so maybe I just don’t see it. I just checked all the traits and built my own idea of what I wanna do on build constructor and it seemed fine. I don’t had the feeling it was so different from other new specs.

In this sense: chill guys, it’s a game and in the end you should have fun to play it and in the end it comes mainly down to your own skills to win (yes, I am aware of tier lists in a lot of games).

Oh that said: I really only played it in PvE for like one hour, so of course I’ll have a more detailed opinion after PoF release. further notice: people are creatures of habits, meaning we are so used to dodge that we think it is better than something else. Give it time, I am sure we get used to it. It’s a rather deep going change to the mechanics we know since 5 years.

OriOri.8724:

ProtoGunner.4953:

I play Mirage, I had a lot of fun playing it. Watch WPs video, it really shows a lot of synergies etc. I don’t know why Mirage has such a negative backlash. If I never was in the forums, I though everyone is excited about it. I first planned to max out scourge but I think I go with Mirage be cause it was so much fun.

But there aren’t that many synergies if you look closer than a superficial glance. Mirage itself focuses on ambush attacks and confusing people with your clones acting like you, yet it has 2 traits that encourage shattering, without actually buffing shatters.

Mirage depends on clones to achieve the role it was sold on (confusing foes with clones), yet it offers the worst clone generating trait mesmer has.

Mirage is built around the mirage cloak, yet its 1 utility skill with an evade uses an actual evade, instead of the mirage cloak for more synergy.

Mirrors are a mixed bag, but there isn’t any synergy with them. No synergy with core mesmer traits at all. And not a single mirage trait that buffs them. The only trait we have that directly affects mirrors only gives us a chance at creating them, in return for shattering, which means we just lost all of our ambush fodder.

Please point to where this amazing synergy is that mirage has? I can see it being fun to play with staff running illusions/chaos/mirage. But just because it might be fun doesn’t mean it has the amazing synergy that WP sold it as.

Use dodge to give yourself superspeed, use excutioner axe while you have superspeed to travel further.

Thats the length WP had to stretch to defend this “Elite Spec” to get his shill money from Anet.

I think you misunderstand ProtoGunner. A lot of mesmer mains are critical because they care a lot about the class. They see problems with the class, and they see that mirage doesn’t address those problems, and it is upsetting.

I mean, look at chrono. 3 major traits were designed around reducing problems with shatters. 1 of them was designed to help the shatters land, since it was so easy to outrun them. And the other 2 were designed around trying to (in a very OP manner at first) reduce the negative impact that shattering had on our illusion mechanic. That’s 3 out of 9 major traits, 33% of them. Imagine how much more that class could have been if instead Anet had fixed those issues at the core mesmer level, and let chrono be a standalone spec that didn’t just bandaid mesmer problems? It would have had 3 more, very interesting, traits to play with. People, in general, stopped caring because Chrono was made overpowered at first, like every gen1 elite spec.

Now we get to mirage, that actually has the opposite problem. Nothing in mirage tries to fix problems with core mesmer, so these problems come glaring back at us. And now people are upset, because we really deserve to have these problems looked at and fixed. And mirage neither fixes them nor bandaids them.

What I think that you, and a lot of other mirage supporters, are missing is that a class CAN be fun to play without it being designed well. A lot of the complaints about mirage are coming from the fact that it was not designed well at all. And ANet admitted that to us when they admitted they designed it around the name instead of around the mechanic.

Probably you are right. Ready my addendum. I loved chrono and it was a lot of fun to keep up quickness eternity during stationary boss fights. But I am glad not being only support in the future.

OriOri.8724:

I think you misunderstand ProtoGunner. A lot of mesmer mains are critical because they care a lot about the class. They see problems with the class, and they see that mirage doesn’t address those problems, and it is upsetting.

I mean, look at chrono. 3 major traits were designed around reducing problems with shatters. 1 of them was designed to help the shatters land, since it was so easy to outrun them. And the other 2 were designed around trying to (in a very OP manner at first) reduce the negative impact that shattering had on our illusion mechanic. That’s 3 out of 9 major traits, 33% of them. Imagine how much more that class could have been if instead Anet had fixed those issues at the core mesmer level, and let chrono be a standalone spec that didn’t just bandaid mesmer problems? It would have had 3 more, very interesting, traits to play with. People, in general, stopped caring because Chrono was made overpowered at first, like every gen1 elite spec.

Now we get to mirage, that actually has the opposite problem. Nothing in mirage tries to fix problems with core mesmer, so these problems come glaring back at us. And now people are upset, because we really deserve to have these problems looked at and fixed. And mirage neither fixes them nor bandaids them.

What I think that you, and a lot of other mirage supporters, are missing is that a class CAN be fun to play without it being designed well. A lot of the complaints about mirage are coming from the fact that it was not designed well at all. And ANet admitted that to us when they admitted they designed it around the name instead of around the mechanic.

Thank-you so much for being a voice! Exactly what I wanted to say to but then when it was mentioned above about the “XX amount of experience” which a lot of us have to – it seems some people still love to live inside the box and not outside of it.

Again, we have one week left so let’s hope the final product will bring the Mirage on par to that of the Chronomancer or even more.

crosses fingers

Tseison.4659:

OriOri.8724:

I think you misunderstand ProtoGunner. A lot of mesmer mains are critical because they care a lot about the class. They see problems with the class, and they see that mirage doesn’t address those problems, and it is upsetting.

I mean, look at chrono. 3 major traits were designed around reducing problems with shatters. 1 of them was designed to help the shatters land, since it was so easy to outrun them. And the other 2 were designed around trying to (in a very OP manner at first) reduce the negative impact that shattering had on our illusion mechanic. That’s 3 out of 9 major traits, 33% of them. Imagine how much more that class could have been if instead Anet had fixed those issues at the core mesmer level, and let chrono be a standalone spec that didn’t just bandaid mesmer problems? It would have had 3 more, very interesting, traits to play with. People, in general, stopped caring because Chrono was made overpowered at first, like every gen1 elite spec.

Now we get to mirage, that actually has the opposite problem. Nothing in mirage tries to fix problems with core mesmer, so these problems come glaring back at us. And now people are upset, because we really deserve to have these problems looked at and fixed. And mirage neither fixes them nor bandaids them.

What I think that you, and a lot of other mirage supporters, are missing is that a class CAN be fun to play without it being designed well. A lot of the complaints about mirage are coming from the fact that it was not designed well at all. And ANet admitted that to us when they admitted they designed it around the name instead of around the mechanic.

Thank-you so much for being a voice! Exactly what I wanted to say to but then when it was mentioned above about the “XX amount of experience” which a lot of us have to – it seems some people still love to live inside the box and not outside of it.

Again, we have one week left so let’s hope the final product will bring the Mirage on par to that of the Chronomancer or even more.

crosses fingers

While I am very sceptical of Mirage (and quite vocal on the forums about how it needs fixing), you really do not want to get your hopes up that high as to hope Mirage even comes close to chrono. The chance for that is just about 0 (or would require chrono to eat some massive nerfs too).

The most we can hope for now I think (being realistic) is that:

- Mirage gets some rework to its clunkiness (increased time on ambushes, increased duration on Mirrors, some type of temporary clone protection, etc.)
- some rework of utilities/traits to better harmonise with the elite specialisation and be on par with other elite specialisations (Jaunt range increased to 600, guarteed mirrors from shatters, etc.)
- some way of making the dodge always superior to base dodge (much like Daredevil pre HoT) be it blink or 360 degrees superspeed
- chrono doesn’t get massive nerfs only to make the new toy more interesting

What I doubt we can expect is:
- any major reworks to our base class (though I don’t see why say Mind Wrack and Cry of Frustration can’t be merged allowing for a baseline retarget class skill for example.)
- any major rework to Mirages design. Arenanet love their idea for Mirage and I doubt they will move away from it

In 10 days we’ll all know more, and I’m sure there will be major balance patches post release where a couple of elite specialisations get reworks and changes.

Think rolling a Guardian through pof, liked the support the class offers. Allthough mesmer is my favorite class (and the one i played from beginning of Gw2) , i didnt really enjoy the new Mirage. Didnt buy PoF yet and wait for first reviews come out. Maybe i dont buy it at all,depends if its better than Hot, which was a disappointment for me.

As I’ve made Astralaria there’s no going back.

Plan B is Firebrand alt and sticking with Chrono, though I enjoyed Mirage enough that I don’t think I’ll need to resort to plan B.

Mesmer since launch in 2012 here.
I mainly play random open world PvE and sometimes WvW. I think I will stick to Greatsword for open world PvE and to Scepter / Torch for WvW. Maybe I will play Chronomancer every now and then.

Right now Mirage is not on my list. I didn’t play the test weekend but I’ve read bad feedback. I usually like to play and decide myself, but I think I will focus on my other character to start with.

I think it’s worth witholding judgement, the tests had no build updates and are likely running on a really old build.