WvW Foes on Walls

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Posted by: juno.1840

juno.1840

I love my mesmer so far. I mostly PvE but have spent 10-20 hrs so far in WvW, and did a couple matches in hot-join PvP.

One area that I have problems with is WvW when sieging a tower, fort, etc. Foes on the walls can stand on the edge and shoot down at me, but I cannot hit them back.

Both Staff 1 and GS 1 give “obsticle” messages.

Clones and Phantasms seem to spawn on the ground in front of me instead of on the walls. Although I have seen other mesmers get their phantasms up there — someone toss me a clue on how to get that to work lol.

I’m not sure how other classes are coping. I see Ele/Necro AoEs hit, but not sure about their auto-attacks. Same with bow and rifle users. Lot of guardian tennis-balls fly up there, again not sure if they are making contact or not.

Right now my best wall assult is to run in and throw feedback then run out. I learned after-the-fact that focus can be used for wall pulls, but I haven’t tried that yet — I suspect it’s not 100% reliable (not should it be I think as it sounds a bit too powerful).

Looking for ideas on how to help in sieges. Also would love to see GS and Staff autoattack be capable of hitting wall-top foes (or change the wall-tops a bit to aid with the obsticle mechanic).

Part of me thinks that someone in ANet was thinking “hey, wanna see something funny? Watch this…”

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Posted by: True Seeker.3682

True Seeker.3682

Greatsword Phantasms (iBerserker) will spawn on the wall and attack. iWarden, assuming you have proper LoS will also work. It is mostly angles you need to worry about, as too steep of an angle will cause you to lose LoS and if they run behind a parapet. iBerserker will spawn properly regardless of line of sight, as long as they are within range. You can also get the ranged ones to hit, but once again you need to find the “sweet spot” regarding distance in order to pinpoint where the angle will work or not.

For non-Phantasm related things you can do, anything with ground targeting (Chaos Storm, Mind Stab) can be targeted at the top part of the wall and it will hit the enemies standing on top of that section. Another excellent thing you can do is use Feedback (the utility). This is especially good, as it will cause all projectile attacks (ie: most ranged attacks) to reflect back. It is also a Confusion-granting combo field for your own projectiles. Lastly, Temporal Curtain can yank people off the wall as long as there is no lip for them to get caught on. If you see someone getting cheeky, run up and cast it on the wall and immediately use Into the Void to yank them off.

For non-direct combat things you can do, don’t forget that you can summon your Phantasms on any targetable gate or wall. They do substantial damage and, in the case of iBerserker/iWardens being placed on the gate, will damage people immediately behind it (ie: anyone trying to repair it). Also have a Null Field ready for when they get arrow carts and start trying to cripple/bleed everyone. Lastly, your AoE Elites (Time Warp especially, but also Mass Invisibility) can play a huge roll if they decide to come out and fight or after you’ve broken through.

If you STILL don’t feel you are being helpful, join another small group and go hit smaller targets, secure the supply lines or build/maintain siege equipment.

Mesmerizing

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Posted by: EasymodeX.4062

EasymodeX.4062

Umm … use iBerserker. Now let this thread die to reduce the chance of that getting nerfed. .

Also … Feedback.

If you can’t read English, please do not reply to my post.

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Posted by: Munki.9452

Munki.9452

I would hope iBerserker doesn’t get nerfed. It’s pretty easy to kill them, and other classes have plenty of options with Ground Targeted AoE’s that do pretty much the same thing. If the enemy doesn’t pay attention and just lets a host of berserkers swing around and tear them to shreds, they probably need to pay a bit more attention.

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Posted by: Sezneg.8630

Sezneg.8630

Temporal curtain.

Put your temporal curtain on the wall as close to the edge as you can.
Detonate it.
Laugh as you pull several people onto the ground unexpectedly.

With coordination you can assassinate defenders this way (coordinate CC on them once they hit the ground, use pulls like flamethrower kit backdraft to pull them away from the teleporter back into the keep).

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Posted by: Treize.7026

Treize.7026

Yeah my berserker doesn’t require LOS at all to drop it on someone, I haven’t tried the warden, since I prefer the zerker’s range of motion when there’s a ton of people on the wall.

If they jump down into the keep you can still reapply it, but as was mentioned, it’s pretty easily countered. I was playing my warrior yesterday and someone did it to me while I was in a keep, I just killed it and went on with things.

I consider reflection a much more useful ability in keep attacks/defenses anyway, so I don’t usually make a point to make someone miserable by continually reapplying berserkers on them, if they’re on the wall, yeah. If they’re in the keep hiding, they’re effectively out of the fight already and don’t need killed.