WvW build question
Nobody else seems like they’re going to… so I’ll tackle this one.
But first let me address something important here. You mention 3 times in your post that you think you’re not good enough to play a certain way. Allow me to enlighten you about something: nobody is born with an innate sense of video game skill. Someone didn’t pick the game up and suddenly understand everything about Mesmers, Guardians, Thieves, whatever. It took them time, and trial and error, and experience. Don’t ever let your doubt of being able to do something get in the way of trying it. This applies to video games, life, your career. Anything. Remember that.
Now, as for builds, based on what you describe I’ll link you the PU Condi build that I run when I’m playing that style. I haven’t played it in a few weeks so am not sure if I would have changed anything, but the basic idea is this:
Now, this is just my tweaking the general setup for PU, so some things are moveable and changeable based on your preference obviously. Gear included. I like being Tanky as hell when I play Condition spec, so I’ve got a TON of armor, on top of the PU boons I get. I also like lower cooldowns, and exploding clones, so I take 3 in Illusions and 5 in Dueling. Others builds’ may vary.
Shatter plays very differently in the sense that it requires a lot more of an “active” approach to killing things. With PU Condi, stuff can attack you, you can attack back, and generally if you don’t just stand there and choose good times to use invis and hide while your clones do some work, you’re going to have a good chance at winning. Shatter you need to setup the fight to your advantage, or catch people off guard. Again, takes some time to learn, but anyone can do it. If you want to play Shatter, the standard spec is 4/4/0/0/6. Traits don’t vary too much, but you take Illusionary Persona as your 6th trait in Illusions, and Deceptive Evasion in dueling. The others can be swapped around a bit, but there’s a few better than others mostly.
Hope this helps man. Play what you want, not what you think you are capable of being good at. With enough time, anyone can get good at anything. It just takes some people more time than others.
Hybrid PU Clone Spam Build – Chaos Clones
I have a 2 sets that I use for WvW and both are viable. The first is my full Rabid set with staff/Scepter+Torch, and the second is Full zerkers with GS/Sword+Pistol. Full zerkers with a phantasm build does excellent burst and can force the enemy back in zergs but it is much less survivable then my PU setup. I tend to run PU more even though dropping izerker down is one of the most rewarding feelings in the game imo. With a PU setup you will win most duels once you figure out how the build works, you also have the ability to easily move through an enemy zerg if needed and burst with scepter 4 or get to a buddy who needs a res. I highly recommend playing PU first while you get comfortable with dueling other players and learning their skills and rotations. After you get comfortable you can move on to a shatter or phantasm build if you feel as though that may interest you.
Damage wise Zerkers just provides a ton of on demand burst and is great for roaming or zergs but you need to use your defensive cds at the correct times and remember to maintain range in zergs. You are excellent at sieging and will get tons of bags with izerker. Imo Zerkers “feels” more rewarding as you get to see glass enemies go 100-0 after izerker and GS 2 (maybe an auto). Playing in zerkers will also help to teach you how to respect the damage of your enemies and how to evade and keep range well.
PU still does a ton of damage after you ramp up and allows you the freedom to play more aggressively and go for the rez on allies fairly easily. In zergs you won’t be getting tons of bags but staff 5 is strong when you are defending, just drop it down on the enemy zerg while they are sieging your gates and watch them scatter. I tend to mainly just scout and peel for allies when I’m zerging as its a much more mobile build and lacks the power to siege gates down, but don’t be afraid to scepter 4 > staff 5 in zergs and spread your scepter 3 confusion when its up, you still deal a ton of damage with those skills and staff auto tbh. If you do go with a PU build I highly recommend Natsu’s BlackWater Mesmer Build, it’s imo the most efficient PU build for most things.
try both in spvp and see which you like better before buying exotic gear if you don’t have much gold. full rabid armor (minus trinkets and weeps) is only like 6 gold though and the weapons and trinkets are not super expensive either, you can prob afford to just buy the set outright and test it yourself. I went with the Khilbron’s set as it was marginally cheaper on the trading post then the named rabid exotic gear. Don’t spend your laurels not he ascended amulet until you are sure you want to play PU or a Power build though, they take awhile to save up. I officially have begun buying my Rabid ascended trinkets now and am committing to playing a condition mesmer, of course with exotic zerker gear on standby as needed.
Hope this helps and gl.
(edited by Waynesyaboy.5806)
I don’t use my Mesmer lately, but he is my main so i feel like i shoulda know at least how to use him decently in WvW..
I’ve been wondering this for a while, how bad is a Mesmer with a Zerker build in WvW?
Im terrible at fighting other players, but would it be okay for me to use a PU condition build? The good Mesmers i happened to meet on the field (or decent, since im bad it is hard to grasp their skill) seemed to be always PU, and originally i liked Staff the most as a Mes weapon, that’s why i was thinking it could be a good idea. I’m guessing something like 046004 with Rabid’s and Staff+Scepter/Torch, is that how the ‘meta condi PU’ looks like?
Any other good build you would advice? I know alot of people like and recommend a Shatterer build, but I’ve read quite often that you need high skill for it, so because of that and since I like the PU condi idea more i guess ill pass.
First of all the “good” mesmers aren’t playing PU because it’s a crutch build that plays itself for you. The reason you can’t beat them is because, as you stated, you aren’t very good at pvp.
However, given you’ve admitted that you don’t think you can successfully use a shatter build I guess PU would be the way to go. In my opinion this gimps you as a mesmer player though, as you really don’t advance as a pvp’er using the build. It’s all up to you. You can either use a build that will allow you to have easy wins for minimal effort, or you can attempt to challenge yourself.
Typical PU would be 4/4/6/0/0, scepter/torch with a mix of Dire and Rabid gear and weapons. Dodge roll around, stealth, profit.
As someone who plays a zerker mesmer in wvw, we aren’t bad in wvw as you seem to believe we are. We do have to work harder for our fights, especially in this condi meta, but it makes you better as a player. I can count the amount of times a PU mesmer has beaten me on one hand, and those times I can admit that it was because I messed up as a player and not because the other mesmer was actually doing anything “good”.
Best of luck to you.
Genesis Theory [GT] – Henge of Denravi
Go PU don’t listen to all the PU is for noobs posts. To get good you pretty much just have to do wvw seek out 1 v 1 and learn from every encounter. PU gives you options, I run a power PU build, to me PU allow me time to adjust my playing vs any class/build. Almost all class/build has a set rotation. PU allows you to live through pretty much any rotation . Once you figured out what their ‘trick’ is you can adjust your play to beat it.
I wear full zerker in WvW no reason not to because of PU.