Guild Wars 2

oh common only now it gets great in meta battle and post 2 top streamer using condishatter build
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Chronomancer_-_Chronophantasma_Shatter

so funny how meta shifted and decided (mainly due to nerfing mesmer and not buffing it)

few adjustment i would do to the meta
1. scepter over sword – sword mainly use by pro. cause it great in teleport in some maps. cause it immobilize for your shatter to hit and prevent a dodge. sustain with evade. hard to achieve though. why. block, perma evade, immobilize got some passive trait all over the board which reduce duration or even cleanse. but if you time it right you can do it right.
why scepter – more condi pressure, 1 block/blind (over evade) and torment . great condi weapon pressure and clone proccing in between cd.
2. MS over MOF – if using scepter i mean. less cd more faster hits
with scepter you will do much more condi dmg while with sword more sustain and teleport.

play style – with sword it seems like point holder/ decaper
with scepter i think can even have group fight abilities to pressure as staff in group fight dont do much as illusion die fast and dmg is low with staff compare to scepter.

scepter is better to pressure with block torment especially with aoe
engi bomb
guard aoe
thief aoe
ele aoe
ranger usually AA with staff
rev – sometime harder with evade and block frame.
warrior easy to block

nevertheless this build great in 1v1 and can do nice pressure on point even in 1v2
staff is great kiting tool and dmg if you spread your illusion afar from you

hope to see more of this build

It’s funny, because I’m pretty sure helseth has been running Dueling/Illu/Chrono, with mistrust on Dueling & ineptitude in Illu.

So I’m assuming that that is frostball’s build?

I was adding basically the same build the day before ESL, with both the adjustments you mentioned! – but to be honest I don’t think they did anything wrong , the mesmer builds they had previously were all seriously flawed since the latest patch.

It’s still a far cry from balanced mesmer vs someone who knows how to play there class. We still the underdog vs all other classes.

Why not use scepter/shield scepter/dagger?

Am I missing something

fost.9167:

Why not use scepter/shield scepter/dagger?

Am I missing something

We don’t have an off hand dagger.
And not everyone thinks scepter is great.

I’m one of the people in the boat that scepter kinda sucks, tbh.
I just don’t like the weapon. But that’s a personal opinion.

Sorry been a long day, i meant sword

fost.9167:

Sorry been a long day, i meant sword

Yeah, you might actually mean pistol. Since pistol can do bleeds.

Off hand sword sucks in PvP. Especially when shield is an option.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

It’s funny, because I’m pretty sure helseth has been running Dueling/Illu/Chrono, with mistrust on Dueling & ineptitude in Illu.

So I’m assuming that that is frostball’s build?

helseth atm seem to testing combination
atm he use mistrust . at the start of the last stream he said mistrust is some kind weak and than 15 min later he said he loved it. also he playing without condi cleanse and said insp may be needed so no mistrust. also mistrut seem to pay off in team fight as its aoe confusion.
i dont think i can play like he does without condi cleanse unless i know i wont be facing much condi pressure

i think the most pressure i saw on his steam was 16 confusion with mistrust and shatter which just with scepter you can achieve the same . but sword offer more evade and teleport and immobilize if your team lacks of it.

fost.9167:

Why not use scepter/shield scepter/dagger?

Am I missing something

doable scepter is good and in my experience more suitable in team fight and some 1v1
staff offer utilities and the ability to kite so 1v1 against every class is almost a sure win and some 1v2 can be handled while with doable scepter is much harder

messiah.1908:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

It’s funny, because I’m pretty sure helseth has been running Dueling/Illu/Chrono, with mistrust on Dueling & ineptitude in Illu.

So I’m assuming that that is frostball’s build?

helseth atm seem to testing combination
atm he use mistrust . at the start of the last stream he said mistrust is some kind weak and than 15 min later he said he loved it. also he playing without condi cleanse and said insp may be needed so no mistrust. also mistrut seem to pay off in team fight as its aoe confusion.
i dont think i can play like he does without condi cleanse unless i know i wont be facing much condi pressure

i think the most pressure i saw on his steam was 16 confusion with mistrust and shatter which just with scepter you can achieve the same . but sword offer more evade and teleport and immobilize if your team lacks of it.

Tbh, if I’m facing condi pressure, I feel like I’m dead with or without insp if I get hit.
Take care, kite, fight off point, and condi cleanse might feel less necessary.

I just don’t feel like panic condi cleanse is all that valuable unless I kittened up. And I usually die regardless, if I kitten up.

Also, idk.
Helseth is running a build currently that looks like it runs just fine in unranked yoloQ.
I seriously question why everyone’s jumping to the conclusion that it’ll work in ranked, or that it’s at all meta.

Idk about you guys, but YoloQ is so consistently inconsistently with skill levels for me, that it doesn’t actually feel like a valuable place to spend my time.

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

messiah.1908:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

It’s funny, because I’m pretty sure helseth has been running Dueling/Illu/Chrono, with mistrust on Dueling & ineptitude in Illu.

So I’m assuming that that is frostball’s build?

helseth atm seem to testing combination
atm he use mistrust . at the start of the last stream he said mistrust is some kind weak and than 15 min later he said he loved it. also he playing without condi cleanse and said insp may be needed so no mistrust. also mistrut seem to pay off in team fight as its aoe confusion.
i dont think i can play like he does without condi cleanse unless i know i wont be facing much condi pressure

i think the most pressure i saw on his steam was 16 confusion with mistrust and shatter which just with scepter you can achieve the same . but sword offer more evade and teleport and immobilize if your team lacks of it.

Tbh, if I’m facing condi pressure, I feel like I’m dead with or without insp if I get hit.
Take care, kite, fight off point, and condi cleanse might feel less necessary.

I just don’t feel like panic condi cleanse is all that valuable unless I kittened up. And I usually die regardless, if I kitten up.

Also, idk.
Helseth is running a build currently that looks like it runs just fine in unranked yoloQ.
I seriously question why everyone’s jumping to the conclusion that it’ll work in ranked, or that it’s at all meta.

Idk about you guys, but YoloQ is so consistently inconsistently with skill levels for me, that it doesn’t actually feel like a valuable place to spend my time.

no one say it will be actually meta. metabattle site put build which only being used by top players. the concept of condishatter was before the expansion and when i post it on metabattle it got only good state.
now it great cause both top mesmers playing this concept

if it will be in ranked we will have to see till next month.

gerarding insp line. i hardly feeling any pressure with it. as necro tend to pressure you the longer the fight goes and you pressrue with burst dmg. so yes if the fight goes longer eventualy you wont have much cleanse with shatter.
also atm you dont see much condi pressure beside necro and some rev

i also use insp to proc defender which use as illusion and combined with CP trait and also reduce dmg i take and also some retaliation is nice (like bleed proc from dueling)
i am loosing with dueling the blind mainly (DE is not much needed and mistrust is nice in big fights and not 1v1 and with all stability out there basicaly you loosing dps)
but if i didnt have any condi pressure i would have take dueling for the blind and more bleed (little bit pressure)

messiah.1908:

the concept of condishatter was before the expansion and when i post it on metabattle it got only good state.
now it great cause both top mesmers playing this concept

Aaaand this is why you should never trust metabattle.

My favorite Mesmer, but still a weak balance sheet. 1 year stopped playing and came back that a new or changed Mesmer balance. Total 3 years nothing has changed the balance was still poor only 3 years old, I’m just amazed.
1. Mesmer has to clone the same attack speed
2. Why do I need the ability to shield?
3. Where a dagger or Axe skills?
Better yet, the ability to alter the balance to the right

Guys …. there would be a Particular do not forget: there is the necro corruptMancer in metal! with wanderer stat! There really seems like a good idea to play condi?
I do not mean That it is a build to throw ….. but since we are now in place reaper That Are condi spammers and herald boon spammers ….. not think it would be to us a little thought to the null field? For me it is a good boycott for now the meta.

This is gold …

I have been using this build before the patch and this build was already mentioned in the forums during the first season.

I uses gs scepter/shield though

so far necro dont counter me much 1v1 and group fight.
in group fight i try not to target them if i see signet up or if my team doesnt focused them
in 1v1 i use lots of los spot so he wont be able to target me or trasnfer me while the condi ticks

scrapper seem hard only cuase of healing skill. if i manage to daze it than i win if not the fight goes on and on

I just can’t see condi chrono becoming too popular at high level because of Reapers and Scrappers. A competent Scrapper will mostly ignore your condi burst unless you can land a burst just before auto-elixir S procs. As for Reapers, there’s so much to worry about as a condi Mes, in particular – plague sending. Every 30 seconds you or one of your team mates is going to have to eat your condi burst. It’s not rare to see Plague Signet itself being used alongside the trait. Condi Mes quickly becomes a hinderance and basically has to avoid the Reaper the entire match.

However, as we know, condi Mes obliterates Heralds. So it does have some potential to shake things up.

So I’ve finally looked into this build and its basically a more refined version of the condi build that people were trying in the HoT beta.

Considering in the HoT beta shield block lasted longer, alacrity wasn’t nerfed and the other elites specs weren’t as strong I don’t know why everybody is suddenly deciding this is amazing now when it wasn’t that great then.

Levetty.1279:

So I’ve finally looked into this build and its basically a more refined version of the condi build that people were trying in the HoT beta.

Considering in the HoT beta shield block lasted longer, alacrity wasn’t nerfed and the other elites specs weren’t as strong I don’t know why everybody is suddenly deciding this is amazing now when it wasn’t that great then.

cause pro players dont have any other mesmer build to play with…
and cause amulets changes with less vitality
more condi pressure stacking
more ways to negate direct dmg over condi dmgand cause it always works….

Levetty.1279:

So I’ve finally looked into this build and its basically a more refined version of the condi build that people were trying in the HoT beta.

Considering in the HoT beta shield block lasted longer, alacrity wasn’t nerfed and the other elites specs weren’t as strong I don’t know why everybody is suddenly deciding this is amazing now when it wasn’t that great then.

idk either… it’s pretty bad… but hey! if people think its good then let them play it… that way the people who have “good” builds (that aren’t meta) wont get nerfed again as collateral damage from nerfing the meta since to meta isn’t worth nerfing anyway. Something that happens every single time a balance patch comes out!

Levetty.1279:

So I’ve finally looked into this build and its basically a more refined version of the condi build that people were trying in the HoT beta.

Considering in the HoT beta shield block lasted longer, alacrity wasn’t nerfed and the other elites specs weren’t as strong I don’t know why everybody is suddenly deciding this is amazing now when it wasn’t that great then.

Because many other mesmer builds took huge hit from alacrity nerf and power creep on some other classes.

So comparatively, this one performs the best among our builds.

so far i have win with this condi shatter 20-0 (solo, dou, full) unranked and ranked
in ranked 8-0
able to 1v1 almost every class (ele can be hard)
in team fight moa is game changer – gonna see some nerf i guess
portal also great
conditions stacking with good shatter kill anyone…

Messiah’s video on rotations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcCLMB3b1cQ
using scepter/shield + scepter/sword was the break point for me. I had ran months using only scepter/torch (no HoT here), never really using staff because scepter/torch is much better (I test in wvw camps and see if I die there).

Now I have scepter/sword as second weapon set. I used PU traits but now switched to inspiration as in the video. A little random fight with two gold ranked players in wvw ended to thief being downed and necro at health 1/4. I used the blocks as explaned in the video – and moa.

Scepter/torch was best what I had, and now scepter is even more better.

I agree with Messiah’s comments on the meta. And why meta has medic’s feedback?

I’ve had a suspicion for a while that metabattle voters tend to rate according to internal rather than external balance – so if a build is better than all others of the profession, it will often get into the ‘Great’ category as long as it’s vaguely competitive.