Guild Wars 2

I’m really satisfied with the mesmer elite skills (especially when compared to some other profs like engi), but i feel like mass invisibility is sort of out of place. we have veil which is so much quicker to cast, same recharge and only 1second less duration. granted it’s a wall not a aoe pulse (which does look pretty cool).

That said i feel like we should have a different elite skill and i was bouncing ideas around and settled on echo. Echo is a signature skill from guild wars 1, and i think that it would make a fantastic elite skill.

for those that don’t know, echo in gw1 was a skill that was replaced by the next skill used for 20 seconds (i think about that). so you could cast echo then cast another skill and then cast that same skill again in the echo skill slot.

i don’t know how cd would be to make sure it’s balanced, but i think this would be a really versatile with the option of casting another phantasm, two duelists would be pretty awesome to cast together, or two heals, or two blurred frenzy.

other thoughts i had were a totally bamf phantasm or a clone that was tough and damage dealing i think that would be awesome.

or a temporary increase to the maximum illusions would be cool, would allow for some nice spike-age.

i guess i shouldn’t really complain, cos when it comes to elites we have 2 really (really) solid elites.

what do you guys think about these concepts?

Echo became the utility spell Mimic.
I do agree that mass invisibility isn’t elite worthy since we have veil.

mimic has a different functionality though, not really sure if i like mimic either :/

I suppose the main point of mass invisibility is the movage of invisible armies through the portal …
but yeah .. veil would do the trick, too.

Personally I use 2 of the 3 sylvari skills rather than one of the mesmer ones.

Reaper of Grenth awesome.

But Moa, Time Warp, and Mass Invis are all pretty kitten.

I actually really like Mass Invisibility, because it doesn’t feel like an Elite… I can use it like a Utility skill, which feels much smoother to me than Moa or Time Warp with their massive CDs.

Of course, that’s what’s wrong with MI: it’s not an Elite, not by a long shot. It would need to have its CD halved to feel like an Elite IMO, as using it never changes the game (though it’s very handy for escaping sticky situations: if it doesn’t get interrupted during its long cast time, that is).

It should give Swiftness and remove 1 condition on top of the invis. Probably reduce the invis duration by 1 second to balance.

Don’t see why it needs anything taken away to balance. As it is it’s an underpowered Utility skill essentially, needs serious love to be Elite level.

Im kinda torn that the number of elite skills and normal skills in that matter from gw1 to 2 has been reduced by a huge amount, which makes for less customization.

Has nobody ever considered using both veil and mass invisibility to keep a RAID of people invisible for almost 10s…………………???

This is like the 5th thread i’v seen saying that MAss invis suck, etc etc.. wtf..

Seriously.. thats why 90% of the mesmers suck in this game.. people have such a short mind for creative use of skills.. and just say 1 skill is bad because you already got another that do something alike..

now.. on the idea… idk.. i like MI.. and phantasm cds are short enough with traits to have them copied by using an elite.. lol
now IF u said.. “use it to copy the portal” now that would be some BS skills combo right there.. u could port people half way trough WvW..
but guess no1 uses that skill either.. so..

Keeping people invisible for 10s on a 90s CD, sacrificing two skill slots, is hardly that useful. You can’t attack through stealth and 10s is not enough to travel anywhere without being seen if someone’s watching.

It’s long enough to travel through a choke point or cross the back side of a room to faceroll enemy siege. Also to get a lot of free stomps.

An Elite Skill Suggestion.

Elite Skill: Mantra of Recall.
Meditate, charging a spell that will recharge all your skills and fully charge any other Mantras you have equipped.
(210 second cool down)

Persistence of Memory
Recharge all your skills and fully charge any other mantras you have equipped.
(2 second cool down)

One, its a Mantra. Two, its named after past GW skills we Mesmers have had. Three, its versatile in what it would allow us to do (Oh look, 3x of the same Phantasm in 4 seconds!). Four, it can make the Mantra build better.

For Fun suggestion, though likely a pain to code …
Elite Skill: Illusionary Weaponry.
You conjure 9x Random Illusionary Weapons on the ground around you, that you or your allies can pick up and use. Further, any Clones you have out or make will also pick up and use these weapons dealing full damage with the first skill while they or the charges last.

As for the weapons themselves, reskin various Environmental Weapons to Illusionary “X”. Say the Elementalist weapons, getting rid of their elemental type and replacing the conditions they do with Random Conditions/Buffs. Then throw in 1-hand swords, Rifles, Staves, etc.
(Cmon, I really want my Unlimited Blade Works! =P)

Mass Invisibility might work better if it were exempt from the 5 target maximum limit.
Even then it would be rather weak.

ConterK.3972:

Has nobody ever considered using both veil and mass invisibility to keep a RAID of people invisible for almost 10s…………………???

This is like the 5th thread i’v seen saying that MAss invis suck, etc etc.. wtf..

Seriously.. thats why 90% of the mesmers suck in this game.. people have such a short mind for creative use of skills.. and just say 1 skill is bad because you already got another that do something alike..

Nobody has said it’s bad or that it sucks, we’ve said it’s on par with a utility ability and doesn’t belong in the elite slot.

edit: between the two I actually like veil much more. It can be traited as a glamour, it gives a combo field, and it doesn’t have a target limit.

I use mass invis pretty much exclusively in wvw since my mantra build doesn’t allow me to use utility slots on escapes like decoy and veil. That said, it is pretty much a utility skill under the elite tag. When it was much longer duration it was fine, but now something needs to be done to help it out a little bit.

Also I’d kill to get a mantra elite so empowered mantras gets us back to +20% dmg

Mantra of Diffusion: two charges of AOE stealth for 2.5 seconds.

Two birds, one stone!

Affected by all mantra traits =p That’s an elite.

Effusion.4831:

Echo became the utility spell Mimic.
I do agree that mass invisibility isn’t elite worthy since we have veil.

Indeed, it needs a massive change.

Sound good to me, we need something, mass invisibility is so sparsely used…

Effusion.4831:

ConterK.3972:

Has nobody ever considered using both veil and mass invisibility to keep a RAID of people invisible for almost 10s…………………???

This is like the 5th thread i’v seen saying that MAss invis suck, etc etc.. wtf..

Seriously.. thats why 90% of the mesmers suck in this game.. people have such a short mind for creative use of skills.. and just say 1 skill is bad because you already got another that do something alike..

Nobody has said it’s bad or that it sucks, we’ve said it’s on par with a utility ability and doesn’t belong in the elite slot.

that’s exactly right. i’m not saying it’s a terrible skill, it clearly has it’s niche but it completely lacks the punch that most other elite skills have.

and keeping the entire raid stealthed it a bit of a stretch. mi only hits 5 targets, i’m not sure about veil i think like curtain it is usable by anyone who crosses so in that situation (wvw) veil clearly is much more powerful

MLieBennett.9031:

An Elite Skill Suggestion.

Elite Skill: Mantra of Recall.
Meditate, charging a spell that will recharge all your skills and fully charge any other Mantras you have equipped.
(210 second cool down)

interesting idea, but i think with the way that anet removed energy and is using cooldown as the main attrition mechanic for skills, any skill that lowers cooldown breaks that last resource. in some way i guess chilled is the new energy denial.

MLieBennett.9031:

For Fun suggestion, though likely a pain to code …
Elite Skill: Illusionary Weaponry.
You conjure 9x Random Illusionary Weapons on the ground around you, that you or your allies can pick up and use. Further, any Clones you have out or make will also pick up and use these weapons dealing full damage with the first skill while they or the charges last.

As for the weapons themselves, reskin various Environmental Weapons to Illusionary “X”. Say the Elementalist weapons, getting rid of their elemental type and replacing the conditions they do with Random Conditions/Buffs. Then throw in 1-hand swords, Rifles, Staves, etc.
(Cmon, I really want my Unlimited Blade Works! =P)

hahaha i love this idea, but doubt it would work, or be effective XD

The 5 target limit is the biggest problem I have with the spell. If I could force a momentary target break on the entire zerg around me… that’d be kinda cool, yeah.