Guild Wars 2

I play as mesmer since BW1, and lots os people think this is a OP Elite Skill, and it really is OP when we see a 1×1 aspect. But kind of crap in groups.
And i`m sure lots of mesmer dont even use it as myself.

i say goodbye Moa Morph, as i really wont miss it, i dont care if its removed. BUT what i would really like instead, its a MESMER Elite Skill. Where can be a really mesmer like. I really dont know how this elite would work. But anything would be better than the Moa.

Elite Skills Options:
- You will summon all your phantasms for 10s. They will not die if the target dies.
- You and all allies gains a clone [duration: 10s // radius: 1200]
- You turn into a phantasm with its own abilities.
- You can use a extra Utility Skill in this slot (would be awsome for a mesmer).

Did you try Mass Invisibility or Time Wrap? All of our elites are “mesmer like” anyway. What you want is an illusion-summoning elite.

Extra utility slot.. lol. That’d be so unfair over other professions. As much as I’d want that, no.

I miss Echo. A few others too but that would be awesome.

I’d really like the idea of something of spawning two clones for every member if your group that don’t count towards you illusion limit. That could be a really fun PvP or WvW elite. Or even PvE, although if you’ve less than a full group, perhaps it just summons up 10 people total.

For anyone that played through the Human Noble plot line there’s a story mission with Countess Anise where she does something very similar. As a tangent, I’d love to have some traits that lets you have an extra illusion or two.

Heh, I’ve got one…

Masquarade
-Summon a clone with a high health pool. Lasts 60 seconds. (is replaced by a swap skill you can use as many times as you wish for as long as the clone is alive, you and the clone switch places without a “poof” effect. Would not shatter.)

I like the idea of turning into a phantasm. Would really rock if the type of phantasm was determined by your MH weapon, but that would be like 4 elites.

Well… random idea, I guess…

Phantasmal Mesmer (CD: 150s)
Transform available clones into phantasmal mesmers. Phantasmal mesmers will ocassionally cast a Chaos Storm on top of their foe.
(10s cd inbetween each chaos storm, that’d be 8s with phantasmal haste?)

Yeah, I wouldn’t really miss moa.

Phantasmal Ineptitude
Chain skill, 60s cooldown
Summon a phantasm that applies blind and confuse (multiple stacks with a short duration). Chains into an aoe blind shatter (10s window).

(If I actually had my way all of our phantasms would be balanced more towards utility instead of damage and damage would come from the mesmer+clones).

Conjure a giant illusionary butterfly that blinds your foes due to his incredible loveliness and gives your allies random boons [due to his incredible loveliness .]? Just joking..

Yeah, the moa thing is a little bit boring in pve.. and the mass invisibility compared to the thief mass invisibility skill (not elite!) is not really useful.. I think it’s too weak..

EDIT: the butterfly HAS to be illusionary xD

“and the mass invisibility compared to the thief mass invisibility skill (not elite!) is not really useful.. I think it’s too weak.”
Agreed, it’s basically a utility skill in the elite slot.

yeah i think Moa and Mass Invibility should be replaced :
Moa because its crap
MI because it isnt worthy of Elite status

Something that Makes all clones copy the Mesmer skill for skill and damage done for like 10seconds would be pretty sweet

Though turning myself into a Phantasm would be pretty sweet as well – Could like turn all abilities done into Phantasm looking ones that deal the kinda damage that Phantasms deal

What about one that summons 3 clones that have the same health pool as you and do PROPER damage and last until killed. They could also have the same abilities you have as well rather then just using the same attack over and over again

Tuomir.1830:

Heh, I’ve got one…

Masquarade
-Summon a clone with a high health pool. Lasts 60 seconds. (is replaced by a swap skill you can use as many times as you wish for as long as the clone is alive, you and the clone switch places without a “poof” effect. Would not shatter.)

Change this slightly so that you can switch position with any clone you have for 60 seconds and it’d be fun. Might need to call it “House of Mirrors” or something instead though.

@ Tuomir " Heh, I’ve got one…

Masquarade
-Summon a clone with a high health pool. Lasts 60 seconds. (is replaced by a swap skill you can use as many times as you wish for as long as the clone is alive, you and the clone switch places without a “poof” effect. Would not shatter.)"

Make it 3 clones that last until death with a random place swap on a 10 second cool down until the 3 clones die and you got an EPIC elite

you people make me sick. 3 kick kitten elites when most classes don’t even have 1 decent one and you guys come up with even more OP nonsense for suggested “new elites”…

for shame, you malcontents!! for shame!!!!

hackks.3687:

you people make me sick. 3 kick kitten elites when most classes don’t even have 1 decent one and you guys come up with even more OP nonsense for suggested “new elites”…

for shame, you malcontents!! for shame!!!!

3? Time Warp Yeah, MI sucks for a elite and Moa is usless in like 90% of situations and even less useful in WvWvW…

Which classes do not have 1 decent elite? What are you talking about?

Moa is awesome for 1v1 and 1v2 if not just for the lolz

Time Warp is beast

Mass Invis – L2P that elite amazing. I’m not going to say why though. Find out for yourselves.

Engi has one decent elite – Supply drop
Ele has no decent elites
Necro elites have potential but nothing near as effective as any of the mesmer elites
Thief elites are purely selfish and bring almost nothing to a group

seriously, this can’t be new to you guys… mesmer elites #1

hell some of their slot skills are better than other classes elites lol

hackks.3687:

Moa is awesome for 1v1 and 1v2 if not just for the lolz

Time Warp is beast

Mass Invis – L2P that elite amazing. I’m not going to say why though. Find out for yourselves.

wow, a must have elite that is useless in WvW and only good in CERTAIN situations in S/Tpvp wow thats an amazing ability i take Time Warp over it EVERY time that first group encounter and Time Warp could easily be the different between a win or lose (in that encounter)

Mass Invis isnt even as good as a NORMAL utility skill of the Thief, so why is theres a a Utility skill instead of a Elite like ours?

hackks.3687:

Engi has one decent elite – Supply drop
Ele has no decent elites
Necro elites have potential but nothing near as effective as any of the mesmer elites
Thief elites are purely selfish and bring almost nothing to a group

seriously, this can’t be new to you guys… mesmer elites #1

hell some of their slot skills are better than other classes elites lol

ele no decent elite? Tornado AND the summon ability are both GREAT abilities and when used right they can be quality and VERY useful in any situation unlike say Moa.

necro i think have decent/good elites as well the Plague is great for Condition builds and the other one (forget the name) is great as well the difference is they BOTH have there uses for different specs

Unlike Mesmer ones which bar Time Warp are pretty much Meh except for SPECIFIC situations other then that they are pretty useless

wow. seriously? go play any other class for a while and see how often you’re busting out an elite skill that turns a fight in your favor. Half the classes I play I’d prefer to just slot another utility skill rather than be forced to choose the one (or none) semi-useful elite.

As for thief invis, I mean they have to have SOMETHING that’s useful to a group right? what else can they slot that’s useful to anyone other than themselves?

you know what’s funny and strangely telling? You guys are all making up new elites while everyone else is asking for someone else’s (mostly yours). If that isn’t indicative of the elite skill discrepancy then I don’t know what is.

malcontents! for shame!!!

hackks.3687:

wow. seriously? go play any other class for a while and see how often you’re busting out an elite skill that turns a fight in your favor. Half the classes I play I’d prefer to just slot another utility skill rather than be forced to choose the one (or none) semi-useful elite.

As for thief invis, I mean they have to have SOMETHING that’s useful to a group right? what else can they slot that’s useful to anyone other than themselves?

you know what’s funny and strangely telling? You guys are all making up new elites while everyone else is asking for someone else’s (mostly yours). If that isn’t indicative of the elite skill discrepancy then I don’t know what is.

malcontents! for shame!!!

Or that could be just the players that would rather be handed wins and think anyone that beats them in a fight is OP the Guardian insta heal everyone is one of the most OP elites with ease Tornado can be killer as well, its just kinda funny that everyone tries to pick on the ONE elite that most Mesmers dont even like anyway – so they can nerf the hell out of it for all i care – but what would be better is giving us something that is useful in all situations (wvw, dungeons, PvE and PvP) as Both MI and Moa dont give that

isnt that what an elite is mean to do, turn things into your favor – Tornado can do that, Guardian insta heal everyone can do that dont Thiefs have thives guild that spawn adds that seems pretty decent as well so is Plague and that other one they got that transforms them

Now i know Moa has issues with transformed people and minions but that ISNT a function, clearly a bug and one that should have been fixed along time ago – bet once thats fixed even less people will use Moa as well

How about..

Mime Box
Traps your target in a mime box, rooting them in place and turning them invulnerable to all attacks for X seconds. If an ally of the target inflicts damage equal to 50% of the total health of the target then the mime box shatters and releases the target but also dealing X damage(or bleeding/confusion/daze/blind/stun/other) to all allies of the target within X range.

Just thinking out loud.. :P

I love Moa Squawk!

mmmm I don’t think a Mesmer has any room to criticize someone for wanting an easier path to victory. It doesn’t get much easier than flinging AI and AAs around. Throw in an abundance of excelent slot skills and 3 solid elites to choose from for any given situation and yeah, you’re sounding rather spoiled.

secondly, if you’re talking about the Guardians aoe full heal that is not instant. it’s a 5 sec cast afaik

and OMG no you did not mention Tornado… lol, -10pts for sheer absurdity

but you’re right, elite skills are meant to turn the tide for you favorably. Which mesmers have 3 of to choose from. Most other classes don’t.

Stop being so spoiled and enjoy it while it lasts! The nerf bat is coming!!!

What I would like for an elite skill would be a signet that makes both types of illusions last until I drop combat. Make them more of a pet that I have to spend the time to get out. I do not see this being OP for PvE, I am not sure how it would be for PvP.

The other option I would like would be a signet that makes only clones not vanish at all until shattered or killed, and they target what ever I attack. Make it so they have a random formation around the mesmer when not in combat that way PvP the other side will not just target the middle one, they have a chance of getting a fake one. If we are suppose to confuse who we are fighting we should be doing it before they even see us.

I like people like hackks, without them the posts would be much more serious and developers might start actually reading them. The way it is, no chance the whining spewed out will reach them, since it’s mostly illiterate LOLing.

Anyhow, another elite would be nice. Moa just doesn’t fit in, there’s no other transforms in our class setup. Sure we have dazes, but Moa isn’t a proper daze either.

A more fitting thing would be an elite Mantra, an elite Phantasm skill, something summoning X Clones at the same time, portable Portal, PBAE Blink, Echo (an upgaded Arcane Thievery, after all), such stuff.

House of Mirrors

Gain stealth for 1 second and conjure a Clone in your place. This effect triggers every 3 seconds for 30 seconds.

@ Hackks “and OMG no you did not mention Tornado… lol, -10pts for sheer absurdity”

What class do you play? Tornado is a VERY strong skill when used at the RIGHT time, Unlike Moa and unlike MI it can be VERY useful in group fights. I use either Tornado or the Greater Elemental on my Ele and think both are superior then both MI which is a laughable Elite when the Thief has a better version (IMO) that is only a Utility ability. Shadow Refuge has a 60second cool down AND heals people, MI has a 90second cool down and gives stealth for like 2-3seconds personally i would take Shadow Refuge any day over MI

I think most of the Mesmer players would be HAPPY to have both MI and Moa replaced with something more useful we have ONE ability that can be used in pretty much Any situation. What other classes have 2/3 of the Elites they have that are either simply out done by other classes UTILITY or very situational?

I would say we got the short end of the stick, we get ONE that is useful in most situations and 2 that are barely used but still moaned about that not many Mesmers even use.

I could name several elites from other professions that i would rather have instead of both MI and Moa bar its issues with transformed people and minions which are BUGS Moa isnt even that strong once that is fixed even less people will use them

So in my opinion, It isnt wrong at all for us to suggest “better” or more USEFUL elites then Moa and MI because at the moment they are very poor excuses for elites not even sure how Moa is meant to fit into the class at all

The idea of a perpetual Clone + Stealth sounds awesome. It’d be useful in PvE (deaggro every 3s), sPvP (good 1v1 confusion potential due to the sheer number of clones generated) and WvW (target lock breaks).

Only problem I could foresee would be that it’d work amazingly well with on-clone-destroy traits, especially once you have 2 Phantasms out. Tilts the worth of traits a fair amount.

I’d be happy to see moa changed. Its generally I win in duels and pretty useless outside necroform striping or rez interuption in group. Mesmers would still win the majority of duels without it, group skills is what they need.

Why are people still talking about the moa going away?

The moa isn’t going away, it may get a slight change, but it is not going away.

I have one:

Replicant

Tteleport to a target location and become invisible, leaving behind an exact copy of yourself. While invisible, you are rooted and all your abilities and movement are executed by your Replicant. Lasts 10 seconds.

Could be fun

• My Little Army
  Evade attacks, create 9 miniature clones, continue to evade attack until the miniature clones are destroyed or shattered.

- You can use a extra Utility Skill in this slot (would be awsome for a mesmer).

add a reduced CD fot that utility and it would be awesome :P

Mesmerize/ Hypnotize Them All

Influences the mobility of your target area. (Could be: Chill, Cripple or Immobilize) After that your foes will be effected by some mind-altering thing (like: confusion/ fear).
If they leave the target area, it will break your hypnotize/ mesmerize effect on them instantly. If anyone enters the target area, he/ she will also be affected as described above.
Yourself gain one random boon every [..] second, as long as there are any foes hypnotized/ mesmerized.

I really like this one.

-The moa isn’t going away, it may get a slight change, but it is not going away.

If the skill get nerfed, it will be put at side for all the mesmer. I may have good use the way it is, and we already have doubts. So i prefer to kill the Moa completely than nerf it and become useless.

Mind Bending

Make your enemies perceive their allies as hostile targets, causing friendly fire.

now that would be awesome.

Replace Moa Morph with a signet that’s passive lets me have an extra illusion up and I’ll can live with its loss.

Embolism.8106:

House of Mirrors

Gain stealth for 1 second and conjure a Clone in your place. This effect triggers every 3 seconds for 30 seconds.

That could actually be one if the duration wasn’t so OP.
Maybe every 3 seconds for 9 seconds or 12 seconds.

Honestly I just want elites from GW1 back. GW1 had so many awesome mesmer combinations you could come up with. I’m highly disappointed in build variety for gw2.
Power Block – “Target is dazed for 10 seconds if target foe has a boon or a condition. All boons are removed.”
Keystone Signet – “Passive: Activated illusions recharge 25% faster and deal 10% more damage. Shatters recharge 10% faster. Active: Summon Phantasmal Swordmaster, Berserker and Duelist phantasms, Recharge all shatters.”
Hex Eater Vortex – “Remove all conditions from all allies, give all boons for 10 seconds, heal them for 25% of your maximum health”.
Mantra of Recall – “Prepare a skill which recharges all skills.” (MoR can be used as many times as build allows mantra skills to be used before recharging)
Panic – “Create a spell at your position. All foes in this area are dazed for 1 second every 2 seconds, and stunned for 1 second every 4 seconds. This spell lasts for 8 seconds.”
Shared Burden – “Your foe, and all foes in the area gain chilled, confusion, vulnerability, and confusion for 10 seconds. You gain 10 seconds of retaliation.”
Fevered Dream – “If single target foe has a condition, target foe gains all duration stacking conditions for 10 seconds, and 10 stacks of all intensity stacking conditions for normal duration. Target is feared.”
Recurring Insecurity – “Ground Target skill, all foes within this area gain weakness, immobolize, vulnerability, every second for 10 seconds, and fear every 5 seconds for 10 seconds.”
Phantasm of Distraction – “Summon a phantasm that casts fear on creation and randomly casts fear, stun, or dazed every 3 seconds.”

I could do this all day.

I definitely loved Panic!!

…and still – Moa is the only thing that counter Thief in Dagger Storm