Guild Wars 2

so give your ideas around Mirage and Axe weapon
the blur sound a design to handle DH traps…. isnt it?!

axe 900 range
AA – vulnerability – like the necro??? weakness probably for self sustain. or maybe both
would we see retaliation reliable source? . necro got it so probably not . but necro axe hardly used so maybe yes? maybe give aoe retaliation by the number of illusion you have
or a skill which give blur for 2 sec with 15 sec cd…
the clone do what? will it be teleport like the sword or stealth or leap like the staff
my idea is like the sword. you teleport to your enemy (sword create a clone near the enemy) and you can switch places back. good for shatter burst and teleport option. with blur you can be safe for your burst
the dmg should be chill or cripple or blind

trait:
do we get superspeed when he blur? –
a stunbreak with blur
dmg buff for couple of sec when we blur
i read around here ppl said dodges will get replace by blur. its sound the same unless they give blur a unique effect
what about stability and might buff…do they have place in this trait line?
blind ability sound nice with the mirage concept
what will shatter do? are they gonna be the same? or give blur or refuel the endurance for blur abilities
share your thought ..

tbh even the leak is true , anet could change the elite spec , specially weapon .i assume the next expansion will come out in late 2017 .

too earlier to talk about that .

I saw someone idea like boon control , just like necro corruption skill .the self applied condi will be self boon removal for mes .

elite spec ? gain access to another energy source : Mirror which will be 3 tiny rings around the 3 pink dots . all your skill which generate clone will generate mirror ring instead.(phants will be untouched )so the pink dot = phants , blue mirror ring = your new energy source .

for each mirror ring you have ,you will shatter one more time on yourself .

we could have some skills working this wayall skill will remove 1 unique boon from yourself )

1.remove 2 unique boons from yourself and for each boon removed it send 3 stacks of might and stabilty to allies around you . cd 25s(also stun break )
2. absorb 3 unique boons from foes around you and give you a second skill which is an aoe to grant the boons to allies . cd 25s
3.remove 1 unique boons around the target, gain 1 mirror for each boons removed . cd 15s

heal: absorb all boons on you. heal small amount then grant all boons on yourself for 2s (just like thief skill) then it will give you a 4s buff which heal you for every boon you self apply .

elite : it create a field which denies enemies boons effect and generating for 10s , and for each boon it blocked it will damage foes for xxx damage . 90s cd

someone trait :
1. whenever you remove unique boon , your damage is increased by 15%
2.whenever you remove unique boon from yourself .you deal xxx damage around you icd 10s

GM trait :

1.your ”corruption skill “ will remove one more unique boon but for each unique boon you remove it will give you 1 mirror ring .

2. add an effect to your f4 shatter : it will grant an aoe buff around you which will double effectiveness of all boons ,duration is same as f4 shatter .

3. when you summon phants ,you consume all your mirror ring and add a blast damage to your phants first attack . ofc more mirror ring consumed , more damage will be dealt .

I’d like to see axe be a solid hybrid weapon with the ability to generate might (like ranger’s axe) and some mobility (a leap or a port). That would allow the option of speccing whatever you like – power, condi or hybrid.

Otherwise I don’t want the weapon to be pigeonholed down one gear type.

But Mirage sounds awesome and exactly the kind of elite spec I was hoping for (especially thematic given desert pve zones) and I’m hoping it comes with the potential for more mind games, control and trickery – I’d gladly lose burst damage in order to play this way.

Mirage makes me tentative hopeful that the design is very much based on being as elusive and slippery as possible. Difficult to hit, free to do damage because other cannot pressure you much.

Curunen.8729:

I’d like to see axe be a solid hybrid weapon with the ability to generate might (like ranger’s axe) and some mobility (a leap or a port). That would allow the option of speccing whatever you like – power, condi or hybrid.

I feel like ANet doesn’t have a great track record with hybrid weapons, though?

tobascodagama.2961:

Curunen.8729:

I’d like to see axe be a solid hybrid weapon with the ability to generate might (like ranger’s axe) and some mobility (a leap or a port). That would allow the option of speccing whatever you like – power, condi or hybrid.

I feel like ANet doesn’t have a great track record with hybrid weapons, though?

Sure but I’d prefer the flexibility.

As it is I’d rather use Scepter in a pure zerker build than Greatsword in a pure condi build. Tbh scepter can go in any build.

Or at least give us the option to trait axe towards the type of damage we’d like (given there aren’t skill evolutions as in other games).

seeing how they bring back acro line for daredevil, maybe they can introduce hexes to GW2? I don’t really mind having a completely different playstyle though, afterall its specialisation.

mirage sounds like some manipulation of light? So maybe stealth abusing can be some part of the elite line.

I can think of funny trait, say, all illusions are in stealth for 1 sec after they are generated.
Or something like, when you dodge, all illusions receive blur effect.

One part of chrono line is about rapid clone generating and shattering. I would love to see mirage line being more about clone sustaining and surviving.

And of course, some stealth detecting skills would be nice.

As far as the axe goes, I’ll be happy if it’s able to support either condi or direct damage. I think most likely if I liked Mirage, I would end up playing axe, scepter, torch and some other offhand (depending on what fits).

I think you can only have one Elite spec slotted, so picking Mirage means losing Chronomancer. So I would really want a viable way to have a decent passive run speed. The F5 shatter is amazingly fun for Chronomancer, so I hope Mirage gets it’s own interesting F5. I suppose there would be a lot of people who might hate the idea of more “passive” play, but I think it would be cool if Mirage unlocked a phantasm elite skill.

All I know is that Mirage (or whatever its going to be) better have some kitten good utility to convince me to give up the shield and f5 from the chrono line. The wells and alacrity I could live without, but it will be a lot harder to live without CS or shield

I was actually hoping for main hand dagger. Funny enough I was thinking of mirage myself, seeing as it was going to be in the dessert.

Axe just seems so brutish for my delicate mesmer.

MH dagger and mirage spec should be about clones being tougher, and doing more damage. Was also leaning power for the spec. With the dagger giving a stealth to combo with torch.

What exactly is the difference between Blur and Dodge? I thought Blurred Frenzy’s effect was called Blur because of the skill name, but Anet wants it to be something more? It would be interesting if blurring had added benefits from traits. It would make sword 2 even better than it already is. Maybe it would also prevent condition damage (just damage!). Who knows. I like the name a lot. Mirage to me is a great Mesmer name. But MH axe? I was really hoping for MH dagger. It’s just so much more of a caster weapon and it can still work as a range weapon. Axe, even on Necro seems weird to me as a range weapon. It would make more sense to swap the two around and make axe the melee/life stealing weapon and dagger the range power weapon.

The ideas going around about stealth make me think that our new utilities would be Deception skills. I’d love to see a skill that makes the target window, from an enemy’s perspective, on us look like a clone’s, and the clone’s looks like ours. We would still have all our effects, conditions, boons, etc., but this could confuse even players if you get good at acting like a clone. The clone could even be a special kind that has the same hp and toughness as us. It would be our only clone like that. This would make it even harder to tell who the real Mesmer is. This to me is what the Mesmer is about. It’s about pure confusion, and not just a condition that punishes attacking. I mean the confusion you get when so much is going on and you don’t know what’s real.

Blur and Distortion give the same result (invulnerability, cool shimmering special effect) but Distortion blocks capturing and is affected by Inspiring Distortion.

The difference between Blur and Dodge is that Dodge is an Evade while Blur is Invulnerability. Also, Dodge travels and breaks channels, while Blur doesn’t necessarily.

Again so many wrong comments in here… Just like buffs and boons on phantasms…

Blur = evade

Distortion = invulnerability.

Difference between the 2, other than capture point?

When you blurred frenzy (blur) vs a target with retal, you will take retal dmg. With distortion you wont get retal dmg.
Same with shock aura. With blur you will get stunned, you wont with distortion.

Same will happen with many other un-evadable effects (electric fence, unstable ground, slick shoes, DH f1 pull, etc ) but with distortion they will never happen…

Blur = evade frames. Same evade frames as any other skill with evade or same as dodging. It just gives you a fancy buff icon in your bar.

FJSAMA.2867:

Again so many wrong comments in here… Just like buffs and boons on phantasms…

Blur = evade

Distortion = invulnerability.

Difference between the 2, other than capture point?

When you blurred frenzy (blur) vs a target with retal, you will take retal dmg. With distortion you wont get retal dmg.
Same with shock aura. With blur you will get stunned, you wont with distortion.

Same will happen with many other un-evadable effects (electric fence, unstable ground, slick shoes, DH f1 pull, etc ) but with distortion they will never happen…

Blur = evade frames. Same evade frames as any other skill with evade or same as dodging. It just gives you a fancy buff icon in your bar.

the blur doest give retal dmg rather the sword attack
so yes if the blur will give dmg in some way you will take retal dmg
but if blur wont do any dmg it will be just an evade like dodge (without cancel action i think)

so blur alone is boring like another dodge on a thief

also do you think if anet gonna nerf SOI maybe they will give some back with the new trait line

What i meant was:
Under the effect of blur, you can take retaliation damage (plus the other things). With distortion, you wont.
Also dont mix up blur (the buff that grants evade) with blurred frenzy skill. Yes, blurred frenzy gives blur, but isnt blur that gives damage.. Just to be clear.

If there is a condi focus, I see the axe as a melee cleave hybrid weapon, akin to Revenant mace. A ranged main-hand condi weapon makes no sense with Scepter and Staff already in our ar — senal.

I predict something extremely OP compared to chrono

Azukas.1426:

I predict something extremely OP compared to chrono

I predict a nerf (breaking) of every current elite spec before launch and every new elite spec being even more powerful than the state of all the current elite specs.

+1 to that ^^^

:-(

Silverkey.2078:

If there is a condi focus, I see the axe as a melee cleave hybrid weapon, akin to Revenant mace. A ranged main-hand condi weapon makes no sense with Scepter and Staff already in our kitten nal.

would be nice to have a ranged power to compete with greatsword at mid range.

Lightsbane.9012:

Silverkey.2078:

If there is a condi focus, I see the axe as a melee cleave hybrid weapon, akin to Revenant mace. A ranged main-hand condi weapon makes no sense with Scepter and Staff already in our kitten nal.

would be nice to have a ranged power to compete with greatsword at mid range.

GS has the best damaging phantasm skill. We might struggle to find a good off-hand to go with axe.

Curunen.8729:

Azukas.1426:

I predict something extremely OP compared to chrono

I predict a nerf (breaking) of every current elite spec before launch and every new elite spec being even more powerful than the state of all the current elite specs.

I’m torn about this. How some elite specs were designed, especially chrono, were conceptually power creep before any numbers were decided. F5 is just too kitten strong for balance. Herald, daredevil, and berserker feel like this too.

Other classes like Engineer, Necro and Guard actually have a decent elite spec and balance. It may not seem that way in PvE (elite spec all the way besides condi engi or condi ranger) but WvW and even some PvP builds are better as base engi, guard or necro.

Granted engi is weird because function gyro is so specific and they don’t have room for an F6. Tempest is in the weird middle too. WvW ele is better with the base class with fresh air and backline staff. The overloads are kind of balanced in that they are a long cast time and recharge on a squishy class and yet still very much power creep.

I think what’s going to happen is the split is going to stay that way. Tempest and maybe engineer will likely stay in a weird spot. Other classes will be actual side grades. Like if the leaks are to be trusted, sand shroud for Necro is going to be like RS, different but not necessarily better than DS. Some classes will forever more be power creep elite specs objectively better than the base class: Mesmer is here. I don’t think we will get just another pure support elite spec so probably massive DPS power creep elite spec that isn’t so shatter spammy in PvP.

Exciton.8942:

Lightsbane.9012:

Silverkey.2078:

If there is a condi focus, I see the axe as a melee cleave hybrid weapon, akin to Revenant mace. A ranged main-hand condi weapon makes no sense with Scepter and Staff already in our kitten nal.

would be nice to have a ranged power to compete with greatsword at mid range.

GS has the best damaging phantasm skill. We might struggle to find a good off-hand to go with axe.

that’s what i’m thinking as well. i guess focus could make a comback?

Lightsbane.9012:

Exciton.8942:

Lightsbane.9012:

Silverkey.2078:

If there is a condi focus, I see the axe as a melee cleave hybrid weapon, akin to Revenant mace. A ranged main-hand condi weapon makes no sense with Scepter and Staff already in our kitten nal.

would be nice to have a ranged power to compete with greatsword at mid range.

GS has the best damaging phantasm skill. We might struggle to find a good off-hand to go with axe.

that’s what i’m thinking as well. i guess focus could make a comback?

Focus will be the best OH to go with Axe if the spec has anything at all to do with DPS or good cleave attacks (both of which base mesmer is sorely lacking). The ability to group up enemies to be cleaved down by the axe will be a pretty powerful combo in PvE. In PvP, I can see torch being used with it depending on the range that Axe has.

After reading the leak…
I have 2 things I’d like to mention. (IF these leaks are true)

1) Considering Axe is usually a damage based weapon (not support or defensive) I’m quite positive that the next Mesmer elite spec will be a pure dps spec compared to Chrono being a DPS support skill.

And ever since I heard about the elite specs I hoped Mesmer would get a pure DPS spec (since base mesmer damage is kittenty as well.)
So i’m kind of happy with this.

2) Although I like the idea of axe on Mesmer I feel like (if the idea is to make a pure dps spec) dagger would be a better idea & would suit mesmer more.

Either way I’ll be very happy with either. Would give me a reason to craft Astralaria.
Love the legendary but I don’t play any class that uses axe. ;-;

Curunen.8729:

Azukas.1426:

I predict something extremely OP compared to chrono

I predict a nerf (breaking) of every current elite spec before launch and every new elite spec being even more powerful than the state of all the current elite specs.

Nah because you can’t use 2 elite specs. The only way they are going to break former elites is if previous xpacs become f2p. Otherwise I believe they’ll just introduce another huge power creep into the,game.

OriOri.8724:

Lightsbane.9012:

Exciton.8942:

Lightsbane.9012:

Silverkey.2078:

If there is a condi focus, I see the axe as a melee cleave hybrid weapon, akin to Revenant mace. A ranged main-hand condi weapon makes no sense with Scepter and Staff already in our kitten nal.

would be nice to have a ranged power to compete with greatsword at mid range.

GS has the best damaging phantasm skill. We might struggle to find a good off-hand to go with axe.

that’s what i’m thinking as well. i guess focus could make a comback?

Focus will be the best OH to go with Axe if the spec has anything at all to do with DPS or good cleave attacks (both of which base mesmer is sorely lacking). The ability to group up enemies to be cleaved down by the axe will be a pretty powerful combo in PvE. In PvP, I can see torch being used with it depending on the range that Axe has.

mesmer also has the problem of melee sustain, so unless the axe has a reliable leap or some kind flurry (with movement) i’m not sure how i’ll feel about it.

Azukas.1426:

Curunen.8729:

Azukas.1426:

I predict something extremely OP compared to chrono

I predict a nerf (breaking) of every current elite spec before launch and every new elite spec being even more powerful than the state of all the current elite specs.

Nah because you can’t use 2 elite specs. The only way they are going to break former elites is if previous xpacs become f2p. Otherwise I believe they’ll just introduce another huge power creep into the,game.

The point is current elite specs will be weaker to encourage sales of the new expansion/elite specs. Otherwise how many would bother buying if Chrono was on par (or potentially stronger than) with Mirage at initial release.

Sure 6 months after release I’d imagine both elite specs will be equalised, but not initially.

Curunen.8729:

Azukas.1426:

Curunen.8729:

Azukas.1426:

I predict something extremely OP compared to chrono

I predict a nerf (breaking) of every current elite spec before launch and every new elite spec being even more powerful than the state of all the current elite specs.

Nah because you can’t use 2 elite specs. The only way they are going to break former elites is if previous xpacs become f2p. Otherwise I believe they’ll just introduce another huge power creep into the,game.

The point is current elite specs will be weaker to encourage sales of the new expansion/elite specs. Otherwise how many would bother buying if Chrono was on par (or potentially stronger than) with Mirage at initial release.

Sure 6 months after release I’d imagine both elite specs will be equalised, but not initially.

No the new elite spec will be the only way to play Mesmer competitively by design. It’ll go Mirage > Chrono > Core, and it will prolly be this way for all classes.

I’m honestly scared wtf they are going to introduce in this next go around b/c the last xpac was so bad in regards to balance.

So I don’t have a max level mesmer and am pretty new to this game. If the mirage is a main hand axe and chrono uses shields why couldn’t you use both specs at the same time? I think an axe and shield combo using both elite specs would be fun.

Read this:
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Specialization
Here are all info how secialization and new trait line system work.

Gotcha thank you

Curunen.8729:

Azukas.1426:

I predict something extremely OP compared to chrono

I predict a nerf (breaking) of every current elite spec before launch and every new elite spec being even more powerful than the state of all the current elite specs.

I gotta say.. u saw this coming! I hope thats the nerf with yesterday’s patch!!
I ’m really hyped about Mirage..