>< mesmer condi help
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Probably won’t help since I’ve been using a weird Mesmer condi build (of my own design) that is not officially sanctioned by anyone, anywhere but after calculating the highest condi damage I could this is where I’m at:
0/6/2/0/6 all Rabid. Staff & Scepter/Torch. Full Perplexity runes. Sigils of Torment in there as well.
This build that I call my ‘Mesmermancer’ will probably be scoffed at by all and feared by none, but the condi damage is truly impressive. Again, all Rabid is the key.
Why do you have 6 points in dueling if you’re aiming for maximum condition damage?
Well that’s a good point actually. I need to take 5 points to get Confusing Combatants, as well as DE and Phantasmal Fury.
I’m taking the new GM trait Maim the Disillusioned so I’m kind of stuck with that last extra point. I put it in Dueling to pick up another new GM trait Triumphant Distortion since I have no better place to put it (and because I like the way it looks
and seriously because there is really no other option for a condi spec, and added survivability is always good for one.)
~An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way.~
(edited by Wasbunny.6531)
Probably won’t help since I’ve been using a weird Mesmer condi build (of my own design) that is not officially sanctioned by anyone, anywhere but after calculating the highest condi damage I could this is where I’m at:
0/6/2/0/6 all Rabid. Staff & Scepter/Torch. Full Perplexity runes. Sigils of Torment in there as well.
This build that I call my ‘Mesmermancer’ will probably be scoffed at by all and feared by none, but the condi damage is truly impressive. Again, all Rabid is the key.
Why do you have 6 points in dueling if you’re aiming for maximum condition damage?
Well that’s a good point actually. I need to take 5 points to get Confusing Combatants, as well as DE and Phantasmal Fury.
I’m taking the new GM trait Maim the Disillusioned so I’m kind of stuck with that last extra point. I put it in Dueling to pick up another new GM trait Triumphant Distortion since I have no better place to put it (and because I like the way it looks
Well, I’m just remarking on the fact that if you’re going for maximum condition damage, your setup is all wrong. You’d need to be 0/0/5/4/5 for absolute maximum, or 0/4/5/0/5 for a more workable setup. Your setup sounds like it’ll cap at around 2100ish condition damage with full stacks of corruption and guard leech.
Probably won’t help since I’ve been using a weird Mesmer condi build (of my own design) that is not officially sanctioned by anyone, anywhere but after calculating the highest condi damage I could this is where I’m at:
0/6/2/0/6 all Rabid. Staff & Scepter/Torch. Full Perplexity runes. Sigils of Torment in there as well.
This build that I call my ‘Mesmermancer’ will probably be scoffed at by all and feared by none, but the condi damage is truly impressive. Again, all Rabid is the key.
Why do you have 6 points in dueling if you’re aiming for maximum condition damage?
Well that’s a good point actually. I need to take 5 points to get Confusing Combatants, as well as DE and Phantasmal Fury.
I’m taking the new GM trait Maim the Disillusioned so I’m kind of stuck with that last extra point. I put it in Dueling to pick up another new GM trait Triumphant Distortion since I have no better place to put it (and because I like the way it looks
Well, I’m just remarking on the fact that if you’re going for maximum condition damage, your setup is all wrong. You’d need to be 0/0/5/4/5 for absolute maximum, or 0/4/5/0/5 for a more workable setup. Your setup sounds like it’ll cap at around 2100ish condition damage with full stacks of corruption and guard leech.
I can see that. But I’m not really just calculating condi damage of conditions but the ability to apply conditions in the first place. For instance, on crit condis (torment) and bleed from my illusions, torment on shatter (new GM) and the condis applied from illusion death traits. With those builds it seems like I’d be losing out on a lot of application of the condis even though my condi damage is increased. I could be wrong but it seems like the overall condi DPS would be lower than my build.
EDIT: Looks like I was pretty close with my previous build of 0/5/5/0/4. I’m really multiplying for AoE condi damage so that AoE Confusion illusion death trait Confusing Combatants is really important. Picking up that new GM that adds Torment on shatter though changed things around a bit.
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@wasbunny: I noticed that in a previous post you mentioned your condition damage is around 1580. That’s…pretty low. In a standard WvW condie build, I hold around 2050 fully buffed/stacked, and if you wanted to go for absolute maximum I believe the grand total was something near 3000.
Something else to note is that you’re using old confusion in your calculations. 450 per stack is 2000 condition damage pre-nerf. Now that’s 225 per stack. With your 1600ish condition damage, it’ll be 185 per stack.
Right right. That 1580 is without food or any might, and PvE only. Looks like it’s 1974 with food and tuning crystals and Sigil of Domination. Of course this is again without might. I think the beauty of that new GM trait is that Cry of Frustration adds 3 stacks of Torment, 6 stacks of Confusion & 3 stacks of might in one shatter with this build. And if the sigil procs another stack of Torment (56% crit chance so it usually does). Of course the staff is continually adding Might & Torment on it’s auto-attack (double bounce trait as well).
It looks like when fully buffed with 25 stacks of might the condi damage is 2849. This is without corruption stacks or ‘guard buff’ (I’m honestly embarrassed not to know what this is).
Honestly haven’t crunched the numbers to this extent but it seems like adding that much additional conditions outweighs the added condi damage.
EDIT: Feel a bit honored and humbled by Pyro analyzing my build. Big fan. 
~An intellectual says a simple thing in a hard way. An artist says a hard thing in a simple way.~
(edited by Wasbunny.6531)
@wasbunny: I noticed that in a previous post you mentioned your condition damage is around 1580. That’s…pretty low. In a standard WvW condie build, I hold around 2050 fully buffed/stacked, and if you wanted to go for absolute maximum I believe the grand total was something near 3000.
Something else to note is that you’re using old confusion in your calculations. 450 per stack is 2000 condition damage pre-nerf. Now that’s 225 per stack. With your 1600ish condition damage, it’ll be 185 per stack.
Right right. That 1580 is without food or any might, and PvE only. Looks like it’s 1974 with food and tuning crystals and Sigil of Domination. Of course this is again without might. I think the beauty of that new GM trait is that Cry of Frustration adds 3 stacks of Torment, 6 stacks of Confusion & 3 stacks of might in one shatter with this build. And if the sigil procs another stack of Torment (56% crit chance so it usually does). Of course the staff is continually adding Might & Torment on it’s auto-attack (double bounce trait as well).
Honestly haven’t crunched the numbers to this extent but it seems like adding that much additional conditions outweighs the added condi damage.
Well, it doesn’t really. The torment shatter is actually a very weak trait. Any build with that trait could be done better as a standard clone-death build without shatters. The issue is that shatters are fairly easy to avoid. Dodgeable, blockable, blindable, etc. None of those apply with clone deaths. On top of that, 3 stacks of torment is just…eh. It honestly doesn’t do that much damage, and the confusion lasts 4 seconds at best. Your opponent will either straight cleanse all of it…or just stand still a few seconds using no skills and that whole shatter will do about 1500 damage.
Note that this isn’t something particular about your build itself. It’s inherent to the trait, it’s simply too weak to be a shatter trait. It doesn’t reward the sacrifice of so many resources well enough. Your big shatter is Cry in this build. It does 1500 damage if your opponent stands still and takes no actions. Compare this to a glassy shatter build where each clone (+ IP) will do 2000-2500 damage.
But isn’t that the magic of Confusion/Torment and Mesmers in general? I mean in order to not eat the damage they have to stand motionless using no skills for at least 4 seconds, all the while you pile on more Confusion and more Torment and have your way with them. And how much damage do they take if they chose to ignore the stacks of Confusion & Torment? Or use a cleanse and put it on cooldown only to have more quickly added?
It ends up being sort of a tricky lock-down condi build. I’ll concede though that on my part it’s all mainly theoretical since I don’t PvP much and for God’s sake I’m debating this with Pyro.
EDIT: Looks like the Confusion lasts about 7 seconds for Cry of Frustration if that makes any difference. Master of Misdirection taken & with food.
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