Guild Wars 2

i just saw this post today .
https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/4y2p1w/pvp_class_tier_lists/

what you guys thought of it ?

personally i felt mes is a bit better when solo for small maps like forest . Staff DD started getting nasty to fight with now tho.

Not surprised at all with any of this. Mesmer hate, nerfs, QQ on condis, portal/moa primary reasons for keeping it, no sustainable power build. The only surprise that its still that high in team ranking. It will probably slide out of team rankings too once they figure out that moa/portal isn’t enough to make a meaningful, sustainable contribution. Its time to re-invent ourselves fellow Mesmers.

I see only S, A, and B tier. Are they trying to be considerate?

Sarcasm aside, I am more interest in solo queue tier list since I play alot of solo queue, wasn’t our “hight burst” damage support to save us in our low dps department?

Mmmm what does it means I wonder?
Is it because of mesmer set up time for each burst and we have to wait for each clone/phantasm skills to cooldown for each burst?
Or because of “I swear to god is not our L.O.W. auto attack”?

I haven’t done any PvP in a while, but… Yeah, that sounds about right to me? kitten sustained damage, burst and survivability keep getting nerfed. What we have left are a couple of gimmicks that won’t work against good opponents. In other words, B tier for Solo Queue and how good it is for Competitive depends on milking Portal for all it’s worth.

Whether it is solo queue or competitive level play, mesmer’s power mostly relies on good moa and portal play now.

Two patches ago, condition mesmer was the king of 1v1s(only lost to trap DH which was out of meta). So you could pretty much just push into every 1v1 you see. Portal and moa are just icing on the cake.

But now you will struggle with a lot of 1v1s. DH is our hard counter. Scrapper, Druid, Staff thieves are hard matchups. Power/Condition warrior is even fight. The only easy 1v1s are against reaper, dp thief and revenant. But none of these three were built for any 1v1s.

You will insult me but now i see meta carrion mesmer with staff, sword shield , portal and so on great for a team play. Great mobility , you can move between points and so on , great build for that role .
For soloing i have more success with condition rabid scepter staff mesmer . It is stupid but portal without a team that uses it is quite unsuefull and for many 1 vs 1 i prefer scepter/staff to stay melee and condi spam . I also find phantasmal disenchanter better than portal for soloing … but you will insult me

I find that to fight the staff thief you need to REALLY be good at reading the animations. The problems with the build are:

1. Bound.
2. Acrobatics passives.
3. Staff 3 glitch.

Bound shouldn’t crit or count as a leap finisher. The Acrobatics passives need to go away along with the rest of the passives in the game. They also need to fix that staff 3 glitch because it really kittens up someone watching animations.

I’ve been testing some builds out both power/condi to try to best figure out how to deal with this build.

Azukas, do you just demand nerfs on every build you lose to, or what?

tobascodagama.2961:

Azukas, do you just demand nerfs on every build you lose to, or what?

Bound can hit 4-5k on 5 people. It’s a dodge, and it’s actually quite ridiculous. I would rather see their interrupt trait be able to crit instead of their freaking dodge. It’s already a leap finisher…

The acrobat passives are defense passives and I’m against any and all traits like that. 2 seconds of evade when under 50% life and hard to catch which is a free stun break every 30 seconds that also grants 100% extra endurance regen

Staff 3 glitch is where the thief hits 3, hits you, and instead of dodging back he stands right in front of you. So all the soft CC in the world isn’t going to help you vs this.

What part of that post is unclear to you?

both of these lists are incorrect

Frostball.9108:

both of these lists are incorrect

And how would you list them with or without explanation for EU?

Frostball.9108:

both of these lists are incorrect

Wait a player on a non relevant NA team has made a tier list that’s pretty much full of kitten???

Who would have thought…

Frostball.9108:

both of these lists are incorrect

Such reasoning. Much evidence. Wow.

tobascodagama.2961:

Frostball.9108:

both of these lists are incorrect

Such reasoning. Much evidence. Wow.

He’s a pro league player who plays mesmer in the EU league. His team actually has been in the finals, and should have been last season.

You take the NA player’s PoV but not the EU player who is more accomplished, successful, and just down right knows mesmer better?

Azukas.1426:

tobascodagama.2961:

Frostball.9108:

both of these lists are incorrect

Such reasoning. Much evidence. Wow.

He’s a pro league player who plays mesmer in the EU league. His team actually has been in the finals, and should have been last season.

You take the NA player’s PoV but not the EU player who is more accomplished, successful, and just down right knows mesmer better?

Well if we’re also pulling accomplishments and such he’s also one of the few players who’s been outright banned from ESL tournaments. Now I don’t care either way about that but Frostball could certainly have said more than that he thinks both lists are wrong. I mean for all you know Azukas he might think mesmer is in fact weaker, we don’t know as no reasoning or list was given.

SOLO “Mesmer – Mesmer has taken a lot of defensive hits, resulting in it losing a lot more 1v1s. Thieves are more prevalent in solo queue, so Portal isn’t as useful. In team fights, other classes are always stronger. I considered putting Mesmer in C Tier, but I don’t think it deserves it quite yet. Regardless, Mesmer is probably the weakest class from a solo queue perspective.” Mesmer has taken defensive hits, but they havent been hits large enough to place mesmer anywhere below S in soloq unless youre not good simply because well you can do just about anything as mesmer.

“Engineer – While Scrapper took some hits to its Hammer skills, it’s probably the best defensive carry for solo queue based almost solely on the rez potential. It’s just as versatile as the Revenant, but with slightly more defensive tendencies.” Are you kidding me? Engi probably has one of the smallest impacts on how a game flows in soloq, while it is nice to have one, you need something to back it up and well you just cant trust in other people when it comes to soloq.

COMP “Mesmer – Mesmer is a tricky one to place. Unless Thief is meta, Mesmer is going to be an option because of the pure utility supplied by Portal. It’s more difficult to play in the current meta because of the nerfs to defensive cooldowns, but when played well it can bring a lot to the team.” Thief is not in “meta” at the moment as far as i know and probably even if it was mesmer would be close to S tier but for the moment it most definitely is S tier, a good mesmer can control the whole game. You simply cannot play without a mesmer and still be on the same level with other teams that are using mesmer, it is a must have in every competitive team for now, youll always be handicapped if you dont have one. Keep in mind im not saying its impossible to win without one, it just makes it harder.

There are probably more things that i didnt notice at first glance but those are the things that especially stuck out to me.

Edit: I dont see how me being banned affects this in any way as it has nothing to do with my game knowledge. If you want to take something out of it why not concentrate on how we managed to win a game even though i was playing with fairly subpar players vs a supposedly top team?

Frostball.9108:

SOLO “Mesmer – Mesmer has taken a lot of defensive hits, resulting in it losing a lot more 1v1s. Thieves are more prevalent in solo queue, so Portal isn’t as useful. In team fights, other classes are always stronger. I considered putting Mesmer in C Tier, but I don’t think it deserves it quite yet. Regardless, Mesmer is probably the weakest class from a solo queue perspective.” Mesmer has taken defensive hits, but they havent been hits large enough to place mesmer anywhere below S in soloq unless youre not good simply because well you can do just about anything as mesmer.

“Engineer – While Scrapper took some hits to its Hammer skills, it’s probably the best defensive carry for solo queue based almost solely on the rez potential. It’s just as versatile as the Revenant, but with slightly more defensive tendencies.” Are you kidding me? Engi probably has one of the smallest impacts on how a game flows in soloq, while it is nice to have one, you need something to back it up and well you just cant trust in other people when it comes to soloq.

COMP “Mesmer – Mesmer is a tricky one to place. Unless Thief is meta, Mesmer is going to be an option because of the pure utility supplied by Portal. It’s more difficult to play in the current meta because of the nerfs to defensive cooldowns, but when played well it can bring a lot to the team.” Thief is not in “meta” at the moment as far as i know and probably even if it was mesmer would be close to S tier but for the moment it most definitely is S tier, a good mesmer can control the whole game. You simply cannot play without a mesmer and still be on the same level with other teams that are using mesmer, it is a must have in every competitive team for now, youll always be handicapped if you dont have one. Keep in mind im not saying its impossible to win without one, it just makes it harder.

There are probably more things that i didnt notice at first glance but those are the things that especially stuck out to me.

Edit: I dont see how me being banned affects this in any way as it has nothing to do with my game knowledge. If you want to take something out of it why not concentrate on how we managed to win a game even though i was playing with fairly subpar players vs a supposedly top team?

Wow he brought the heat.