Am I missing something (pvp question)

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Posted by: Kurama.6275

Kurama.6275

I started doing pvp for the first time in a LONG time and I was noticed that the “Meta” condi builds all seem to run the Curses trait line but a Carrion amulet… can some one explain why?

The whole curses trait line is essentially based on “on crit” effects, and with Carrion stats you have a whole 4% crit chance. even with fury thats 24% crit. Is Path of Corruption SO good that you can basically ignore the whole rest of the traitline? Why not run like a deadshot amulet? Does the power on Carrion make up for the lack of crit chance on a condi build?

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Posted by: HeadCrowned.6834

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Carrion has vitality, which increases the lenght of your shroud bar.

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

Curses will be better with a lot of critical rate, granting you better chances to active the passive plague signet and inflict blees, also will grant you more condition damage (13% of precision si a lot cof condition damage bonus), but that metabattle build grant you different ways to obtain critical rate still with a carrion amulet: 2% for every condition on the enemy and Fury+50% critical rate while in shroud.

Path of Corruption is really good, expecially because make you able to corrupt 2 boons every 6 seconds, then Death perception grant you all the crit chance you need while in shroud. That also grant you better chances to use the passive Plague Signet while in shroud instead of when you’re out of it (and you can use the main plague signet and other skills to clean/transfer conditions).

Carrion is used for different reasons: grant you more Life Force, making your shroud last longer; grant you more hp, making you not die istant using the Plague Signet (if you transfer on you 10+ stack of torment or burn you’ll need that hp extra or you’ll die immediatly), more resistance against conditions in general.

I don’t use Carrion on my build, I use Rabid and that grant me more condition damage (by traits), more critical rate and more Toughness (that in a Power meta is always good to survive a little better.
I also don’t use Plague Signet but Corrosive Poison Cloud. That reduce my anti-condi team support but grant me the ability to spam Weakness and block projectiles for 8 seconds every 20 seconds (traited). It’s a personal choice, nothing more.

At the end, the Metabattle build change every tot and the last time I cecked it was a Power build, not a condi one. But Metabattle show a build commonly good and balanced, that can grant you success based on your class role. There’s a lot of other builds you can do by yourseld and do really good.
Minion Master, Power, Power Shout (frequently bunker), a build like the one I use, and more. I seen few pro players on twitch use a Core build without the Reaper elite, and they was able to win different 1v1 and play really good, better than what I am able to.

Take your time to learn to fight in the current meta and then try different builds and make your own or play with the one that fit you better.

(edited by Silv.9207)

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Posted by: HeadCrowned.6834

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I really wouldn’t recommend a minion master build. In the current PVP situation, necro’s are teamfighters. Minions just die of AoE in teamfights.

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Posted by: Emapudapus.1307

Emapudapus.1307

Thats why you take intelligence sigil, so you can reliably transfer/do dem condis.

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Posted by: flow.6043

flow.6043

I started doing pvp for the first time in a LONG time and I was noticed that the “Meta” condi builds all seem to run the Curses trait line but a Carrion amulet… can some one explain why?

Carrion currently has the best defensive stats of all available amulets for condition builds. That’s the only reason, really.

more Toughness (that in a Power meta is always good to survive a little better

I don’t want to start another vitality vs toughness debate. But even against direct damage only (which never happens in PvP anyway) vitality is better than toughness, especially without Blood Magic or Blighter’s Boon like the build on metabattle.

Is Path of Corruption SO good that you can basically ignore the whole rest of the traitline?

Path of Corruption is good, but Plague Sending and Weakening Shroud are much bigger assets.

The whole curses trait line is essentially based on “on crit” effects, and with Carrion stats you have a whole 4% crit chance. even with fury thats 24% crit.

Consider this: Barbed Precision, Weakening Shroud and Plague Sending are your crit procs.
The only trait that really loses effectiveness with a low crit amulet is Barbed Precision because there’s no cooldown.
The other two, however, will probably just be a little delayed instead of getting an instant proc off cd. And depending on the skills used this might not even matter. For example, even if your build doesn’t have Death Perception, Soul Spiral’s 12 hits on several targets in a team fight will proc those traits pretty much immediately.

Why not run like a deadshot amulet? Does the power on Carrion make up for the lack of crit chance on a condi build?

In a direct damage comparison, yes. Power without precision does more damage than precision without power.