Guild Wars 2

Engi dealing 8k burning dmg per sec, 12 bleed stacks in 1 skill.
Necro stacking 12 bleed in 20 sec … Good job!!!

LOL looking at the engie build that they are showcasing right now and compare it to necro. LOL necro looks like he is a elementary school kid fighting a ufc fighter LOL!

JESUS ANET YOU FAILED!

ENGIES so op!

Condi necro has been dead for as long as I can remember…. Sustained pressure is crap compared to the condi burst some of these other classes can do…

It’s always been powermancer.

Condi Necro was strong 1v1 in WvW, but if engi can do 20x our dps on top of all of their amazing skills and utilities, then there is no reason to necro.

warrior condi > necro condi by about idk, 10x

Gryph.8237:

LOL looking at the engie build that they are showcasing right now and compare it to necro. LOL necro looks like he is a elementary school kid fighting a ufc fighter LOL!

JESUS ANET YOU FAILED!

ENGIES so op!

The only way to make condi-necro even close to viable would be Dhuumfire exchaning all our bleeds to 2-3 stacks of 3-5 seconds of burning, and I’m not even kidding. That would prolly still leave condi necro in a weaker-than-average state.

Necros supposed to be the condi king, its like their lore in any mmo. Then Anet comes and screw everything up and make it awful. When i saw an engi dealing 12 bleed stacks and 8k burning per sec in 3 skills i knew it they f****d up!

Lynnie.7213:

Necros supposed to be the condi king, its like their lore in any mmo. Then Anet comes and screw everything up and make it awful. When i saw an engi dealing 12 bleed stacks and 8k burning per sec in 3 skills i knew it they f****d up!

LOL, im still laughing after watching him spam that, and drop the mesmer bot in like, 5 seconds LOL.

HAHAHAH, what is amazing is that no one at anet is going… uh, guys, necro needs some help.

Karl is like, i play necro a lot now and i never lose.

LOL

All condi builds on all other classes > necro

Lynnie.7213:

Necros supposed to be the condi king, its like their lore in any mmo. Then Anet comes and screw everything up and make it awful. When i saw an engi dealing 12 bleed stacks and 8k burning per sec in 3 skills i knew it they f****d up!

What are you gonna do with the roaming videos? Switch to condi engi?

Lynnie.7213:

Necros supposed to be the condi king, its like their lore in any mmo. Then Anet comes and screw everything up and make it awful. When i saw an engi dealing 12 bleed stacks and 8k burning per sec in 3 skills i knew it they f****d up!

Technology man I hated gunslinger in C9 for their OP potential it seems Tera is doing the same just dirtier, tech-no-logic. It might be a trend.

Cecilia.5179:

Lynnie.7213:

Necros supposed to be the condi king, its like their lore in any mmo. Then Anet comes and screw everything up and make it awful. When i saw an engi dealing 12 bleed stacks and 8k burning per sec in 3 skills i knew it they f****d up!

What are you gonna do with the roaming videos? Switch to condi engi?

Ima try calm down a bit which is being hard so far and wait 1 or 2 weeks. Maybe they release some patch to fix somethings like they always do. If necro continue to be awful like that i am just go back to my condi ranger and stack 40 bleed stacks!

Condi Engineer unloads conditions quickly to necro … Necro consumes or transfers them back. Necro laughs (or giggles).

Sebrent.3625:

Condi Engineer unloads conditions quickly to necro … Necro consumes or transfers them back. Necro laughs (or giggles).

you mus tnot have watched that engie. That engie got those stacks up that high in 4 seconds, and we have to be facing him, and to perfectly land the transfers, which will likely kill us before we get them off.

Sebrent.3625:

Condi Engineer unloads conditions quickly to necro … Necro consumes or transfers them back. Necro laughs (or giggles).

Not really. Engi bleed is like 2k dmg per sec and 8k burning per sec. No time to transfer back most of times.

Sebrent.3625:

Condi Engineer unloads conditions quickly to necro … Necro consumes or transfers them back. Necro laughs (or giggles).

Engi will CC,blind,immobilize you before and after you react while you proc confusion and that is just the 1v1 scenario. I thought I woul be safe on thief and guard but it seems they want me to spend more time on engi.

if you get 14 stacks of burn on you you deserve to die.

Sebrent.3625:

Condi Engineer unloads conditions quickly to necro … Necro consumes or transfers them back. Necro laughs (or giggles).

necro will in next 4 seconds : die , heal , transfer.

the heal is the most and almost only interuptable heal.

Tansfers can be prevented, engie could even double dodge and youre half dead after those 2s.

Like look what weve come to, we are terriefied of our best hard counter.

Lynnie.7213:

Necros supposed to be the condi king, its like their lore in any mmo. Then Anet comes and screw everything up and make it awful. When i saw an engi dealing 12 bleed stacks and 8k burning per sec in 3 skills i knew it they f****d up!

I dunno I kinda want necro to be the burst kings. Whenever I think necromancy I think big long rituals and self sacrifice, and then this massive OP inevitable blast that just takes you takes you straight from living to dead, screw how much defense you have. Always thought they fit aoe magic nuking theme rather well.

Thats just on a personal level though. I get that every franchise does it differently and that a lot of necro players have an attachment to attrition/conditions so I do think ANet is screwing up by making other classes better at it.

Sigmoid.7082:

if you get 14 stacks of burn on you you deserve to die.

And again you read over the “the engi applied all that in 3 seconds” part. The engi has CC that lasts that long, so there .is. nothing. you. can. do.

Sigmoid.7082:

if you get 14 stacks of burn on you you deserve to die.

Except that any engi with slick shoes can now put 14 stacks of burning on you with basically no counterplay.

Though at some point I guess you could say that anyone still rolling necro does indeed need to be realised from their misery as quickly as possible…

Sigmoid.7082:

if you get 14 stacks of burn on you you deserve to die.

If you play condi necro post patch, you deserve to die

Linnael.1069:

Lynnie.7213:

Necros supposed to be the condi king, its like their lore in any mmo. Then Anet comes and screw everything up and make it awful. When i saw an engi dealing 12 bleed stacks and 8k burning per sec in 3 skills i knew it they f****d up!

I dunno I kinda want necro to be the burst kings. Whenever I think necromancy I think big long rituals and self sacrifice, and then this massive OP inevitable blast that just takes you takes you straight from living to dead, screw how much defense you have. Always thought they fit aoe magic nuking theme rather well.

Thats just on a personal level though. I get that every franchise does it differently and that a lot of necro players have an attachment to attrition/conditions so I do think ANet is screwing up by making other classes better at it.

Yeah… the thing is, moving and spreading conditions is a great concept, the problem is the pay-off and that you have no reliable way to stop the conditions from killing you. The revenant does something similar be he actually defends himself against the kitten things.

That is actually one of the WORST crimes against balance they have comitted. The mallyx-rev has “corruptions” with as good or better effects with 0 cooldown and gets 2 seconds of resitance every time he uses the skill. If we got 2 seconds resitance via MoC every time we apply a condition to ourselves instead of a SECOND negative effect…imagine how much better corruptions would suddenly be.

I really, really wish they gave Necro a “unstable affliction”-condition; If you cleanse it, you receive massive damage.

Okay let’s just remind ourselves it seems that this is not the version that will be live tomorrow now the question is…how different will it be??

The real death of conditions necros occurred slowly over the last years when they made sure that there is so much condi removal that manipulation of conditions is essentially pointless.

Burning stacking in intensity is merely the gravestone.

Sagat.3285:

Okay let’s just remind ourselves it seems that this is not the version that will be live tomorrow now the question is…how different will it be??

-Enhanced the effects of self applied conditions on corruption skills.
“We felt that these skills made necromancers too viable”

There are rumors that Karl is looking into the plague self-applied bleed, and making it one long duration application instead.

Cecilia.5179:

Sagat.3285:

Okay let’s just remind ourselves it seems that this is not the version that will be live tomorrow now the question is…how different will it be??

-Enhanced the effects of self applied conditions on corruption skills.
“We felt that these skills made necromancers too viable”

We saw Necromancers had great fun speculacting about methods to suicide, so we increased the duration of self-applied conditions by 100% to make it easier to achieve without too much theorycrafting" – #4theplayers.

Bhawb.7408:

There are rumors that Karl is looking into the plague self-applied bleed, and making it one long duration application instead.

Nooo! They will have to buff Engineers to balance it out!

Bhawb.7408:

There are rumors that Karl is looking into the plague self-applied bleed, and making it one long duration application instead.

Karl? The ele forums were asking for Robert Gee because Karl has nerfed them so many times. I don’t trust his balance…

Cecilia.5179:

Bhawb.7408:

There are rumors that Karl is looking into the plague self-applied bleed, and making it one long duration application instead.

Karl? The ele forums were asking for Robert Gee because Karl has nerfed them so many times. I don’t trust his balance…

I main ele. You should pray that necros don’t get karl.

Bhawb.7408:

There are rumors that Karl is looking into the plague self-applied bleed, and making it one long duration application instead.

Will he do the same with CC? I don’t know how they add 10 stacks for 4 seconds which you can’t really transfer since it’s such a low duration WHEN AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE A SKILL THAT HAS ONLY 3 STACKS FOR A MUCH LONGER DURATION that’s actually worth transferring…

Linnael.1069:

Cecilia.5179:

Bhawb.7408:

There are rumors that Karl is looking into the plague self-applied bleed, and making it one long duration application instead.

Karl? The ele forums were asking for Robert Gee because Karl has nerfed them so many times. I don’t trust his balance…

I main ele. You should pray that necros don’t get karl.

See? Besides, one big bleed on cast is even better for a suicide spec. You don;t have to worry about the vitality of plague stopping you now.

Cecilia.5179:

Bhawb.7408:

There are rumors that Karl is looking into the plague self-applied bleed, and making it one long duration application instead.

Karl? The ele forums were asking for Robert Gee because Karl has nerfed them so many times. I don’t trust his balance…

anyone is better than gee.

We don’t know who to trust anymore or did we ever trust anyone?

Relshdan.6854:

Cecilia.5179:

Bhawb.7408:

There are rumors that Karl is looking into the plague self-applied bleed, and making it one long duration application instead.

Karl? The ele forums were asking for Robert Gee because Karl has nerfed them so many times. I don’t trust his balance…

anyone is better than gee.

Nah I still think Reaper will be awesome (and the design IS epic) as long as they tweak the shouts a little. But these balance changes ruined my hope. For good this time.

Shiki.7148:

Relshdan.6854:

Cecilia.5179:

Bhawb.7408:

There are rumors that Karl is looking into the plague self-applied bleed, and making it one long duration application instead.

Karl? The ele forums were asking for Robert Gee because Karl has nerfed them so many times. I don’t trust his balance…

anyone is better than gee.

Nah I still think Reaper will be awesome (and the design IS epic) as long as they tweak the shouts a little. But these balance changes ruined my hope. For good this time.

good point…..reaper will be fun (until its nerfed) and i’m maybe unfairly assuming gee is responsible for the corruption skill/trait overhaul (super nerf)…..if he isn’t, then apologies and that person is instead the worst.

Start to prepare your builds for another classes, because i got some news, necros will get deleted tomorrow along with patch release.

Sagat.3285:

We don’t know who to trust anymore or did we ever trust anyone?

Dunno. Who’s the guy that does the Engi? He basically turned the class inside out and it’s still a very powerful class.

dood.7526:

Sagat.3285:

We don’t know who to trust anymore or did we ever trust anyone?

Dunno. Who’s the guy that does the Engi? He basically turned the class inside out and it’s still a very powerful class.

Everyone but Jon Peters! He would turn us into one big high concept!

I remember that he was once testing 5 signet warrior in PvP and he told us that we don’t suck, but we have to master the death shroud more.

Sure having no good elites now sucks. But no good heals will be worse. Name me a bigger nerf to a class than the cc mega nerf anyone?

Lynnie.7213:

Start to prepare your builds for another classes, because i got some news, necros will get deleted tomorrow along with patch release.

That would be totally nonsensical. Do you really expect the engis that everyone will be playing are supposed to kill EACH OTHER???

Anet, please give Necros the Engie Dev. we will gladly trade Robert and any other dev for that matter for the Engie dev.

Maybe the problem is engi is OP. WTF is that, 12 bleed instantly?

I have to assume this is some kind of joke. They can’t possibly think that there is any “balance” at all here can they? I think they must have designed the necro changes in a dark room separate from all the other class designers and decided that the overall power in the game should be halved while the other class teams decided the power should be doubled.

Odeezee.7362:

Anet, please give Necros the Engie Dev. we will gladly trade Robert and any other dev for that matter for the Engie dev.

The necro dont have a dev for it self, its a intern how does the job on the weekends.

The guy who explained the changes in live stream could barely knew explain what traits did. He probabily juts read the changes half an hour before go to live.

Suzukou.4831:

Will he do the same with CC? I don’t know how they add 10 stacks for 4 seconds which you can’t really transfer since it’s such a low duration WHEN AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE A SKILL THAT HAS ONLY 3 STACKS FOR A MUCH LONGER DURATION that’s actually worth transferring…

I guess the point is that, if you were ready to transfer conditions, why not transfer the whole bunch instead of purging them with consume conditions?

So having a short duration vulnerability post consume condition is meant for you to wait it out rather than transfer it back I suppose.