Guild Wars 2

Is it just me, or does Mesmer just flat out counterpick Necromancer? It seems like they have everything directly tailored to counter us specifically.

Honestly Moa isn’t very good, but it certainly is against a Necro. Removing all minions, stopping Lich form, removing Plague form. They have just enough condition removal to annoy a Necro trying to stack things. Shatters destroy Necro minions, and we don’t have enough escape/stunbreak/stability to escape their massive daze bursts.

I’m not QQing or anything (I beat them fairly easily), just feels like every tool they have beats ours.

AoE remove all conditions. Just sayin’.

Get Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew for extra endurance regen. Bait his null field with conditions, dodge his phantasm damage, and cc him as much as possible to reduce his pressure.

Once he uses null field that’s when you blow your epidemic and condition pressure.

Power builds won’t work against a mesmer because he can blink out of your dagger root and if he fancies he’ll just kite you with staff or greatsword and your only ranged damage on power necro is the staff, which is kitten damage he’ll outheal.

I’m talking about PvP, Zenith, and I know how to handle them. I’m just asking if it’s just me or are they literally built to counter our class?

It is really hard to say. Necro is pretty bad at 1vs1 against most of the classes.
But mostly Mesmer is good way to counter most of necro builds

What Emon said, they have some hard counters to most of our builds.

Well, Mesmers are one of the strongest classes for 1v1 since they can counter most classes;

• They have burst damage and Confusion to counter Thieves and Engineers
• They have boon stripping and burst damage to counter Ele’s and Guardians
• They have condition removals to counter Necro’s (Along with enough damage to at least keep pressure up if not outright burst them down)
• They have high in-combat mobility to counter Warriors
• They have multi-target pressure to counter Rangers (Can easily take out pets while keeping pressure on the Ranger) and other Mesmers.

The tools they have available make them really strong in 1v1 regardless of what they’re up against (Though, they won’t have the direct counters to all builds all the time, they will have to prepare weapon sets and utilities beforehand)

i kinda feel necros counter mesmers to some degree, put those conditions right back.. ¨
ofc a shatter can get you out of nowhere but mostly its just a pain to down them which buggs me more than anything in a group fight.

edit : But I do think our forms should be immune to all kind of cc imo.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

Is it just me, or does Mesmer just flat out counterpick Necromancer? It seems like they have everything directly tailored to counter us specifically.

Honestly Moa isn’t very good, but it certainly is against a Necro. Removing all minions, stopping Lich form, removing Plague form. They have just enough condition removal to annoy a Necro trying to stack things. Shatters destroy Necro minions, and we don’t have enough escape/stunbreak/stability to escape their massive daze bursts.

I’m not QQing or anything (I beat them fairly easily), just feels like every tool they have beats ours.

You should meet a bunker scepter/dagger elementalist with -50% chill duration. Or a healing BM ranger… enjoy

i funny that not long ago i was reading in the mesmer forum that one guy were saying necro is too hard to win against for a mesmer, too much condition, just bleed the hell out of the mesmer, the null field and Arcane Thievery has 45s recharge, scepter#1 auto attack and then gain distance using chill and fear. As for shatter burst, just learn to dodge their shatter, not easy in a chaotic environment, get a mesmer friend and practice a little bit. And if the mesmer is being a little monkey by teleporting away, DS#2 him.

I find it annoying how alot of people that post here seem to think that I need help beating the Mesmer.

My point, for the billionth time, is that Mesmer ON PAPER, seems to have every tool to counter Necromancer more so than any one else in the game.

Thing is Mesmers can specialize with a few swaps to counter a each class, being deceptive (or hybrid) can cause most of them to panic – kitten probably really low level hotjoin trick, mesmers instantly assume you are condi necro if you have scepter instead of daggger or axe as your main weapon, so using it just for the cripple and mini feast burst instead of a stronger direct weapon for deception and swapping into DS for 2-3k hits from life blast is fun. especially since people dont bother with death logs).

Viable tpvp builds for mesmer lack condition removal, if you evade one or 2 bursts it’s an easy win for necro.

I think the “counter on paper” argument can be made for any combination of 2 classes.
The impression I got from mesmers though is that for them necros are the hardest to beat. Not sure if that’s because it’s true in general or they just can’t specc into countering necros specifically because that would make them weaker against other classes.

They have 2×2 conditions removed a 7 second aoe field thats 1 pre second, a phantasam thats 1-2 conditions from a ally (and 1-2 boons removed from a enemy), 3 conditions transfered back to you, 1 pre signet use, 1 pre heal (each of the mantra uses counts) and one that removes a condition from them pre shatter.

To OP: Funny thing that, for a quite bunch of mesmers, the most feared classes are condi necro and condi engi…

@Ryn: same thing is with thief. BUT necros aint training on 1vs1, because it is not effective for teams. So there is no wonder why devs, gave this class so many anti-necro abilitys.

Lots of aoes (marks/wells) take care of most of the illusions and hurt them too, save your condition transferal for confusion stacks if you can, and use some hard cc when they go on the defensive (instant fear and things like spectral grasp). This is my usual method of fighting them.

I dont know if they are built to counter our class, but moa bird certainly counters our elite. Fortunately they rarely slot it since they have much better options, in wvwvw anyway.

On paper, yes. In reality, no. Also, it depends on builds (like everything else) as to how things look; you could have tons of amazing skills, but if they are never used in a build then I don’t really include them in the “on paper” comparison.

Well, imo what gets necro is the lack of access to vigor for greater endurance regen and more dodges. Spectral Walk should act like blink on its beginning and port you back to that area you blinked to. Spectral Armor should grant a short second distortion and reduce the cd on it to at least 75 sec cd base, if not 60 sec cd baseline.

Necro’s terrible mobility/avoidance is what gets them killed. In PvP avoidance is always better mitigation than straight up facetanking damage. Look at warlocks vs. mages in WvW — much harder to train a frost mage than a warlock due to all the peeling and mobility the mage had whereas the warlock only had his demonic portal.

Necro counterpick? No, Mesmers are flat superior.

Depends on the necro’s build. In my experience power builds have a very tough time against a mesmer, especially the confusion-stacking ones. They have lots of dodges from vigor and can blink around and drop target, so it’s difficult to get near them and lock them down long enough to get your single target damage in.

Condition builds on the other hand counter mesmers pretty well. 2-3 condition transfers and lots of consistent condition stacking means that you’ll soon outpace the mesmer’s limited removal, and since we have lots of AoE condition application there’s an easier time of actually landing things. If you pay attention and avoid the shatters the mesmer will drop in a relatively short amount of time.

So no, I don’t think mesmers are designed to counter necros. I think it’s a battle of the builds.