Guild Wars 2

As we all know Consume Conditions got nerfed couple months ago to give self condi (10 von=10% more dmg) after use.

One one way it help necros to use other heal skills (like signet) thx to signet buff. But still we dont use 2/4 heal skills beacouse how bad they are. Well heal isnt good if not traited, minions heal is just meh(we all know AI problems).

I would like to ask Arenanet will they consider changing to self condi application and other heal skills. It would help necro with diversity.

I created this thread beacouse of Revenant Mallyx changes:

When using demon stance you wanted to manage your conditions and try to keep certain amounts on yourself to empower your skills.
As such, the self-conditions didn’t make sense anymore as you had less reason to utilize these so they were removed.

• Empowering Misery*: Removed the self-applied weakness. Increased the base heal by 40% and decreased the heal per condition by 40%.
• Pain Absorption*. Removed the self-applied blind.
• Banish Enchantment*: Removed the self-applied vulnerability. This skill now applies 3 stacks of confusion for 6 seconds instead of being dependent on the conditions you have on you.
• Embrace the Darkness*: Removed the self-applied torment. This skill no longer copies conditions to nearby foes. This skill will increase stats by 10% while active and pulse 6 seconds of torment every 1 second to nearby foes.

Beacouse of this changes i think Necro should be on the same page as Rev. I understand Rev in Mallyx was idea to give yourself condi to boost you dmg (still you got ressistance) but at least they were more powerfull if they got more conditions.

Necro on other site doesnt give advantage from appling conditions to itself. It only makes him weaker. I understand theme of corupption but if they are masters of corupption why would they inflict self condtitions they should manage them not inflict to themselfs.

Personally, I like the idea of corruptions, I just don’t think ANet managed it well. If they change them to not self-apply conditions, they’ll just be a boring type of utilities.
What they need to do is balance the disadvantages and advantages they give you.

Also, like you said, Necromancers are masters of corruption because they a plethora of ways to manage conditions. It doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t self-apply them in the first place. If you are a true master of corruption, use a corruption skill and then transfer it to your enemy.

The current problem with corruptions and their associated trait is that their effects are just not worth wasting 2 cooldowns (the corruption skill and the condi transfer/cleanse).

I’d love for corruptions to have a different, easier managable effect like an HP or, even better, Lifeforce cost, but I have to say no. Most corruptions are already bad, and look how completely they destroyed the Mallyx skills. Unyielding Anguish is no lame as kitten, the elite sounds absolutely HIDEOUS now… No, thank you.

But hey, maybe they will actually turn it to cost LF without completely making every single of the skills useless. The chances just are, like, really slim.

Yeah, they pretty much kill Mallyx here… that’s gonna be a huge blow on the revenant.

Now, to answer your question, yes Necromancers are the real king of corruption. Mostly because they are the only one to corrupt themselve now. There is no adversity for this title.

On the other hand…

“Revenant is actual proof that devs read the necromancer forum” – Pelopidas.2140

the fact that they removed the self inkittening condition on the revenant is another proof that they listen to us since we wanted them to removed our self condition application.

If they change corruption skills to use life force instead of applying condis to us, not only will we not be able to use our class mechanic at the start of a pvp match, but we will also be unable to use our utility skills.
While i can see that a change would be appreciated, i do not like this siggestion at all.

I quite like corruption skills at present. Gives me a good way to stack condi pressure with 1 skill and a transfer.

Bull Zooker.1672:

If they change corruption skills to use life force instead of applying condis to us, not only will we not be able to use our class mechanic at the start of a pvp match, but we will also be unable to use our utility skills.
While i can see that a change would be appreciated, i do not like this siggestion at all.

I quite like corruption skills at present. Gives me a good way to stack condi pressure with 1 skill and a transfer.

They could just make them consume HP when your life force pool is empty.

Axelwarrior.9084:

Bull Zooker.1672:

If they change corruption skills to use life force instead of applying condis to us, not only will we not be able to use our class mechanic at the start of a pvp match, but we will also be unable to use our utility skills.
While i can see that a change would be appreciated, i do not like this siggestion at all.

I quite like corruption skills at present. Gives me a good way to stack condi pressure with 1 skill and a transfer.

They could just make them consume HP when your life force pool is empty.

+1

The difference between Corruptions and Demon Stance skills was that necromancers have ways to manage conditions, whereas the revenant just wanted to have a bunch on them and hope their Resistance held up. Additionally, mallyx revs were actually punished for having teammates cleanse their conditions. When a necromancer loses their conditions, they can’t toss them at the enemy, but nothing was really lost. But when a revenant lost their conditions, their abilities, particularly their elite, would barely function.

While the necromancer corruptions aren’t really powerful enough to be worth the self conditions, revenant demon skills just straight up didn’t work in a team setting. Necromancers have a balance/tuning issue to be solved, Mallyx had a significant loss of gameplay when near allies which runs counter to the entire design of the game.

Shiki.7148:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Bull Zooker.1672:

If they change corruption skills to use life force instead of applying condis to us, not only will we not be able to use our class mechanic at the start of a pvp match, but we will also be unable to use our utility skills.
While i can see that a change would be appreciated, i do not like this siggestion at all.

I quite like corruption skills at present. Gives me a good way to stack condi pressure with 1 skill and a transfer.

They could just make them consume HP when your life force pool is empty.

+1

It is already doing that, by applying conditions to us on use. Except conditions can be used to our advantage and we cant transfer a hp cost…

Bull Zooker.1672:

Shiki.7148:

Axelwarrior.9084:

Bull Zooker.1672:

If they change corruption skills to use life force instead of applying condis to us, not only will we not be able to use our class mechanic at the start of a pvp match, but we will also be unable to use our utility skills.
While i can see that a change would be appreciated, i do not like this siggestion at all.

I quite like corruption skills at present. Gives me a good way to stack condi pressure with 1 skill and a transfer.

They could just make them consume HP when your life force pool is empty.

+1

It is already doing that, by applying conditions to us on use. Except conditions can be used to our advantage and we cant transfer a hp cost…

We can make up for the hp loss with siphons. And we build LF constantly. Self cripple/weakness/blind hurts way more, and the HP cost could a a lot lower than by self bleeding. Sure, you can transfer the conditions put on ourselves, but thats by using another cooldown skill to make up for a negative side effect. Let’s say, if we got 10 stacks of selfbleed for 10 seconds with resistance of 5 seconds it might be worth transferring it. But otherwise? No. And making a cleansing ability add a condition to oneself aswell as a heal putting yourself in combat is ridiculously dumb.

OP, what you’ve quoted is actuallly the biggest nerf to Mallyx ever.

The thing is, with Demonic Defiance traited by using listed Mallyx skills you used to get Resistance (negates all condition effects) before self-conditions occured so as long as you had that boon, you were unharmed by your own conditions and using them as a resource for copying conditions to foes or to boost your damage/healing.

What our Corruptions need is utility. They lack in utility compared to other utility types.

Take Corrupt Boon (traited) – It corrupts up to 5 boons, 26s CD and applies self-Poison and self-bleeding.

Now Locust Signet – It can corrupt up to 10 boons, does damage, applies long-lasting might, heals and passively provides 25% movement speed Necro lacks. 24s CD.

See the problem?

No Life Force gain from our Corruptions currently, no stunbreaks, no condition transfers.

And Curses should have condition transfer in minor or there should be condition transfer bound with Master of Corruption.