Guild Wars 2

Hey guys,

Today I decided to start playing GW2 again after a (long) hiatus. I always liked the looks and idea of the Necromancer, but when I actually got to playing it I was underwhelmed by its… well, everything. BUT, as I’ve heard, it’s been patched and stabilized, so I want to give the Necromancer another try.

I mostly (About 90% of the time) play PvE and I’m looking for a good solo (preferably DPS) build. Any weapons and such will do.

(Tl;dr: Recommend me good Necromancer PvE builds please)

Thanks in advance.

I’d recommend watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKcDOIgEGLU

It’s a bit long but has a lot of insight, especially if you are not too familiar with the class.
However, don’t run into PvP or WvW with this.

Asche.5362:

I’d recommend watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKcDOIgEGLU

It’s a bit long but has a lot of insight, especially if you are not too familiar with the class.
However, don’t run into PvP or WvW with this.

Thanks
Like I said, I rarely do any PvP/WvW but in the rare cases I do, is there something I can do to make this build effective? Or is it all or nothing?
Also, I noticed this video has been released before the July patch, is there something I should bare in mind?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNBIhZakRrSPdzYjePBA9oXpdOmxxLTfocA-jwxAEEQ6DEVAI5VEN22QR0Y11YKXioapAiYMA-e

I hope it helps.

Dalanor.5387:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNBIhZakRrSPdzYjePBA9oXpdOmxxLTfocA-jwxAEEQ6DEVAI5VEN22QR0Y11YKXioapAiYMA-e

I hope it helps.

It does, thanks
I’m piling as many builds as I can up right now and later I’ll go through all of them and see which one suits my ADD playstyle the most.
Speaking of which, what race should I pick that would suit the Necromancer the most? If it’s irrelevant gameplay wise, then I’m also sort of interested lore-wise…
Thanks

Take in to account, that conditions in general, especially in PvE are really weak so try to stick with some power based build.

Races are absolutely irrevelant, the only difference between them are size, appearence and racial skills, which are just weaker counterparts of some similar class specific skills.
And charr necro wins. Seriously. A big, furry, shady beast.

Race depends entirely on your taste. Charr looks pretty cool, I went with Asura. Sylvari has a lot of colourful options. Should you want to try WvW in the future I’d recommend Norn, since one of the Elites adds some much needed mobility. Other than that it’s a question of personal taste.

Also the build I posted earlier is still viable. However it wont do you much good in PvP situations.

Dalanor.5387:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNBIhZakRrSPdzYjePBA9oXpdOmxxLTfocA-jwxAEEQ6DEVAI5VEN22QR0Y11YKXioapAiYMA-e

I hope it helps.

30/25/0/0/15 is the best option to go in a group, 30/15/0/0/25 is better for solo play (higher fury uptime). What can be achieved with that and some berserker equipment can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEjTqE--570
(Was 30/20/0/0/20 there but the 5% with >50% DS are worth more than the tiny corruption recharge).

What dub said. Btw after the patch 20/25/0/0/25 will be best solo and group dps.

This is what I am running right now for solo PvE. Sort of different from what most builds look like.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQRBIRhG2IjW6elmxG9eCZqQ2A9oXwFQM6BxsMGDA-jgxAIsBRn/KiGbJrIasKJMtJRUtDpIa1A-e

In PvE, a lot of things work though, so I won’t say, my build is the way to go… ^^

spoj.9672:

What dub said. Btw after the patch 20/25/0/0/25 will be best solo and group dps.

Anicetus.1253:

Dalanor.5387:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fQAQNBIhZakRrSPdzYjePBA9oXpdOmxxLTfocA-jwxAEEQ6DEVAI5VEN22QR0Y11YKXioapAiYMA-e

I hope it helps.

30/25/0/0/15 is the best option to go in a group, 30/15/0/0/25 is better for solo play (higher fury uptime). What can be achieved with that and some berserker equipment can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEjTqE--570
(Was 30/20/0/0/20 there but the 5% with >50% DS are worth more than the tiny corruption recharge).

Dalanor.5387:

Take in to account, that conditions in general, especially in PvE are really weak so try to stick with some power based build.

Err… I’m sort of confused right now…

Someone once said, every single video…

“There is no best damage build, there is only best at…”

You have to take into account the type of DPS you want: sustained or burst… and the area: single target or AoE. In general you can go for burst single target (since it has burst AoE incorporated, not as high as sustained AoE over longer fights but hey, it’s burst…) and AoE sustain (since it does sustain single target as well… small but it still counts).

Nemesis.8593:

Someone once said, every single video…

“There is no best damage build, there is only best at…”

You have to take into account the type of DPS you want: sustained or burst… and the area: single target or AoE. In general you can go for burst single target (since it has burst AoE incorporated, not as high as sustained AoE over longer fights but hey, it’s burst…) and AoE sustain (since it does sustain single target as well… small but it still counts).

Heh, I watched your Necro hybrid video so I know that sentence
I’m looking for a build with as much action in mind as possible, always having something to do (Like I said, ADD playstyle)… I think that’s sustained DPS? I also like having AoE skills, I’m not much of a single-target person so I guess AoE skills are kind of important to me. Is there a build that’s best at delivering these things while keeping in mind that I’m going to be solo in PvE most of the time? (Preferably not with an axe, I don’t really like its animations but it doesn’t mean that much to me..)
Thanks

The highest single target dps build also has really good aoe burst. 30/25/0/0/15 is the meta build for dungeons atm. After the patch next week it will be 20/25/0/0/25 and I will be releasing a guide explaining everything about it.

Ps. Anicetus = Dub
I was agreeing with the post above me.

When is the “new” update coming out?

I am where the necro DPS is. Just ask around.

@up: in a month, literally.

leman.7682:

I am where the necro DPS is. Just ask around.

@up: in a month, literally.

Will zerker be the way to go? I don’t want to invest in armor/accessories that I’m not going to use

CylerCycle.2037:

Will zerker be the way to go? I don’t want to invest in armor/accessories that I’m not going to use

Unless you’re running Fractals 80, yes.

Leman while you’re lurking here, whats your trait setup for fractals? And do you run full condi or rampager? Im still undecided on how to build my necro for those pesky dredge.

Nemesis.8593:

Someone once said, every single video…

“There is no best damage build, there is only best at…”

You have to take into account the type of DPS you want: sustained or burst… and the area: single target or AoE. In general you can go for burst single target (since it has burst AoE incorporated, not as high as sustained AoE over longer fights but hey, it’s burst…) and AoE sustain (since it does sustain single target as well… small but it still counts).

Best at, what? Best at Condition dmg is best at beeing useless in PvE? Check!

Tell me 1, only one singel Trash fight in dungeons/fractals, were mobs are alive long enough to get the Hybrid/Condidmg a chance (only a chance) to deal more dps then 30/25/0/0/15?

Stack in a corner/pull and well+DS1(4/5) is enough. And this is by far more dps then a condimancer can deal, even AoE.
And for Bosses is suxx anyway. I tried your “Hybrid” (and my own version which get´s killed at 10. dec) and it was bad.

CoE subject Alpha (the 3rd), after i stacked the Bleeds up he was at 40%, and the group was Pug…25seconds fight.

With 25stacks, and food and potion 38 sec to kill a risen giant ist no “good dps” it´s mediocore not more, 25secs are possibel with a powerbased build selfbuffed. And it scales much better in gruops.

Sry, u do a lot of work. But to say Hybrid or Conditionmancer is a good or alternative option in pve is a lie (exept little few bosses with high toughness or shields). If some1 wants to play hybrid/zepter just for fun. Then your hybrid is the best way to do this.
But it can´t be onpar with the Zerkbuild.

Norjena.5172:

Nemesis.8593:

Someone once said, every single video…

“There is no best damage build, there is only best at…”

You have to take into account the type of DPS you want: sustained or burst… and the area: single target or AoE. In general you can go for burst single target (since it has burst AoE incorporated, not as high as sustained AoE over longer fights but hey, it’s burst…) and AoE sustain (since it does sustain single target as well… small but it still counts).

Best at, what? Best at Condition dmg is best at beeing useless in PvE? Check!

Tell me 1, only one singel Trash fight in dungeons/fractals, were mobs are alive long enough to get the Hybrid/Condidmg a chance (only a chance) to deal more dps then 30/25/0/0/15?

Stack in a corner/pull and well+DS1(4/5) is enough. And this is by far more dps then a condimancer can deal, even AoE.
And for Bosses is suxx anyway. I tried your “Hybrid” (and my own version which get´s killed at 10. dec) and it was bad.

CoE subject Alpha (the 3rd), after i stacked the Bleeds up he was at 40%, and the group was Pug…25seconds fight.

With 25stacks, and food and potion 38 sec to kill a risen giant ist no “good dps” it´s mediocore not more, 25secs are possibel with a powerbased build selfbuffed. And it scales much better in gruops.

Sry, u do a lot of work. But to say Hybrid or Conditionmancer is a good or alternative option in pve is a lie (exept little few bosses with high toughness or shields). If some1 wants to play hybrid/zepter just for fun. Then your hybrid is the best way to do this.
But it can´t be onpar with the Zerkbuild.

Is there a build that you think is better that you can offer?

Norjena.5172:

Nemesis.8593:

Someone once said, every single video…

“There is no best damage build, there is only best at…”

You have to take into account the type of DPS you want: sustained or burst… and the area: single target or AoE. In general you can go for burst single target (since it has burst AoE incorporated, not as high as sustained AoE over longer fights but hey, it’s burst…) and AoE sustain (since it does sustain single target as well… small but it still counts).

Best at, what? Best at Condition dmg is best at beeing useless in PvE? Check!

Tell me 1, only one singel Trash fight in dungeons/fractals, were mobs are alive long enough to get the Hybrid/Condidmg a chance (only a chance) to deal more dps then 30/25/0/0/15?

Stack in a corner/pull and well+DS1(4/5) is enough. And this is by far more dps then a condimancer can deal, even AoE.
And for Bosses is suxx anyway. I tried your “Hybrid” (and my own version which get´s killed at 10. dec) and it was bad.

CoE subject Alpha (the 3rd), after i stacked the Bleeds up he was at 40%, and the group was Pug…25seconds fight.

With 25stacks, and food and potion 38 sec to kill a risen giant ist no “good dps” it´s mediocore not more, 25secs are possibel with a powerbased build selfbuffed. And it scales much better in gruops.

Sry, u do a lot of work. But to say Hybrid or Conditionmancer is a good or alternative option in pve is a lie (exept little few bosses with high toughness or shields). If some1 wants to play hybrid/zepter just for fun. Then your hybrid is the best way to do this.
But it can´t be onpar with the Zerkbuild.

It’s because of people like that modern gaming is crap in recent years…

There was a time when games were actually balanced… made by hard working companies which struggled to deliver complex and rich environments, skills, classes… compare Neverwinter Nights to Diablo 3…

It has got to this point because gamers can’t be bothered to do anything more complex then to stand around a corner and spam 3 buttons… so why would company bother to make a modern version of Neverwinter Nights, with 3000 spells and 50 classes… when most people will get owned by 3 classes and 6 buttons.

So what do we have now… gear checks and grinds… no story, no complexity no nothing…
Companies laugh at gamers going “we were going to make a really complex game, but seriously… people are way more happy if we give them 1 build, gear check and the ability to stand around the corner and smack their face on the keyboard, they think they are fooling the mobs hahaha” /count money.

So yeah… continue being an elitist in a casual game, with your “optimized build for all situations”, you actually think you are gaming.
Most of us old school gamers actually know what an RPG is, what balance and diversity should be… not this modern day poor excuse for games.

At least Guild Wars tried to change something… but in the end, people would rather stand around the corner and spam, then try anything that would imply actually thinking how to overcome an obstacle…

If the corner thing doesn’t get fixed, i will quit the game… i have seen it for many months now, i just chose not to do it… but it was only a matter of time before everyone did it… and unless fixed it would ruin the game.
Most people like you… don’t see it as something that needs fixing…

And there you have it… Diablo 4: feed your addiction – grind and spam, coming soon…

LoS is used in countless games. It doesnt need fixing. Bosses need more interesting mechanics. If you make bosses on par with lupi people wont be able to stack and dps. They will atleast have to learn to dodge the key attacks. Stacking is intended and LoS to help keep the group stacked is smart. Stacking in spots where the boss cant hit you is exploiting though and those need to be fixed.

it’s always berserker with trait various, but i’m personally prefer rabid-condition.

spoj.9672:

LoS is used in countless games. It doesnt need fixing. Bosses need more interesting mechanics. If you make bosses on par with lupi people wont be able to stack and dps. They will atleast have to learn to dodge the key attacks. Stacking is intended and LoS to help keep the group stacked is smart. Stacking in spots where the boss cant hit you is exploiting though and those need to be fixed.

You realize that by defending this broken down playstyle you are asking for the game to never get fixed, to never have the need for build variety… you are trying to make this game worse, not better…

Hide around the corner + faceroll burst damage (1 build only of course)… then stack around the order corner + faceroll burst damage…
Is this what you people want to play ?…

Sooner or later i’ll be going to find myself a game in which being a healer, controller, tank or a DPS has equivalent value to a team, because i like my games to have complexity and variety… if i want mindless DPS i’ll go play Diablo 3.

This has nothing to do with variety and complexity. To fix those they need to improve control and conditions in pve and develop better boss mechanics. Theres no way they can remove los because if they made it so mobs didnt come round the corner they would just sit there shooting at walls and players could abuse it even more. Only way to fix it is to make it more challenging to do. Which it already is most of the time thanks to melee being more risky. Low dps groups try stacking in pugs and wipe constantly because they dont understand what they are doing wrong. The problem is many bosses are far too easy in both melee and ranged so you may aswell just burn them down fast while stacked up against a wall.

i been using lich for my zerk build since i started playing again but started seeing people use flesh golem a lot.does it do more damage than lich?

Lich isnt better than dagger so its kind of pointless.

spoj – probably a silly question but where can we find your 20/25/0/0/25 guide after the patch hits? Here in the Necro forum?

Yeah ill post it in this subforum and link it in my sig. I have it pretty much done but theres no point posting it until the patch actually arrives. Patch isnt for a month so will be a while. Ill put the current build back in my sig for now.

Awesome – thanks spoj I can’t wait for the patch!