Guild Wars 2

please add spitefull spirit or spoil victor. the elites for GW2 just seem like a gimmic they dont seem like a special skill that works to make your other skills better they just seem lacking, and not just for necros this is for all classes.

Necromancer elites are pretty bad. I’m against ai based cc since they’re horribly unreliable leaving me with plague form which I only really use in groups and for stomping. In most situations I’m essentially going up against other classes with no elite which is a big loss against classes like thief, warrior, engineer, and mesmer. Guardian, ele, and necro got shafted although fgs, plague form, and renewed focus are somewhat decent. Rampage together is easily one of the better elites in the game imo, unfortunately it’s on ranger.

I’d be heavily interested in some new elites like that fake corruption one floating about.

I wanna see Spitefull Spirit make its way into the game since not everybody wants to be a MM and form are useless. I have an ele which some like the elits but I still wanna see assasins promiss or Searing Flames in oine form or at least meteor shower improved.

I would simply love an underwater Elite that actually fits into a power build.

I think Necro elites are very strong, with maybe only Mesmer having better overall elites.

Ashtor Grey.5043:

I wanna see Spitefull Spirit make its way into the game since not everybody wants to be a MM and form are useless. I have an ele which some like the elits but I still wanna see assasins promiss or Searing Flames in oine form or at least meteor shower improved.

How can you possibly say that the elite forms are useless. Both forms are actually incredibly strong.

I’d like an ability that’s just an ability as an Elite, but to say forms are useless? I just don’t even.

Fair enogh some may find the forms useful i haven’t, but id rather see elite that just augment the builds not be a gimmick like Ursan was in EOTN.

Of all profession in game, the necro is amongst best, elite skill wise. a 60 sec (48 sec traited) cd, summon that does bonus damage, cripple, and can knockdown on command. It may sometimes bug cause AI, but it’s bonus noonetheless no other profession has. Plagueform is one of the best ‘tanky’ forms in the game. Also pretty good offensive also.
And lich form combines very good dps, with some nasty marks, for the enemy. Admittedly, some skills are a bit slow (animation wise), but still it trumph tons of other elites. If you think necro ones suck, you have only compared to gw1, and not to other gw2 elites. Compared for instance to the engineer, and you’ll praise yourself lucky.

But still what you just described are ones that change your entire skill bar just as the EOTN forms did. I would still rather see elites that augment your skills without changing the entire skill bar.

We have the best elites in the game, as far as a full set goes. Some professions have one elite that is amazing, but they also tend to have kitten elites to go with it (Mesmers), but we have three really solid elites.

It’d be nice to have more, but we’re definitely in a great spot as is.

To add on, Lich has an unblockable boon strip (I think it strips all boons, haven’t tested in a while) combined with a condi clear for allies/yourself (also think it’s a complete wipe, but haven’t tested in a while). I’ve debated popping into Lich Form to just do that, then popping out. It would still be worth the 180 second cooldown for me, especially since, as good as the elites are, I can’t bring myself to use any of them in my WvW roaming adventures (besides plague form stomping the rare non-Thief/Mesmer/Ele I find).

Spiteful Spirit already exists in the game.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spiteful_Spirit

I miss hexes though.

| : How in the world are our Elites bad? Plague form is insane with a condition build and Lich form pegs people for like 6k on a power build. Flesh golem is a bit buggy but you don’t even have to be a minion master for it to be pretty useful. If anything I’d say we have some of the better Elites.

Just brainstorming for the heck of it though, but.. An Elite similar in nature to Life Transfer would be awesome if for what ever reason ANet decided to give all professions a new Elite.
This ability could be called something like.. Possession? A 3 target maximum Elite that when activated slowly transfers life from the selected enemies to the Necromancer for 30 seconds. Dealing damage over time, reducing the opponent(s) movement speed by 15% and refilling the Life Force bar continuously regardless of whether the Necromancer is in or out of Death Shroud.
Before anyone shouts “OP” because it totally does sound OP.. The damage over time would be very small. It’d be something like a weak bleed that could compliment condition builds by acting as a physical damage tic again similar to how Life Transfer works (in the sense that it hits an enemy multiple times).

I like our elites minus the bugsm However, plague form does almost nothing for a power build and yet it is literally the only useable underwater elite for a necro. Before anyone gets any new elites, I want an underwater elite that compliments a power build. :-)

Its not so much our elites are bad its just that they are all transforms or a minion. Why do we have 2 transform elites? Doesnt really make sense to me. I like flesh golem but it would be nice to have an elite which works in places where minions arent a hindrance all the time. Because i certainly dont want to use the transforms if they are going to kill my dps or lock me out of my build for 30 seconds.

So yeah we have good elites. But we could do with something that doesnt interfere with our builds and isnt ai orientated.

Spoj The Second.7680:

Its not so much our elites are bad its just that they are all transforms or a minion. Why do we have 2 transform elites? Doesnt really make sense to me. I like flesh golem but it would be nice to have an elite which works in places where minions arent a hindrance all the time. Because i certainly dont want to use the transforms if they are going to kill my dps or lock me out of my build for 30 seconds.

So yeah we have good elites. But we could do with something that doesnt interfere with our builds and isnt ai orientated.

This is what I’ve been getting at the whole time.

There are two paths in general for “Elites” – they could be either like in GW1, just better skills or go the path of “Ulitmate”. Mixing it up like it’s currently, when one “Elite” can be up every 32 seconds and others are like 240 seconds even… It just doesn’t work, Anet has to decide.

My guess is that they want to create Elites as powerful, long cd so said “Ultimates”. And Necromancer is a good example of those. Take Lich Form for instance.
Matter of design philosophy and it’s introducement into the game. If all elites would be 120-180 seconds cooldown, I would have nothing against ol’ version of Lyssa Runes. But if one class can pop “elite” more often than a mere utility skill… Well…

When thought above fits into more, I’d say, popular (because of mobas) theme, GW1 has other view on Elite skills.

I’m not saying any of options is bad, I just got that thought from observing where elites are on action bar – furthest right, after utilities so I suppose they’re meant to be treated as “Master Utility”.

Back to OP – Our Elites aren’t bad. They just don’t fit in current mixture of game design.

Mixing them up works just fine, re-LoL, which has some abilities that are up very rarely, and others that are simply a few second CD form swaps.

I think the real issue is that people want to have an elite that feels very strong (like our current transforms which are very strong), but doesn’t lock them out of their other skills.

Necro elites are not bad but apart from Flesh Golem, they have insanely long cooldowns.

Lots of classes have long cool down elites. Necro elites rock. You just need to learn how and when to use them. Lich can be used to double damage of ticking wells, plague has crazy aoe blind, and flesh golem has the crowd control of Venezuelan police.

I always used Flesh Golem cuz of the knockdown mainly, but sadly it is bugged so it can only use this knockdown but not its normal attack.

I would LOVE an elite well skill