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Bored with ranger, would I like necro?
Go play your guardian or Ele.
Switching from one very inconsistent class (ranger) to another (necro) seems pointless.
Go play your guardian or Ele.
Switching from one very inconsistent class (ranger) to another (necro) seems pointless.
I’m just looking for something fun dude. I’m not feeling ranger, so the real question, based on my stated preference, would I prefer necro over ranger.
I strongly suggest you do not go on and cap a necro.
Bugs (most in the traitline) is not fun….
You are not going to do any decent damage. If you want a necro for the staff, just leave now lol.
You are not going to do any decent damage. If you want a necro for the staff, just leave now lol.
I prefer closer range play, I don’t even really like staff on my ele. I was thinking axe and dagger or axe and focus skill set looks interesting though.
Eh, give it a try. However when you finally see how everything is simply broken and no response or action from ANET is being made, you can’t say you weren’t warned.
Every class forum thinks their class is the most UP and people will flock to tell you not to play it because it’s sooooooooooo broken. Play it, see if you like it. Don’t listen to what other people think. If you think it’s fun, it is. If not, it’s not.
If you loved being completely useless in tournaments on your Ranger, now is a good time to swap to Necro. You will fall in love all over again.
Ranger are starting to become useful in the meta and Necro have just become a solid detriment that cannot compete without being carried.
It will be like you never stopping playing Ranger.
If you loved being completely useless in tournaments on your Ranger, now is a good time to swap to Necro. You will fall in love all over again.
Ranger are starting to become useful in the meta and Necro have just become a solid detriment that cannot compete without being carried.
It will be like you never stopping playing Ranger.
Eh, that’s cool. I don’t really PvP, but if I did it would probably be on my ele or guard. I’ve already rerolled anyway. The ranger was my only human, and I’m not a big fan of them, so rerolled Sylvari Necro.
I’ve got a ranger, necro and warrior. Also levelling thief and engi at present but they are not at 80 yet. It may be heresy around here, but I enjoy the necro the most out of the 3 80s. I use the warrior more often in dungeons but I’ve had fun with necro in WvW and PVE. Enjoyment of play is so subjective that you might as well just play the class for a while and judge for yourself.
I’ve got a ranger, necro and warrior. Also levelling thief and engi at present but they are not at 80 yet. It may be heresy around here, but I enjoy the necro the most out of the 3 80s. I use the warrior more often in dungeons but I’ve had fun with necro in WvW and PVE. Enjoyment of play is so subjective that you might as well just play the class for a while and judge for yourself.
Nobody thinks Necro isn’t fun. But in competitive PvP fun doesn’t win you glory or get you the cool gear. And no matter how much fun your class is to play, if you are constantly in Downed State or waiting to for the revive timer.
Ok I’ll give you some actual feedback, as it seems you’re getting nothing constructive.
I’ve seen you say you don’t play much PvP, do you do both PvE and WvW?
For PvE Necros are actually really good. You will have no problems in any area you go to except when fighting dredge and ice elementals. We don’t have much control in the form of CC for PvE, it pretty much comes down to using Flesh Golem for a knockdown, and dagger #3 for an immobilize. We do have a lot of ways to slow an enemy though between cripple and chill.
In WvW we can be pretty darn useful as well, but mostly in condition builds. The daggers are for power builds and only hit one target but hit hard, so it might be worth carrying one around just for smacking on doors or trebs. The staff is almost a must, and is very nice traited for shorter cooldowns and larger AoE. Using the sceptre (our condition weapon) and some utilities you can build up 10 stacks of bleed on an enemy and pop Epidemic to throw out quite a bit of aoe damage. Having such a short cooldown on Epidemic you can use it almost when ever you see an enemy with conditions on him, even if the conditions aren’t your own.
We have two options for swiftness: warhorn #5, and spectral walk. I don’t use warhorn outside PvP dagger builds, but I never leave home without Spectral Walk. Not only does it give you a ton of swiftness but when traited for shorter spectral cooldowns, and with a few points in Death Magic for boon duration, you can have almost zero swiftness downtime. On top of this all when you’re hit in spectral walk you generate Life Force for Death Shroud. And it also has the option within 8 seconds of teleporting you back to the spot where you activated it. All in all, its probably my favourite and IMO the most useful ability across all builds.
I hope this helps, and I hope you enjoy your Necro! I can’t play any other class
Ok I’ll give you some actual feedback, as it seems you’re getting nothing constructive.
I’ve seen you say you don’t play much PvP, do you do both PvE and WvW?
For PvE Necros are actually really good. You will have no problems in any area you go to except when fighting dredge and ice elementals. We don’t have much control in the form of CC for PvE, it pretty much comes down to using Flesh Golem for a knockdown, and dagger #3 for an immobilize. We do have a lot of ways to slow an enemy though between cripple and chill.
In WvW we can be pretty darn useful as well, but mostly in condition builds. The daggers are for power builds and only hit one target but hit hard, so it might be worth carrying one around just for smacking on doors or trebs. The staff is almost a must, and is very nice traited for shorter cooldowns and larger AoE. Using the sceptre (our condition weapon) and some utilities you can build up 10 stacks of bleed on an enemy and pop Epidemic to throw out quite a bit of aoe damage. Having such a short cooldown on Epidemic you can use it almost when ever you see an enemy with conditions on him, even if the conditions aren’t your own.
We have two options for swiftness: warhorn #5, and spectral walk. I don’t use warhorn outside PvP dagger builds, but I never leave home without Spectral Walk. Not only does it give you a ton of swiftness but when traited for shorter spectral cooldowns, and with a few points in Death Magic for boon duration, you can have almost zero swiftness downtime. On top of this all when you’re hit in spectral walk you generate Life Force for Death Shroud. And it also has the option within 8 seconds of teleporting you back to the spot where you activated it. All in all, its probably my favourite and IMO the most useful ability across all builds.
I hope this helps, and I hope you enjoy your Necro! I can’t play any other class
I’m just gonna tear this one apart in a single chunk, you can apply my comments to their relavent counterparts in your quote.
Nothing in WvW is any more useful than anything else. The meta in WvW is zerg + siege = win. You have very little impact as an individual of any class type in WvW. That’s just reality take it or leave it. So any argument about Necro being awesome in WvW is null based on this fact alone. What is awesome in WvW is AoEs and Ele and Mesmer and Engi and Thief …all get WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more powerful AoE and they don’t have to use a trait to make those AoE ranged. Simple fact.
In PvE again, all content is silly mode outside high end dungeons. You can complete all with zero difficulty wearing no gear, and using no trait points. I know for a fact you can do this because I know a couple people who leveled to 80 without picking up a single piece of gear or assigning a single trait point. Watched them play on Twitch.TV so I know they weren’t just messing with me. And the Dungeons and Fractals that get hard are pretty much just zerged. So any live body works.
Again Necro has no strengths here that every other class doesn’t have, and in top tier PvE content you start to feel how constrained you are as a Necro to focus down into a Healing/toughness build so you aren’t spending the whole dungeon running back from spawn point while everyone else kills everything.
And PvP, for a time Necro has been “useful” in very specific ways to structured PvP and tournaments. Not beneficial, but useful. Not a detriment like Ranger has been until recently. Now Necro cannot function in PvP without being carried.
It seems all negative nancy until you step back and realize the reality of it is even worse than the forum QQ. And that in particular is shocking to me.
Probably not, necro has just as many useless utilities and boring traits as the ranger, as well as pretty simple weapon skills, so you might end up getting bored as fast as your ranger. Possibly.
Xil, you are right to a degree. No us as a single Necro aren’t going to change the tide of a battle. But some things ARE more useful in WvW than others. For example, daggers are damn near useless except for attacking objects, but wells and marks are good to drop from a wall and provide pretty decent defense.
Yes PvE outside dungeons is easy but I don’t have much experience in dungeons so I couldn’t comment on it. If you’ve played the other professions (if you have a Necro you most likely have) then you’ll know some of them DO have a hard time. It was hell levelling up my mesmer to 30, and my ele.
As a Necro I can gather up the biggest group of enemies possible and come out standing on a pile of corpses. On most other classes, if you pull 5+ enemies, you’re dead. This is all just personal experience though, so you may have had a different experience than me.
I play a bit of sPvP but am no expert, and the OP says he doesn’t do sPvP so I left that out.
Is the Necro the best class? Hell no. Is it better at any other class at anything? Aside from gathering up a bunch of mobs and not dying in PvE, another resounding nope. However he was asking if playing a Necro is worth it over a Ranger, and he also said he wasn’t enjoying the ranger. Personally, I prefer a Necro over the Ranger. I prefer the Necro over everything. We may be weak as hell across the board but there is a certain charm this class has
I’ve got a ranger, necro and warrior. Also levelling thief and engi at present but they are not at 80 yet. It may be heresy around here, but I enjoy the necro the most out of the 3 80s. I use the warrior more often in dungeons but I’ve had fun with necro in WvW and PVE. Enjoyment of play is so subjective that you might as well just play the class for a while and judge for yourself.
Nobody thinks Necro isn’t fun. But in competitive PvP fun doesn’t win you glory or get you the cool gear. And no matter how much fun your class is to play, if you are constantly in Downed State or waiting to for the revive timer.
Dude. kitten not everything is about gear. And glory? It’s a video game. I think you may want to evaluate your priorities in life or something.
Plus, as I noted, I don’t PvP. I’m only interested in PvE, and maybe some WvWvW on occasion.
Actually, there are two things that do make a difference in wvw: Portal bombing makes mesmers valuable as a class, and escapes are valuable when things go wrong. Neither of these are necro class features. Oh, and wall of reflect, but we don’t have that.
But if you like hiding near a jumping puzzle and killing upleveled noobs, our class mechanics work great for that. Hard to get away from and all that.
Dude. kitten not everything is about gear. And glory? It’s a video game. I think you may want to evaluate your priorities in life or something.
Um, you might want to consult the wiki on glory before you put your foot in your…
Ouch. that looks painful. Should I get a guardian to fix you up?
Xil, you are right to a degree. No us as a single Necro aren’t going to change the tide of a battle. But some things ARE more useful in WvW than others. For example, daggers are damn near useless except for attacking objects, but wells and marks are good to drop from a wall and provide pretty decent defense.
Yes PvE outside dungeons is easy but I don’t have much experience in dungeons so I couldn’t comment on it. If you’ve played the other professions (if you have a Necro you most likely have) then you’ll know some of them DO have a hard time. It was hell levelling up my mesmer to 30, and my ele.
As a Necro I can gather up the biggest group of enemies possible and come out standing on a pile of corpses. On most other classes, if you pull 5+ enemies, you’re dead. This is all just personal experience though, so you may have had a different experience than me.
I play a bit of sPvP but am no expert, and the OP says he doesn’t do sPvP so I left that out.
Is the Necro the best class? Hell no. Is it better at any other class at anything? Aside from gathering up a bunch of mobs and not dying in PvE, another resounding nope. However he was asking if playing a Necro is worth it over a Ranger, and he also said he wasn’t enjoying the ranger. Personally, I prefer a Necro over the Ranger. I prefer the Necro over everything. We may be weak as hell across the board but there is a certain charm this class has
I think the idea of Necro is fun. But the GW2 Necro stops being fun when you realize how little you have to offer any given experience and how little reward you get from any given content.
Absolutely overland mobs die by the scores to Necro AoE. But Elementalist do it way better. So does Mesmer (if you trait for it). Pretty much every other class can put together a more powerful and more sustainable AoE build for PvE.
And the real issue is that there is no significant difference between a a geared and traited necro in overland PvE and one without gear and traits assigned. It is the same no matter what you do. If you focus builds and get good gear you can farm champions solo if you like fighting for 10 minutes per mob for no reward or clearing stupid long dungeons solo for blues…
Necro is just not a rewarding class in any true sense. Even in WvW Necro get boned by loot bags and spike damage that other class have in droves but Necro are not allowed to have. 30k + health doesn’t mean anything if any Ranger/Thief/Engi/RifleWarrior/Mesmer… can lock you down and tear through that health like its not even their since you have no stability or damage immunity to speak of.
Necro mechanics are fun and active. But fun and active doesn’t compensate for being useless in much of the content available to you because 40% of traits and skills either don’t work due to global issues or are plain broken.
From my limited experiences in dungeons you can actually do a pretty good job with a supportive build. If you spec for vitality and toughness and trait in the Soul Reaping tree to make Death Shroud better, you can tank pretty nicely. There are some nice traits to remove conditions on entering DS, granting fury on entering DS, granting retaliation on entering DS, apply vulnerability PBaoe around yourself in DS, heal allies for a HUGE chunk with DS #4, have DS #1 grant you might with each hit… You won’t be the most useful or most damaging or player in dungeons but you can definitely hold your own and still have fun while doing it.
Don’t let everyone get you down. Everybody (me included) is really upset about the lack of attention this class needs. There are issues we’ve had since beta that anet knew about that still aren’t fixed. A lot of them are actually pretty huge issues. I haven’t been playing my Necro lately, I’ve been playing other games and levelling up some alts but the Necro is still my favourite, and the one I had the most fun levelling in PvE
Dude. kitten not everything is about gear. And glory? It’s a video game. I think you may want to evaluate your priorities in life or something.
Dude. kitten not everything is about gear. And glory? It’s a video game. I think you may want to evaluate your priorities in life or something.
Um, you might want to consult the wiki on glory before you put your foot in your…
Ouch. that looks painful. Should I get a guardian to fix you up?
Wiki: “Glory is an account-wide type of currency that can be used to upgrade the look of PvP equipment or unlock reward chests, ultimately giving you PvP rewards.”
I’m really not sure how many times I have to say I don’t care about sPvP in this thread before it gets across. Good job hijacking the thread guys. Either way I rolled it, I’m enjoying it, and you guys can keep the post.
He’s not saying there’s no point in doing these things for gear and glory, just that it isn’t the only reason to do them.
I don’t do sPvP for glory at all, I just do it because I enjoy the challenge and the very occasional satisfaction of playing my class well enough to beat some noobs (because I’m not good enough to go toe to toe against good players). Any glory I happen to earn is just a bonus, but I just do it for the fun of it
Any glory I happen to earn is just a bonus, but I just do it for the fun of it
I agree with you on this here. If PvP is fun for you, then by all means do it. For me PvP isn’t particularly fun, I prefer 5 man dungeons and open world content. I enjoy playing with my wife, and/or as part of a group, but I’m not a big fan of structured competitive play, I prefer cooperative gameplay, and playing through the storylines. That’s fun for me.
I’m not hardcore, and don’t want to be. I did the hardcore raiding in WoW, ran a guild, dealt with the bullkitten, and just want to enjoy myself at nobody else’s expense.
Judging by the rest of the posts in the Necro forum, I guess posting here might have been a bad idea, there seems to be a lot of rage here compared to the other class forums, even ranger, so I’ll just play and enjoy it. I’ve got 5 char slots, I don’t really need every toon I roll to be “competitive,” I just wanted to try something fun and different. So to you Levian, thanks for your post and for the information, but everyone else here, particularly Xil, seem to be straight downers.
Just a friendly tip for you if you like playing PvE with people. If you get the 10 point Blood Magic Major trait Transfusion your friends will love you. It gives a pretty huge heal to ALL allies, not just the limit of 5 that almost every AoE ability seems to suffer from. Some classes with low health pools and not much healing (like a thief) will really love you for it.
And you can add to their survivability by taking Wells and using Death Shroud to tank when they get hurt.
I hope you don’t take everything you saw here to heart as this truly is a fun class to play, especially for what you’re looking for. If you decide to go for it, I hope you enjoy it!
He’s not saying there’s no point in doing these things for gear and glory, just that it isn’t the only reason to do them.
I don’t do sPvP for glory at all, I just do it because I enjoy the challenge and the very occasional satisfaction of playing my class well enough to beat some noobs (because I’m not good enough to go toe to toe against good players). Any glory I happen to earn is just a bonus, but I just do it for the fun of it
You know what is not fun? Having to guess what Traits work and don’t as a new player. The real issues with Necro start with how nothing about playing Necro is intuitive. Almost half of the Traits don’t do what they say they are supposed to do. And Necro does not serve the function its bio pages says it fills.
And… AND.. everything a Necro can do, someone else does it better. So you work harder to learn how everything works only to discover you also need to work harder to successfully complete content, yet there is no reward for this added difficulty.
The appeal of Necro breaks down from every single perspective other than one of complacent denial.
He’s not saying there’s no point in doing these things for gear and glory, just that it isn’t the only reason to do them.
I don’t do sPvP for glory at all, I just do it because I enjoy the challenge and the very occasional satisfaction of playing my class well enough to beat some noobs (because I’m not good enough to go toe to toe against good players). Any glory I happen to earn is just a bonus, but I just do it for the fun of it
You know what is not fun? Having to guess what Traits work and don’t as a new player. The real issues with Necro start with how nothing about playing Necro is intuitive. Almost half of the Traits don’t do what they say they are supposed to do. And Necro does not serve the function its bio pages says it fills.
And… AND.. everything a Necro can do, someone else does it better. So you work harder to learn how everything works only to discover you also need to work harder to successfully complete content, yet there is no reward for this added difficulty.
The appeal of Necro breaks down from every single perspective other than one of complacent denial.
I know you’re upset about the recent… nothingness… that… hasn’t happened? It doesn’t affect me as much because I honestly haven’t been playing GW2 lately, I’ve been busy with AC3, Borderlands 2, Far Cry 3, Dark Souls DLC, Dragon’s Dogma… And occasionally when I’m bored I’ll try to level an alt.
Just curious, what’s your favourite profession? What did you find the most fun to level, and to play as an 80 in all respects – PvE, sPvP and WvW? I really don’t want to level every class to 60 or so just to find out, so I’m looking for some opinions from people who liked the Necro
Necro. But I have been playing Necro since March 1999 so I am Necro Bias, shaman bias as well but no shaman here…
Also I killed the first 50 Ur Dragons, have set thousands of midgets on fire and cannot afford the rest of those games because I wasted my money on GW2. =)
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I’m really not sure how many times I have to say I don’t care about sPvP in this thread before it gets across. Good job hijacking the thread guys. Either way I rolled it, I’m enjoying it, and you guys can keep the post.
Nice bluff but from your “glory? It’s a video game. I think you may want to evaluate your priorities in life or something.” comment, it’s clear you were spouting off without knowing what glory was. Sorry if providing you information that you clearly were lacking is now “hijacking”.
I’m glad you’re liking necro, and as long as you remain a PvE hero safely outside a dungeon, you’ll have a lot of fun. Just don’t come back here complaining when you try something outside of the starter areas, because we did our best to warn you.
I quite enjoyed my Ranger when I played one through beta, mostly in wvw with a little bit of pve. Mostly ran around with sword-warhorn & shortbow or longbow-greatsword with a few variations on the trait/slot skills.
About my only complaints with it was that it was a bit ‘vanilla’ if I was putting it side by side with other archer/pet type classes in other games and not really bought anything new to the table. I did enjoy exploring to find new pets though.
Necro… I’ve started to find the shine wearing off in that I’m more or less stuck using the same stuff* and if you thought ranger pets where ‘fairly daft’ you’ll be horrified at just how terrible necro pets can be as a liability!
*I’m basically a “force-multiplier/zerg killer”- very high-condition damage spec and fairly much stuck using the same spec, same weapons at 80 (Sceptre-Dagger + Staff), as I was at level 30. Single-target takedown ability is very bad, but I’m rarely presented with a ‘single target’ so to speak.
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Any glory I happen to earn is just a bonus, but I just do it for the fun of it
I agree with you on this here. If PvP is fun for you, then by all means do it. For me PvP isn’t particularly fun, I prefer 5 man dungeons and open world content. I enjoy playing with my wife, and/or as part of a group, but I’m not a big fan of structured competitive play, I prefer cooperative gameplay, and playing through the storylines. That’s fun for me.
I’m not hardcore, and don’t want to be. I did the hardcore raiding in WoW, ran a guild, dealt with the bullkitten, and just want to enjoy myself at nobody else’s expense.
Judging by the rest of the posts in the Necro forum, I guess posting here might have been a bad idea, there seems to be a lot of rage here compared to the other class forums, even ranger, so I’ll just play and enjoy it. I’ve got 5 char slots, I don’t really need every toon I roll to be “competitive,” I just wanted to try something fun and different. So to you Levian, thanks for your post and for the information, but everyone else here, particularly Xil, seem to be straight downers.
If all you want to do is roam around in the world solo, by all means, play necro.
If you want to do dungeons, stay very far away, we don’t bring anything to a group anymore.