Guild Wars 2

Necros should get Retaliation….because Guards and Engis have it?

It’s fair because we have no vigor/stability?

Tryble.6819:

Necros should get Retaliation….because Guards and Engis have it?

It’s fair because we have no vigor/stability?

Actually necros used to be the primary retal and stability profession, having both on permanently while in DS and insane duration via axe, then both got nerfed into 0.01% of what it was. So it kinda sorta makes a little sense… ¯\(°_o)/¯

I do think our retaliation needs to be more accessible. Right now, nearly all our retal is loaded on axe #3:. Unholy feast is actually a really good source of retaliation if you can hit multiple targets, giving near full duration by itself. The problems being that axe sucks, and it requires you to be surrounded to use effectively. So, for the majority of circumstances, it isn’t enough.

But, since our retaliation is currently balanced around another trait that exists almost solely to make other traits worthless, there’s no true way to improve retal without fixing those other issues. I would like to see the following changes, though:

Spiteful Spirit: 5 second duration
Spiteful Vigor: 10 second duration
Unholy Feast: fine where it is

Our current retal duration is pretty much okay, although the retal on trait could use a little bit more imo.

What we need is more access in general.

Bhawb.7408:

Our current retal duration is pretty much okay, although the retal on trait could use a little bit more imo.

What we need is more access in general.

It should either be the good old perma ds retal effect (not buff) to honor the name of spiteful spirit (but ofc weaker than real retal since its a 10 point investment) or get a name change and +2 base duration (same thing applies to FitG, but changing name back to shade in case a).

uhhh…. no?
Spiteful spirit + near to death, axe 3.

We do need more access, I am in full agreement with Bhawb on this one. Our current durations are pretty good, but we don’t have enough sources.

Since we have to face-tank everything, the least we could get is less incentive to be focused.

We can perma retal now, but when you break it down to specific traits related to it, they are lacking (I’m looking at you spiteful spirit and spiteful vigor). they need to be at least 5 seconds. Any more though and I think it’s a little overkill. As they are now, unless you use other means of retal, you won’t even notice having them. They expire before the next hit lands on you usually, which makes them pretty pointless to bring at all. Spiteful vigor also does not proc twice on blood fiend like other on-heal effects as it should, making it doubly useless.

well since the last nerf this topic is now obsolete…

Retal was fun when you could blast your WoB and get that little bit of sustain with retaliation..
This is over now and so is this topic.

Nay of the Ether.8913:

We can perma retal now, but when you break it down to specific traits related to it, they are lacking (I’m looking at you spiteful spirit and spiteful vigor). they need to be at least 5 seconds. Any more though and I think it’s a little overkill. As they are now, unless you use other means of retal, you won’t even notice having them. They expire before the next hit lands on you usually, which makes them pretty pointless to bring at all. Spiteful vigor also does not proc twice on blood fiend like other on-heal effects as it should, making it doubly useless.

Consider using your heal at ~60% when taking dmg if you have 15 in sr, as well as locust swarm and unholy feast. You will probably drop to 50% right as the heal goes off. Jump immediatly into ds and enjoy the amount of retal you have in deathshroud as well as the amount of lf your getting granted youre around multiple opponents.These traits are fine but spectral armor could use retal…or reflect.