Guild Wars 2

Hello guys.

I love doing CoE but since we have no access to vigor, its always been difficult.

At P3, I used to dodge three aoes and mitigate the third with DS and do the rest like this. Since DS is fixed, that’s no longer seems possible. Now i’m just forced to take damage and die.

Is this the end of CoE for necromancers ? Or have other people found other solutions ?

Thank you.

If you are powermancer, just generate enough LF to absorb the damage, you should be able to generate quite a bit in few rotations.

If you are conditionmancer, may the god have mercy on your soul for alpha will not.

Targuil.3741:

If you are powermancer, just generate enough LF to absorb the damage, you should be able to generate quite a bit in few rotations.

If you are conditionmancer, may the god have mercy on your soul for alpha will not.

and everything about that sounds legit right? about being forced to spec in a certain wait to even function in a dungeon? lol…..

He does 2 types of aoe. The small one you can either survive or walk out of, no dodge..for the big aoe count 1-2 and dodge…you usually have just enough endurance for 1 dodge. Also wurm helps aaalot.To survive big aoe you need 80% of ds, its ridiculous…if u lose focus and get downed, you’re toast in 0.01s

I’ve never had a problem with CoE on my Necro. Only occasionally did I have to depend on DS to eat all the damage from that large AoE, but only because I kittened up by wasting a dodge earlier.

And you don’t need to dodge all of them anyway.

I’ve not run CoE with my necro in ages.. as let’s face it.. warrior is easy mode faceroll if I just want to get it over with. But! My warrior doesn’t have vigor going unless I get it from someone else in the party, so I use Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew on path 2/3.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Orrian_Truffle_and_Meat_Stew

My view is probably not shared by the majority but I vent it to play the devil’s advocate. I’m actually a reasonably guy =)

Balancing classes is /not/ about 1v1 to me. That’s basically what you are trying to do when comparing classes/builds with a fixed reference as soloing a dungeon.

Different parts of different dungeons are easy/hard for different classes/builds. There’s a party around you and you are supposed to help each other. The same goes for WvW and PvP. This is not strange to me.

Solo PvE is a different story, but you can still ask for help when needed.

What I am frustrated about is the necromancer roller-coaster lately. Change is good, it takes time to adjust but we haven’t been given that time properly.

I used to love doing CoE specially if running support build, however i can’t enjoy this build anymore <<< guardian in party is much better than poor necro

1- I tried full cleric-siphon with wells and staff/dagger and its just faceroll fight and keys spamming
2- although that cleric build doesn’t look fun because the lack of damage so you can simply run full berserker with 30 point in soul reaping and rely on dodge to avoid most of AOE attacks and Death Shroud to absorb rest
3- I never tried Conditionmancer in CoE but i think will face some troubles with alpha

my last CoE run i was on Dagger-Dagger/Axe-Warhorn with Wells utilities (Soldier/Berserker armors and full Berserker weapons/accessories) and it was good run

Just found out this trick (yeah ..I know):

Take your elite with lowest CD and use lyssa runes, dont activate your elite unless in serious trouble.. don’t know the internal CD of the rune effect but…

This trick might just buy you some time.. [unless vs boonhate.]

It does cost you your setup and might have to create your build around it.
But works for me most times.

Lothirieth.3408:

I’ve not run CoE with my necro in ages.. as let’s face it.. warrior is easy mode faceroll if I just want to get it over with. But! My warrior doesn’t have vigor going unless I get it from someone else in the party, so I use Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew on path 2/3.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Bowl_of_Orrian_Truffle_and_Meat_Stew

Just use the endurance signet (w/e the name)

I’ve very little experience with CoE so let me know if anything in my post is incorrect, or if Alpha in path 3 differs significantly from path 2 (the OP only mentions path 3 but another post mentioned path 2 as well). I did path 2 yesterday with my conditionmancer and apart from the mistakes I made due to it being my first time we actually did alright.

The first Alpha fight was the hardest for me as I was learning the dodging pattern, and also because it seemed to me like he hits hardest in the first fight. With the 2 dodges and absorbing some damage with deathshroud if I was low on health I managed to stay up for all 3 Alpha fights. My armour was all Rabid gear with Undead runes.

Given the damage the AoE dished out I think I may have actually done worse on a more agile but lower HP class due to being unable to survive more than 1 mistake.

Just finished p2, with my hybrid build (30/30/0/0/10) , extremely squishy. Survived last alpha fight while engi and mesm died…we actually have enough endurance for that, but we have to be extremely careful (tip: when down rally on adds;) )

Sigil of energy will help out a lot, and I think there’s a food that will give you vigor on crit? Over the course of the fight there are only 1 or two times when he chains his big aoe so quickly that you’ll run out of endurance. I use to use DS to take the blow but with the recent patch I’ve been using plague form. This does also require that you never dodge anything but the big overlapping red circle aoe. If your team can melee stack it makes it much easier.

As a necro; my best source of Vigor in CoE is one of the following:

A warrior friend who likes warhorn.
A mesmer friend who likes signet of inspiration.

Just hug the heavies and steal as much health as possible.

One idea for CoE, haven’t tested it on my necro, but it’s that Well of Power gives Vigor when it converts a bleed, so you could use Blood is Power, then the well and get about 10 sec of vigor, also Well of Power converts burning to Aegis, so you could wait til Alpha uses his flame attack and get both vigor and aegis from the well. Not much but every little helps.

Valderro.6389:

One idea for CoE, haven’t tested it on my necro, but it’s that Well of Power gives Vigor when it converts a bleed, so you could use Blood is Power, then the well and get about 10 sec of vigor, also Well of Power converts burning to Aegis, so you could wait til Alpha uses his flame attack and get both vigor and aegis from the well. Not much but every little helps.

Unless you have a helpful teammate that uses prompt AoE condition clear. XD

I’ve been in situations where I want to type “No, stop helping people so that I can help people!” but that’s a little insane, I think.

You’re over-dodging. Position yourself and run out of some of the AOEs instead of dodging, and you should be fine.

I do COE as a condition necromancer, and I never have a problem.

The no vigor & now no low LF = Vigor replacement is a bit painful.

Bowl of Orrian Truffle and Meat Stew Gain might when you dodge. +40% to your Endurance refill rate.

^- Food buff might help.

Stack on the boss >>> BiP yourself >>> well of power >>> you got vigor now. Use that with orrian stew and it’s not a problem. Or just be a charr and bring hidden pistol and you have as much dodges as someone with vigor without having to do gimmicks. Stackign on the boss is a must though, and make sure you have collision turned off so you can actually walk inside of him. If you’re stopped right in front, this won’t work. Get the counts down for his big aoe’s and it’s not a problem. The only downfall for this method is fatigue. The fights drag on so ridiculously long sometimes that you start to get fatigued by it and make mistakes or fail to hit the dodge cleanly. Wurm helps too if you put it up on a wall somewhere. Unfortunately with our DS being worthless now, don’t expect a second chance at this. You either get it right or you don’t. After the 2nd death just tell them to leave you down to spare your gear.

It’s a really shame we have to rely on food to complete a dungeon……

Afya.5842:

It’s a really shame we have to rely on food to complete a dungeon……

that whole patch brought shame to necros in pve lol your LF pool drains just as fast as ever , and now we dont have that big dmg absorb feature (that nearly every other class has with enough vigor , blocks , etc) necro got shafted hard all for the sake of pvp….lol dont you love balanced being done for pve directly from pvp view only? XD

I personally, have swapped over from zerker, heals & wells. Over to Knights gear/divinity runes, 30/10/0/0/30, heavy deathshroud tank build.

Sure before when I went Litch to burst some, I now hit for ~4k less per attack.
Sure before I was healing the party in aoe burst with DS4, and dropping healing wells under others. Adding a heap of group help with wells, from vuln, condi cleans. Let alone the help of having combo fields up heaps.

But I didn’t do the hybrid glass cannon spec that lots told me to. Im not fighting for condi stack spots, Im not useless on objects like doors/turrets/etc.
Most importantly, Im not a puddle on the ground that needs res’ing over and over.
I’ve actually taken up role of tank/kite.
Enfeebling blood + Stability on DS, Axe/Focus + Staff AoE slows, do wonders for kite.
Spect Armor on bar, as well as at 50% life, help some towards no vigor/building enough LF to DS up unavoidable others avoid.

So far, there’s only been 1 fight where the party damage wasn’t keeping up with boss heals, where someone said “Im heavy armor, I should tank, you dps”. They died within seconds, and faith was restored in me/my role.

My point. I do actually feel more like a attrition necro. I am feeling love/vital in pug dungeons. I was ‘mad bro’ and still have a slight bitter taste in the mouth, but with a change of mindset, Im loving my necro more than ever.

This’ been itching me in the back of my mind lately:

with latest patch they want us to play more around Death Shroud’s Life Force management, with increased % regen from Spectrals (Grasp/Armor/Walk); and seeing how our DS lifepool and LF regens are all % based and not fixed amounts -> wouldn’t we benefit a lot from getting some Sentinel gear/Azurite orbs ?

We already get big crit chance with 50% chc in DS trait. Kinda very curious about mixing in Sentinel in a a following build:
30 VI VIII XII
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30 II ?(adapting to situation) XII