Condi optimization for roaming

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Posted by: Gryph.8237

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Question for you condi roamers out there. I currently run a 6/6/0/0/2 condi build with perplex runes for a full burst condi build, and use cb, sw, and SoS for utilities. As you likely know cc is my biggest weakness after I burn my one stun break and 2 dodges, and perplex runes are bugged with fear. I am considering running a 0/6/2/0/6 terror mancer build and I wanted to ask what other condi roamers think about the damage output and rune choice. I’m not a huge fan of travelor runes as I have gotten used to not having the run speed and want to know how nightmare runes would work. Do nightmare runes cover the duration loss from not having the spite line, and without dhuumfire will I notice a huge loss in spike damage? Is it worth it to drop spite in order to have the added stun break/stability and a little added defense? I’m also considering running shrouded removal instead of the staff skill that reduces cool downs, as I don’t use it now. Thoughts?

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Posted by: Gryph.8237

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No one has any advice? No condi roamers out there running or considering running a 0/6/2/0/6 condi build?

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Posted by: Sagat.3285

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Maybe check and post on the other active threads talking about the new FotG.

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The Dhuumfire thread

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Posted by: Rav.9475

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This is what I used to run in WvW when roaming.

Honestly haven’t done WvW since they nerfed FitG but since it’s now back will be WvW roaming soon.

I can’t do WvW with no speed increases hence both WH and sWalk – I may lose the sWalk but then again I may not!

Edit: really bad link there!

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Posted by: MethaneGas.8357

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Nightmare Runes would give you, in total 55% condi duration (on top of Koi Cakes). With 30 in spite and Koi cakes, you had 70% condi duration so you only lost 15% condi duration, which in my opinion isn’t a big deal. You WOULD lose confusion (maybe not that much since Perplexity and Fear are kinda bugged at the moment) and burning. Dhuumfire is really good for burst but it’s a little clunky, and if you’re getting focus fire it can be a bit hard to aim it because you have to face your target.

Another alternative can be something like Krait Runes because those bring up your bleed duration by 45% and they’re cheap, but it’s up to you.

As for damage, your damage should be fine with 0/6/2/0/6. Of course, you won’t have the burst you’d have if you added burning on top of that, but you should stick pack a huge punch. You have corrupt boon and signet of spite… those two on a single target are crazy damage.

What weapon do you use offhand? Dagger or warhorn?
If you use dagger, then shrouded removal may not be the best, although the trait is pretty good.

If you feel like CC and being locked down is an issue, then you can easily try out 0/6/2/0/6. I don’t think it will cost you much, and having another stun break and a bit of stability can be worth it, especially since you only have one stun break with your utilities.

Sorry if the answer isn’t too elaborate but… it’s best if you test both builds, because they both work. 6/6/0/0/2 is squishy but high damage. 6/4/0/0/4 could work as well. 0/6/4/0/4, 4/6/0/0/4… Personally, I use 0/6/2/0/6 at the moment, since they nerfed DS cooldown and I grab Near to death (it rocks) to make up for the nerf. I haven’t tried the new Foot in the grave yet in WvW, but it rocks in sPvP.

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Posted by: Gryph.8237

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Thanks. I am currently running twilight arbor to pick up nightmare runes and try it out. Pain in the but because I hate dungeons. I thought nightmare was better because the condi duration increase effects torment, poison and bleed etc, and my perplex runes are not triggering confusion on fears which sucks. Also my fear damage appears to bugged and does noticeable less damage. I’ll jump back and forth between the builds and see

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Posted by: Purecura.1795

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I’m running a 4/6/4/0/0 condimancer with runes of the undead

Lv.80 Chronomancer (Mesmerist Palamecia)
Lv.80 Scrapper (Alchemist Persenia)
Lv.80 Druid (Mender Zalintyre)

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Posted by: Anchoku.8142

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I have a similar Perplexity set but do not roam WvW with it. I use it for event farming in PvE like in Silverwastes. (Orr has too many targets of opportunity to miss out on Greater Marks and other AoE maximizing traits or skills so I use zerker scholar.) Proc’ing interrupts as often as possible using horn and fears is more of an experimental niche build for fun and variety.

A glassy build like yours is too risky for me in WvW. Sorry, I am not much help with your question.

Edit: Also, with Perplexity condition duration and condition damage are much less important than timing. Fear does not proc confusion if the runes are on CD or if a skill was not interrupted. Having fear available on demand for manual or auto proc is my priority.

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Posted by: Holl.3109

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0/6/2/0/6 with SA and Swalk/Swall/Sarmor is so strong in WvW. Now with the FitG buff it’s my go-to condi build. Was running it be4 and will be running it now too
(for PvP just take PoC instead of SA)

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Posted by: Gryph.8237

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Hollwhat runes do you run? (Apple autocorrect sucks)

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Posted by: Holl.3109

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Nightmare, perplex, krait mostly

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Posted by: Gryph.8237

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K. Think I’m going to try out warhorn like in your vids. Like the mobility and cripple plus lf gain. Dagger 4 is good for condi transfers and blind but I can reserve staff four.

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Posted by: Holl.3109

Holl.3109

K. Think I’m going to try out warhorn like in your vids. Like the mobility and cripple plus lf gain. Dagger 4 is good for condi transfers and blind but I can reserve staff four.

Exactly, LF is more needed on condi nec.

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Posted by: Player.8373

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I run a staff build 0/4/4/0/6 , tanky ,good survivability,strong damage (if useing carrion) ,vulnerable to cc,no mobility (except Dark Path) and good life force regen.