Guild Wars 2

I think necro has a chance of getting the defiance bar trait mentioned in the elite spec blog post. It’s between warrior and necro honestly though for me, but since warrior has 5 or more ways to get stability, I think necro may get it. Thoughts on this speculation or am I just speaking pure craziness?

Nope makes perfect sense/no sarcasm

It’s possibly a scaling defense vs CC but we have no idea what will come with it and base necro, I see it as a loss-loss but the devs can always surprise us.

It will be warrior or Rev. Too good to be true? Not necro! :P

If we obtain the defiance bar instead of DS we’ll be no more able to active the DS, then we lose uor only way to defend ourselves.
They can add it with a F2 skill (they add a F5 to mesmer, why not a F2 to necro?) but we haven’t enough ways to obtain life force, expecially in spvp, to sustain both DS and DB.

ronpierce.2760:

It will be warrior or Rev. Too good to be true? Not necro! :P

Rev doesn’t fit, war and necro are really the only suited one because we share somewhat of a similar design root but war weakness is not CC. They will not make a failed elite specialisation this could turn into what arcana is for ele a must have it’s a loss-loss.

It isn’t a question of would or could. Necro NEEDS a defiance bar. Warrior is powerful enough, eles definitely don’t need one. I can’t see why necros wouldn’t have one.

We have a good chance to get it, it is essentially a non-permanent Shade. Gain Defiance Bar on entering DS (lose it if you exit DS), a more counter-able version of Shade.

It would make excellent sense to have Taunt, Defiance, Stability, Retaliation, Reflect, and Protect on a wells build.

That said, the odds are pretty low in my mind.

Bhawb.7408:

We have a good chance to get it, it is essentially a non-permanent Shade. Gain Defiance Bar on entering DS (lose it if you exit DS), a more counter-able version of Shade.

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

Anchoku.8142:

It would make excellent sense to have Taunt, Defiance, Stability, Retaliation, Reflect, and Protect on a wells build.

That said, the odds are pretty low in my mind.

Wut? We are getting new utilities obviously all that would go their and rest of the line, we have good access to retaliation/protect already just not worth it, I always found offensive spec works better than defensive ones on necro, I doubt the traits will be that compatible for some reasons.

Its possible, but I don’t see it as likely. If they refused to give us decent stability I don’t see any chance at them giving us something even stronger. I hope I’m proven wrong. I’m always so delighted when I’m wrong. Because Usually I’m right about the absolute worst things.

Lily.1935:

Its possible, but I don’t see it as likely. If they refused to give us decent stability I don’t see any chance at them giving us something even stronger. I hope I’m proven wrong. I’m always so delighted when I’m wrong. Because Usually I’m right about the absolute worst things.

Idk, I think the idea is to give us back Shade in the clever way.

That said, it does make me wonder about FitG because it would just seem so… Redundant at that point? I just hope we get it for the sole reason that it won’t be going to someone else.

ronpierce.2760:

Lily.1935:

Its possible, but I don’t see it as likely. If they refused to give us decent stability I don’t see any chance at them giving us something even stronger. I hope I’m proven wrong. I’m always so delighted when I’m wrong. Because Usually I’m right about the absolute worst things.

Idk, I think the idea is to give us back Shade in the clever way.

That said, it does make me wonder about FitG because it would just seem so… Redundant at that point? I just hope we get it for the sole reason that it won’t be going to someone else.

who says that FitG wouldn’t be the one giving us the defiance bar? Nothing saying it can’t be a stunbreak with defiance.

Lily.1935:

ronpierce.2760:

Lily.1935:

Its possible, but I don’t see it as likely. If they refused to give us decent stability I don’t see any chance at them giving us something even stronger. I hope I’m proven wrong. I’m always so delighted when I’m wrong. Because Usually I’m right about the absolute worst things.

Idk, I think the idea is to give us back Shade in the clever way.

That said, it does make me wonder about FitG because it would just seem so… Redundant at that point? I just hope we get it for the sole reason that it won’t be going to someone else.

who says that FitG wouldn’t be the one giving us the defiance bar? Nothing saying it can’t be a stunbreak with defiance.

Only that they said one of the NEW traits would give defiance. Also keep in mind that, while it would be kind of redundant when playing the elite spec, the base Necro would lose that stability if they were to change FitG. Although, if they would turn it from 1 stack stab to 3 second block/invuln, I wouldn’t mind…

Bhawb.7408:

We have a good chance to get it, it is essentially a non-permanent Shade. Gain Defiance Bar on entering DS (lose it if you exit DS), a more counter-able version of Shade.

I kinda thought a similar way of this, but more like, you scratch the deathshroud abilities, and instead of “transforming” into deathshroud, you just get a coat wich is using life force as defiance and you retain your utilities and weapon skills with swap ability also while in the coat of deathshroud. Ofc this would need to rework almost all skills to rebalance this and like giving 400 toughness while using the coat or something, but i would be way happier with something like this than what we have now.

Foot in the Grave is still a stun break on a very short CD, and doesn’t require specing into a specific elite specialization. Less restrictive, more reactive.

If they change our DS into Defiance Bar they will obtain a dead walking necromancer.
We have only the DS to defend us and it’s a very very very bad fedensive skill. If they strip it out of us how we can be not killed easy by almost all the classes with just a lot of dps?

Silv.9207:

If they change our DS into Defiance Bar they will obtain a dead walking necromancer.
We have only the DS to defend us and it’s a very very very bad fedensive skill. If they strip it out of us how we can be not killed easy by almost all the classes with just a lot of dps?

I think the idea is the GM makes DS have a defiance bar with it. It’s a GM trait, so in addition to. Not an elite spec replacement.

Yeah I doubt they will turn LF into defiance bar, although that does sound like something ANet might do, but have it in addition to. Again, it is most likely a replacement for Shade, which we’ve been asking for for ages.

Keep in mind that nasty things will happen as soon as the defiance bar is broken: stuns, damage received is 50% higher etc.

Belenwyn.8674:

Keep in mind that nasty things will happen as soon as the defiance bar is broken: stuns, damage received is 50% higher etc.

Yeah. I’m iffy myself. Have been since it’s discussion, but keeping my fingers crossed that the draw backs are minimalized for players lol. Otherwise it’d likely cause more harm than good. Head shot head shot head shot 20k backstab!

What if engi gets it they are getting hammer sooo…worst thing ever devs don’t do it.

Sagat.3285:

What if engi gets it they are getting hammer sooo…worst thing ever devs don’t do it.

They’re already getting a pulsing stability with Juggernaut 2.0 (or 1.0?), I doubt they’d give Engineers another indefinite anti-CC mechanic after that.

If the necro epic Spec gets a Defiance bar, I don’t think it would be DS related, if only because of how it would synergize with Foot in the Grave… Though I guess Stunbreak + Defiance bar with DS would be a nice combo, but would happen with that stability?

Foefaller.1082:

Sagat.3285:

What if engi gets it they are getting hammer sooo…worst thing ever devs don’t do it.

They’re already getting a pulsing stability with Juggernaut 2.0 (or 1.0?), I doubt they’d give Engineers another indefinite anti-CC mechanic after that.

If the necro epic Spec gets a Defiance bar, I don’t think it would be DS related, if only because of how it would synergize with Foot in the Grave… Though I guess Stunbreak + Defiance bar with DS would be a nice combo, but would happen with that stability?

I’d imagine the Stability would prevent a CC from affecting the Defiance bar at all.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Foefaller.1082:

Sagat.3285:

What if engi gets it they are getting hammer sooo…worst thing ever devs don’t do it.

They’re already getting a pulsing stability with Juggernaut 2.0 (or 1.0?), I doubt they’d give Engineers another indefinite anti-CC mechanic after that.

If the necro epic Spec gets a Defiance bar, I don’t think it would be DS related, if only because of how it would synergize with Foot in the Grave… Though I guess Stunbreak + Defiance bar with DS would be a nice combo, but would happen with that stability?

I’d imagine the Stability would prevent a CC from affecting the Defiance bar at all.

If we look at what both engi and necro are lacking, CC protection(somewhat for engi) and melee cleave are revealed…engi getting it would be the worst to happen for everyone even if it’s passive I rather see it on necro if it has to come.

I coudl definitely see it. At first reading of the Defiance thing I thought it was guardian or warrior, but as the weeks have gone by I have found necromancer a much more likely candidate.

It would just fit so well thematically with the Necro face tank philosophy. Anet has kept a lot of the active style defenses away from necro with the idea that they are meant to tank with their DS and other mechanics. Defiance would fit perfectly with this.