Guild Wars 2

does it work?

I run around with 61% crit chance, sigil of rage has a 10% chance to proc on crit. In over a week of wvw/pve farming for $$ I have never noticed it proccing. I know it doesn’t show up in combat log, but I would think I would notice it on screen.

Has anyone else tried this sigil? or know if it indeed does not work with our daggers? FYI the sigil is applied to my offhand warhorn.

It works fine, although it’s not my personal preference as It’s annoying if it proc’s earlier then I want it. What sigil are you using on your dagger? if it is also a ‘on crit’ sigil, they share a CD, so it’s far less likely for rage to proc then the other one.

Echoing what War Mourner said, it definitely works. If you haven’t noticed it proccing, it may be because you’re using another “on crit” proc sigil on your mainhand dagger. “On crit” sigils all share an internal cooldown, so if you’re using one with a higher chance to proc (Ex: Sigil of Earth gives bleed chance on a 60% chance off crits), you’re likely limiting yourself in that regard.

Sigil of Rage isn’t the best option for a dagger necro, but it’s a decent cheap alternative to some of the better ones.

on mainhand dagger is +5% crit chance, offhand is the sigil of rage, was just a cheap experiment. for a Dagger necro for procs what do you suggest? normally I use the el cheapo air, cause it is a random ~1200 damage now and then.

Sigil of Rage isn’t that great for Necromancer Dagger because the “auto-attack” chain only has cast time for the third hit, which in itself is 0.25s. The first two hits are instant and therefore not affected by Quickness.

It works, about same crit chance as yours and it procs pretty much often on my D/Wh build, usually once per fight or something like that.
Didn’t think about what Ojimaru said tho. I can’t really check if that’s absolutely true because of the randomness of the sigil and the already quick dagger stabs. It should work tho on the first 2 stabs, IIRC the second is in fact instant and the third stab’s got a longer stab… so you should anyway have a marginal quickness gain. Shouldn’t you?

Ojimaru.8970:

Sigil of Rage isn’t that great for Necromancer Dagger because the “auto-attack” chain only has cast time for the third hit, which in itself is 0.25s. The first two hits are instant and therefore not affected by Quickness.

Quickness speeds up everything. The “cast time” for the first 2 strikes is the animation and quickness speeds up the animation. It really increases DPS on the #1 attack for those 3s.

The problem is that Sigil of Rage is on a 45s(iirc) internal cooldown, during which no other on crit sigil can proc. So you have to weigh 3s every 45s vs 1k-1.2k every 5s for air. If sigil of air procs every 5s you can get a max of 9 procs or 9k-10.8k. Rage on the other hand makes you twice as fast. So if you’re normal 3 hit chain totals at 4k in 2s, you’ll get a boost of 6k. Basically in order to match sigil of air you need to be doing 6k every 2s in order for the rage proc to bring you to 9k. All of this assumes you proc Rage every 45s but with a 10% chance that’s not going to happen.

Of course there is also the flip side! The sigil of rage will give you a burst of damage vs Airs steady damage. Rage can give you an extra 6k in 3s vs Airs 1.2k in 5s. At that point it comes down to how you’re specced. If you think you’re going to live long enough to proc Air 6 times(30s) then that’s probably the better choice. However if you’re looking to burst or die then rage might be better. I’ve used Rage on my thief and when it procs things melt, but now I’ve gone with Sigil of Strength and a more survivable build.

The problem with Rage, it procs from any attack/skills. If for example you pop Locust Swarm, it crits on a rabbit that you passed by and Rage procced, you’re down for 45 sec and your “burst” is wasted.

It does melt things with dagger #1 when it proc and you’re on target, but I agree that Air/Fire provides a cheaper and better sustain/burst.

The other problem of a 45 sec cooldown sigil, you’re stuck with no other sigils proccing for that long.

Sigil with Weapons swaps also shared a cooldown with those Proc sigil. Normaly after a proc, weapon swapping won’t take effect, so another waste if you do use those.

I use it and at times it can proc when u don’t want it to like on life drain. But can also get off quickness stomps with it as well which ppl never suspect from a necro. Heres a link of it in use i set the video to start right when its about to happen.

http://youtu.be/BcrxNaBTp1Y?t=2m52s

I think sigil of rage works very well with daggers for pvp but you have to be mindful of the CD and manage it with your weapon swaps. You can’t really compare it to averages over X amount of time because you’re not going to be staying in daggers 100% of the time. So long as you’re mindful of the CD on rage (and only have sigils with passive effects on your other weapon sets of course) and only swap to daggers when your burst cooldowns are up everything works out just fine and it procs all the time during my burst. Helps a lot with stomps too. It’s also one of the reasons why I’m such a big fan of Unyielding Blast (Life Blast piercing trait) since it allows me to dish out AoE damage from range in teamfights inbetween my burst cooldowns.

For a frame of reference the ICD for rage is also 45s which aligns nicely with your immobilize (25s) so that you can have it up every other time you spike.

Quickness speeds up everything. The “cast time” for the first 2 strikes is the animation and quickness speeds up the animation. It really increases DPS on the #1 attack for those 3s.

I can’t agree with that, especially after going through subcrazy’s video. There are scant few moments when Sigil of Rage triggers and most often he only gets one chain in, but there is no difference between Chain hits #1 and #2 with or without Quickness.

Ojimaru.8970:

Quickness speeds up everything. The “cast time” for the first 2 strikes is the animation and quickness speeds up the animation. It really increases DPS on the #1 attack for those 3s.

I can’t agree with that, especially after going through subcrazy’s video. There are scant few moments when Sigil of Rage triggers and most often he only gets one chain in, but there is no difference between Chain hits #1 and #2 with or without Quickness.

Sorry, I’ve used Sigil of Rage myself before and it speeds up the #1 and #2. It speeds up all attacking and casting animations, it doesn’t matter if they have a cast bar or not.

It happens rather blatently in subcrazy’s video at the time he linked it (2m 52s), watch how quickly the dagger 1 icon on the action bar switches through the pictures just before the quickness stomp.

Ojimaru.8970:

Quickness speeds up everything. The “cast time” for the first 2 strikes is the animation and quickness speeds up the animation. It really increases DPS on the #1 attack for those 3s.

I can’t agree with that, especially after going through subcrazy’s video. There are scant few moments when Sigil of Rage triggers and most often he only gets one chain in, but there is no difference between Chain hits #1 and #2 with or without Quickness.

While I haven’t specifically tested the speed of each individial attack chain, the DPS (which is the only thing that really matters) is night and day w/ and w/o quickness. I suspect what you may be seeing is that quickness might be causing some de-syncing between animation and damage dealt (e.g. quickness stomps) so it may appear the same animation-wise but DPS-wise the difference is still there.

Yep it works on everything and if the stars align, I think I can get off 2 full chains of dagger1 or at least it looks that way in some other fights when i try to watch for it.