extra dodges, real stability, mobility skills,
burst skills, sustain, or good support. GG ANET.
Pretty big for pvp. If you can stay in DS for 10 seconds, this means you’ll be able to proc 4 weapon sigils all at once.
#Geelieve
Eh… the sigils have 10 second cooldowns based on type. so no you can’t burst all 3 in a row.
I lost control over my own Sigils. Great.
Booo!
-_-
I lost control over my own Sigils. Great.
And you will regain control over a greater power in an hour. Bummer.
This is good for me. Very useful for energy sigils too because we lack dodges. Other instances too.
I lost control over my own Sigils. Great.
And you will regain control over a greater power in an hour. Bummer.
What greater power?
I have to change my sigils now because, like pierwola said, I lost control over my sigil cooldowns. And any replacement for one of my sigils will definitely make me weaker overall even if I occasionally get to proc the others more often.
Absolutely terrible change.
Well I hope it is now always 2 handed
I lost control over my own Sigils. Great.
And you will regain control over a greater power in an hour. Bummer.
What greater power?
I have to change my sigils now because, like pierwola said, I lost control over my sigil cooldowns. And any replacement for one of my sigils will definitely make me weaker overall even if I occasionally get to proc the others more often.
Absolutely terrible change.
Flow,
can you clear me up on what exactly do you lose?
Pvp related you gain so much more potential and combos that its a no brainer.
AI fighter mode im no expert, but the only thing youd lose is fury flashing control when in ranged. If its on the no offhand no mainhand build then a step away is the right direction.
I lost control over my own Sigils. Great.
And you will regain control over a greater power in an hour. Bummer.
What greater power?
I have to change my sigils now because, like pierwola said, I lost control over my sigil cooldowns. And any replacement for one of my sigils will definitely make me weaker overall even if I occasionally get to proc the others more often.
Absolutely terrible change.Flow,
can you clear me up on what exactly do you lose?Pvp related you gain so much more potential and combos that its a no brainer.
AI fighter mode im no expert, but the only thing youd lose is fury flashing control when in ranged. If its on the no offhand no mainhand build then a step away is the right direction.
You lose control over your proc timing if you use two of the same sigil on both weapon sets.
I’m not really sure why shroud needs to count as a weapon swap or rather why shroud and it’s abilities should be tied to a weapon in the first place.
This all seems like a bit of dodgy design.
Personally I think i’ll benefit from this design, because:
a) I didn’t always swap to a 2H before entering shroud
b) I’m not heavy into the sigil proc timing, so extra procs generally benefit me.
But I can see how this is a bummer for some people. No longer can you judge your sigil cooldowns by watching your weapon swap cooldown.
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I think this can be looked t as a small nerf, big buff. It will just take some getting used to, but it also means you don’t necessarily need 2 of the same sigils on your weapons, giving you much greater room for play. Plus with energy sigils, I see us being a lot tankier.
Love it gameplay and mentality wise.
Sounds like fun with a sigil of cleansing and shrouded removal. I rarely use staff unless opponents have stealth or keep insane range as it absolutely sucks having to kite with the thing till you can switch back.
Love the change. It now makes it much more possible to proc sigils while still using shroud, whereas before any kind of shroud use would completely destroy your sigil use. The timing takes a bit to get used to but it isn’t too bad, and it allows you to proc swaps without forcing yourself onto a bad weapon set, as well as having two different set of sigils, while still proccing either set at max.
so far I’m enjoying it, abusing sigil of hydromancy like a madman.
As Nyth.3492 said, shroud skills power tied to currently active (main hand?) weapon is just silly. Though the argument against it being lack of control, of the weapon swap proccing sigils, is a specific and peripheral case, in my opinion.
But also, if weapon swapping into my “third weapon” activates sigils, then I want to put my own sigil on my “third weapon”. (that isn’t classed as a trait).
If you liked it, then you shoulda put a sigil on it.
The Sigil of Renewal (PvP) doesn’t work with shroud. Is it a bug or feature?
EDIT: Oh, and Sigil of Speed too.
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Love the change. It now makes it much more possible to proc sigils while still using shroud, whereas before any kind of shroud use would completely destroy your sigil use. The timing takes a bit to get used to but it isn’t too bad, and it allows you to proc swaps without forcing yourself onto a bad weapon set, as well as having two different set of sigils, while still proccing either set at max.
Can you tell me how you want to time hydromancy sigil with gap closer skill, or 9 sec CD from sigils with Speed of Shadow trait ? This change is stupid and unnecessary.
I need an answers. Why did you put something like that in the game ?
I lost control over my own Sigils. Great.
Can you tell me how you want to time hydromancy sigil with gap closer skill, or 9 sec CD from sigils with Speed of Shadow trait ? This change is stupid and unnecessary.
If Engi, Ele, and Warrior have all figured out how to use sigils, I think we can too.
Bhawb, put it nicely. Learn to Play, not that hard to control. Certainly not as involved as the soldier engi build.
Bhawb, put it nicely. Learn to Play, not that hard to control. Certainly not as involved as the soldier engi build.
I will not listen to him, he just compared Death Shroud to Warrior weapon swap.
And stop with that “Learn to Play” thing, it has nothing to do with this case.
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I will not listen to him, he just compared Death Shroud to Warrior weapon swap.
No I didn’t, I pointed out there are multiple other professions who manage to use swap sigils while having non-standard swapping mechanics.
If Engi, Ele, and Warrior have all figured out how to use sigils, I think we can too.
It doesn’t make sense if you don’t try to campare these things to Death Shroud, at least not in my language.
Loving this change. Superior sigil of speed (agility) pop in RS for a quick 5.
Still have to test this properly, but if DS/RS count as a weapon swap, there’s potential that they have the same dodge-cancelling effect as when you swap weapons mid dodge. I’ll test this tonight, fingers crossed. If entering or leaving shroud cancels your dodge many-a-capillary in eye will burst.
Loving this change. Superior sigil of speed (agility) pop in RS for a quick 5.
This is what I like to hear.
It’s good for pvp, but can be annoying in pve.
I think this change helps more than hurts though.
Loving this change. Superior sigil of speed (agility) pop in RS for a quick 5.
^ Gets it.
Loving this change. Superior sigil of speed (agility) pop in RS for a quick 5.
^ Gets it.
Could you explain it to me? (sorry)
Sigil of Speed: Grants 10s / 14s / 20s of Swiftness on kill
Loving this change. Superior sigil of speed (agility) pop in RS for a quick 5.
^ Gets it.
Could you explain it to me? (sorry)
Sigil of Speed: Grants 10s / 14s / 20s of Swiftness on kill
It now grants Swiftness and Quickness on swap. Im using it with Chrono runes on a Well build.
It’s good for pvp, but can be annoying in pve.
I think this change helps more than hurts though.
No, it’s good for players who don’t like to swap weapon, and Bad for those who like to swap weapon.
For me, this change means longer cooldown on Sigils (speed of shadow), and Sigils proc on half of my build (weapon swap, stun break, stability, gap closer, weakness, AoE heal, instant Fear and transfusion).
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I use only on-swap sigils, and you’d have to go out of your way to make proccing slower. Its a good point that you lose some control over the swap procs, but you will absolutely proc them more often.
Loving this change. Superior sigil of speed (agility) pop in RS for a quick 5.
^ Gets it.
Could you explain it to me? (sorry)
Sigil of Speed: Grants 10s / 14s / 20s of Swiftness on kill
This one is…tricky. If you go to PvP there is now a new unlockable sigil called Superior sigil of speed. It gives Swiftness and Quickness on weapon swap. Completely broken, I know.
It gets confusing because Gaile Gray said that it has been renamed to Sigil of Agility. How they got this wrong in the first place confounds me.
It gets even more confusing because she said it was renamed as part of an item scribes can make, and I have no way of checking because I can’t get scribe yet.
Loving this change. Superior sigil of speed (agility) pop in RS for a quick 5.
^ Gets it.
Could you explain it to me? (sorry)
Sigil of Speed: Grants 10s / 14s / 20s of Swiftness on kill
This one is…tricky. If you go to PvP there is now a new unlockable sigil called Superior sigil of speed. It gives Swiftness and Quickness on weapon swap. Completely broken, I know.
It gets confusing because Gaile Gray said that it has been renamed to Sigil of Agility. How they got this wrong in the first place confounds me.
It gets even more confusing because she said it was renamed as part of an item scribes can make, and I have no way of checking because I can’t get scribe yet.
I wouldn’t say it’s OP, it’s 1 second of Quickness.
I use only on-swap sigils, and you’d have to go out of your way to make proccing slower. Its a good point that you lose some control over the swap procs, but you will absolutely proc them more often.
So it’s my fault, good to know… . I’m out.
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