Guild Wars 2

Need less to say.

Let me work with something balance team… please. If intended this was a plain nerf to necros!

Use minions. Is there another forum for non English speaking individuals?

NeXeD.3042:

Use minions. Is there another forum for non English speaking individuals?

That’s what he’s talking about. Apparently you can’t kill minions at the start anymore.

It sucks, BUT, it gives anet a change to improve things.

Maybe they re-balance the profession so it is not as dependent on Life Force, or maybe Life Force should always start at 20% when you rezz/spawn.

Either way, let’s just hope Necro gets looked at

Fuchs, just follow my lead and uninstall.

Serdoc.7261:

It sucks, BUT, it gives anet a change to improve things.

Maybe they re-balance the profession so it is not as dependent on Life Force, or maybe Life Force should always start at 20% when you rezz/spawn.

Either way, let’s just hope Necro gets looked at

Ha, sorry but I highly doubt it. The most anet has done for us is allow us to perform actions in deathshroud, and they still haven’t fixed minions dying when you go down or change level if you have flesh of the master, plus minions not attacking (granted, the last is an ai bug which could screw up the whole game if not handled delicately). Life siphons are still pitiful, dhuumfire got walled off behind life blast, and to help our sustain, they added one second to SoV active and shave 10 seconds off of spectral armor’s cool down.

Long story short, I don’t look to get much if anything from a-net regarding necros other than marginal buffs, and bug fixes that only hurt us.

leman.7682:

Fuchs, just follow my lead and uninstall.

But man, the LS updates you miss out on :O

TheLastNobody.8319:

Serdoc.7261:

It sucks, BUT, it gives anet a change to improve things.

Maybe they re-balance the profession so it is not as dependent on Life Force, or maybe Life Force should always start at 20% when you rezz/spawn.

Either way, let’s just hope Necro gets looked at

Ha, sorry but I highly doubt it. The most anet has done for us is allow us to perform actions in deathshroud, and they still haven’t fixed minions dying when you go down or change level if you have flesh of the master, plus minions not attacking (granted, the last is an ai bug which could screw up the whole game if not handled delicately). Life siphons are still pitiful, dhuumfire got walled off behind life blast, and to help our sustain, they added one second to SoV active and shave 10 seconds off of spectral armor’s cool down.

Long story short, I don’t look to u to get much if anything from a-net regarding necros other than marginal buffs, and bug fixes that only hurt us.

So negative :P

Serdoc.7261:

So negative :P

Yes…I used to be positive, and then the September Feature Pack struck.

So I’m totally on board with the whole healing in deathshroud thing now….

To be quite honest, it’s not the end of the line, at least for condition Necromancer. You can live with it if you rotate properly and avoid getting focused too much.

Power is heavily wounded.

I was actually thinking the opposite, since the new no more re entering death shroud upon letting it manually exit I almost never find I’m lacking in ds on power builds while condi builds still suffer from poor lf regen. So that extra but of lf at the beginning really helped.

Just…
http://youtu.be/sap2hfA-pHg?t=2m18s

NeXeD.3042:

I was actually thinking the opposite, since the new no more re entering death shroud upon letting it manually exit I almost never find I’m lacking in ds on power builds while condi builds still suffer from poor lf regen. So that extra but of lf at the beginning really helped.

I guess it depends on your playstyle.

I tend to play very agressive, quick power builds and when I’m playing Terror condi my gameplay shifts to very steady fighting, when I use staff a lot and FoC after Dark Paths etc.

Maybe it’s because I’ve been playing glassy, quick power build almost exclusively for over 1 year and to do anything I had to learn how to balance between shroud and health….

The power builds I play are also glassy, still have a much easier time building lf on them… but I almost always have staff and soul marks on a power build.

NeXeD.3042:

Use minions. Is there another forum for non English speaking individuals?

Thank you for your heart warming reply to my totally legit post!

Regarding the latest nerf’s (unintentional or intentional) to necro i am expecting that the necro community will bring this topic to the balance team asap.
I am playing with different very competitive teams and it is clear that necro needs love!
This it the time to make necro what it should be by design.

Cheers,
Fuchs

I think its a bigger nerf than the dhuumfire change to be honest. No spike at the start of the game and sometimes you will never get life force the whole game. Necro is a snowball class.

Nacht Fuchs.3762:

NeXeD.3042:

Use minions. Is there another forum for non English speaking individuals?

Thank you for your heart warming reply to my totally legit post!

Regarding the latest nerf’s (unintentional or intentional) to necro i am expecting that the necro community will bring this topic to the balance team asap.
I am playing with different very competitive teams and it is clear that necro needs love!
This it the time to make necro what it should be by design.

Cheers,
Fuchs

Excuse my ignorance I had no idea the new patch did this as you were on the first to notice, and I was genuinely curious about non english forum.

I have added spectral attunement to my build – use spectral walk in the start of team fight rush into center of action get beat up a bit and port back out – lots of LF

I suspect most necros will be voting for Khylo from now on.
Next patch: life force generation on boxes is no longer possible.

Don’t jinx it mate :/

Oslaf Beinir.5842:

Don’t jinx it mate :/

Don’t be silly. They can’t stop us from getting life force from the windows and treb

well we probably shouldn’t get lifeforce from inanimate objects NERF INCOMING!

Meh, stealing lifeforce away from sentient beings is already too confusing… Time to remove Lifeforce gain everywhere

fixed a bug with necros that allowed them access to a second lifebar.

:( < at everything Anet does for us necro’s… except interact in DS, that was really nice to finally have

NeXeD.3042:

fixed a bug with necros that allowed them access to a second lifebar.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this actually happened -_-

Solution: place 2 little white bugs in both bases so that they can be killed before the match starts.

Ohh, and Anet, by ‘bugs’ I mean creatures, not your usual bugs.

flow.6043:

I suspect most necros will be voting for Khylo from now on.
Next patch: life force generation on boxes is no longer possible.

Flow you spoiled it

I vote Khylo for other reasons.

-Fixed a bug which made Necros playable.
All good now. We’re back on track. We don’t want those kitteners doing sPvP, keep em in PvE. Oh… wait.
Just kidding. Really though… one Necro managed to get into a top team / team that gets a lot of coverage and all of the sudden bam, nerf. So what do we have so far….“Unintended function” 1, bam, nerf. “unintended” function 2", bam, nerf. , 3 nerf, 4 nerf, 5 nerf and 6 nerf. Please, moar!

Honestly, this was either
a) an accidental nerf or
b) We will be getting some sort of sustain buff soon
because if it’s not a, and it’s not b… then… it’s … c?
A Necro right now: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbduucjZIk1qjnnc9o1_250.gif
Anet: http://i.imgur.com/7gkCf4E.gif

leman.7682:

Solution: place 2 little white bugs in both bases so that they can be killed before the match starts.

Ohh, and Anet, by ‘bugs’ I mean creatures, not your usual bugs.

This can be a good fix in my opinion. The only problem with this is that the ambients would give you up to 13% life force per creature. So that’s 26% from the two ambients. Then if if you used your staff it would be another potential 8.8% (4.4% + 4.4%). So you’d get a nice 34.8% life force just from the two ambients. I don’t object to that at all, but it would be more than what we had with the minion sacrifice. If you used Spectral Grasp (if it workes on ambients?) that’s 16.5% life force (or 22% with Spectral Attunement)… which adds up to……… 17.4% (staff auto: 4.4% with gluttony, 13% from death because of gluttony and death magic minor) from one ambient, 13%+16.5% from the other… 47% life force or 52.4% with Spectral Attunement. So if it worked with Spectral Grasp… that would be pretty huge. Not that you’d be taking Spectral Grasp, but anyway.
….Having only one ambient would give us up to 17.4% (staff auto, Gluttony trait, Death magic minor) up to 39.4% (spectral grasp, gluttony, spectral attunement) which imo is nice too and could possibly work, maybe. But did we REALLY have such HUGEEEE, OVERWHELMING life force regen that the little trick had to be removed? -_-

Edited because I forgot the death magic minor (20% more life force from deaths which added an additional 2% life force regen from each ambient).

Serdoc.7261:

TheLastNobody.8319:

Serdoc.7261:

It sucks, BUT, it gives anet a change to improve things.

Maybe they re-balance the profession so it is not as dependent on Life Force, or maybe Life Force should always start at 20% when you rezz/spawn.

Either way, let’s just hope Necro gets looked at

Ha, sorry but I highly doubt it. The most anet has done for us is allow us to perform actions in deathshroud, and they still haven’t fixed minions dying when you go down or change level if you have flesh of the master, plus minions not attacking (granted, the last is an ai bug which could screw up the whole game if not handled delicately). Life siphons are still pitiful, dhuumfire got walled off behind life blast, and to help our sustain, they added one second to SoV active and shave 10 seconds off of spectral armor’s cool down.

Long story short, I don’t look to u to get much if anything from a-net regarding necros other than marginal buffs, and bug fixes that only hurt us.

So negative :P

negative but true =\

I literally was about to post that i am surprised no one complained about this yet….but then i found this thread haha. We will be fine though guys. I promise.

edit- though id still be willing to trade some stuff for better lifeforce generation tools.

Infect.2738:

I literally was about to post that i am surprised no one complained about this yet….but then i found this thread haha. We will be fine though guys. I promise.

edit- though id still be willing to trade some stuff for better lifeforce generation tools.

Unless you have some magic prediction powers, i don’t believe we will be fine.

Indeed i think that noone who aims for top competitiveness will take a necro over any other class in his roster. Not in this state of balance atleast.

I agree that the 0 lifeforce start is fine if we will be compensated by better overall LF generation or by regen etc. working in DS.

BTW sorry for being off topic here. I believe the skill Unholy Feast of axe is bugged and does not remove a boon. When you fix this skill anet make it that not only the boon is removed but that the necro recieves every removed boon from this skill.

I dont believe any class should have to go through so much trouble just to use their class mechanic.

And they certainly shouldnt be punished further for using it (no heals).

Guys, I can tell you for a fact, that all this (combined with over 2 years of necro’s total relative uselessness in PvE) is a preparation before the expansion when necro’s going to get all-new goodies and become competitve in all the game modes. Trust me.

We need another 5 years before that though.

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Anet will nerf us in secret again. They will act all clever about giving us 20% LF at the start of the game and people will stop complaining. This is still a nerf though as previously we got 39% life force. So they SHOULD give us that if its not a nerf. They won’t though :P

Lordrosicky.5813:

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Anet will nerf us in secret again. They will act all clever about giving us 20% LF at the start of the game and people will stop complaining. This is still a nerf though as previously we got 39% life force. So they SHOULD give us that if its not a nerf. They won’t though :P

It should be 20% ON RESPAWN , like we were saying for last years.

If its that much on every respawn, its more than worth it over 30-39% just on start. Remeber we want balanced games with some comeback potential, not unstopable snowballs.

Flumek.9043:

Lordrosicky.5813:

Bookmark this:

Anet will nerf us in secret again. They will act all clever about giving us 20% LF at the start of the game and people will stop complaining. This is still a nerf though as previously we got 39% life force. So they SHOULD give us that if its not a nerf. They won’t though :P

It should be 20% ON RESPAWN , like we were saying for last years.

If its that much on every respawn, its more than worth it over 30-39% just on start. Remeber we want balanced games with some comeback potential, not unstopable snowballs.

Then it would need to be 30% every respawn as 20% every respawn is a pretty huge nerf based on the fact it is common to spawn with way way more LF than that.