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Posted by: Zoltreez.6435

Zoltreez.6435

Lead Devs be like:

YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis
and YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis
and YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis
and YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis
and YOU get infinite mobility/blocks/immunes/Invis

Sir ? what about necros ?

Dev: Whats a necro ? oh wait yeah yeah i remember now…. lets give them 180 vitality

Sir ? are you sure…

Dev: I SAID 180 VITALITY !!!!!

okay okay……..

Dev: oh btw Nerf Shroud for the lols

Eh for the lols… sir ?

Dev: FOR THE LOLS !!!!!

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Posted by: Zoltreez.6435

Zoltreez.6435

On a serious note… can we get blocks atleast ? as a bare minimum ? on some of our skills ? or something ? Mobility maybe ? so we can hit people with our melee abilities ?

would be nice if i actualy could do something againts the obvious Burst dmg that is coming in my way the moment i see any other class runing in my way…..

or something that helps us get away from people ? seems like everyone else can teleport/Jump/dodge/invis through half the zones if something goes bad except us…

also can we maybe just MAYBE not get anymore Nerfs on our ONLY existing Defense ?
you know… Shroud ? THE shroud that suppose to replace 4+ other defensive mechanics alone ?

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Posted by: Azzara Nectum.1734

Azzara Nectum.1734

I feel your pain … The only defense is shroud which is also our offensive burst (kinda)..
When you look teleport wise: there is the jungle wurm and a few secs on spectral walk to tp back…
Tried jungle wurm.. Never was able to teleport me properly, always pathing issues..
The spectral walk works well as a quick retreat but the cooldown is just bonkers.. 50sec? seriously? should be 20 without traiting for it

Meanwhile Guardian: lol, let’s leap and block and cleanse and pop invul
Meanwhile Warrior: lol, look at me gap close with sword or GS or bull’s charge or pop a few stances for blocks, invuls and stab
Meanwhile mesmer: lol, portals and blinks everywhere
Meanwhile Thief: lol, i’ll just go wherever the kitten I want and you can’t even see me doing it and if you i’ll just perma evade, whatever dude
etc etc etc

At least we have shroud 2 to gap close (as long as the opponent is on full cooldown with his mobility skills because the distance travelled with this skill is not enough)
Good thing that’s only on a 7sec cooldown…. owh… wait.. 10sec, it’s 10 sec now..

No matter how many posts in here or reddit or social media crap I feel Necro will forever be left behind… I hope not but it looks grimm..

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seriously the moment we get a Shield as elite spec it will be the Meta for all necro spec with no exception and all elite specs will die that was before it…

inb4 they don’t add a block ability on the necro shield in the future….

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Posted by: Vyrulisse.1246

Vyrulisse.1246

The Shroud excuse for why Necromancers can’t have nice things has always been a bit flimsy but with how fast players and enemies can spike you to hell now it’s completely a myth. Shroud will melt in an instant if you get focused and then what? You die.

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Posted by: Zoltreez.6435

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The Shroud excuse for why Necromancers can’t have nice things has always been a bit flimsy but with how fast players and enemies can spike you to hell now it’s completely a myth. Shroud will melt in an instant if you get focused and then what? You die.

the majority of classes that have burst can take down shroud in seconds after they jump on you…

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Posted by: Dadnir.5038

Dadnir.5038

Nope! devs be like :

Necro? They have infinite health and highest sustain in the game! If we give them block, evade or mobility other profession will find them unkillable. So this would be gamebreaking.

No core profession should be balanced around an optional elite specialization.

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Posted by: grave of hearts.7830

grave of hearts.7830

Nope! devs be like :

Necro? They have infinite health and highest sustain in the game! If we give them block, evade or mobility other profession will find them unkillable. So this would be gamebreaking.

Gs systain:base 200 and 260ish per sec with a relatively large investement to healing.
Ranger systain:360 per sec base with only requirement to have protection on.
Theres only 2 explanations on why anet balance is doing this.
Edit —->A:they are plainly mentaly logicaly and mathematicaly impaired
B:they are doing it on purpose
My money goes on A but they certainely wont come out to admit either.
Maybe we should call angryjoe again because the only time they ever did something to improve the class was when they got bad publicity.

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Posted by: felincyriac.5981

felincyriac.5981

Say it with me now p-p-purity of purpose.

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Posted by: SpellOfIniquity.1780

SpellOfIniquity.1780

Since no one seems to care, I’d like to thank ANet for the reworked Speed Of Shadows.

Has saved my ass countless times already and is already feeling like a mandatory trait in WvW. No more more getting perma-immob’d by Druids and no more getting Chilled/Crippled or Immobilized just before a zerg runs you over. The lengthy Swiftness is just the icing on the cake.

Love it and am thankful for the change.

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Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

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Posted by: Zoltreez.6435

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Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

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Posted by: Ramoth.9064

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Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

I find it hard to believe anything you say after your quip about not being able to land Gravedigger. Yes, the reaper has flaws. No, its not to the extent you describe it at. I’m sure you don’t play at ‘pro’ ranks and neither do the people you are up against, and in those situations the reaper is completely fine 1v1.

I don’t get babysat every game and I win at least half my 1v1 encounters.

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Posted by: Zoltreez.6435

Zoltreez.6435

Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

I find it hard to believe anything you say after your quip about not being able to land Gravedigger. Yes, the reaper has flaws. No, its not to the extent you describe it at. I’m sure you don’t play at ‘pro’ ranks and neither do the people you are up against, and in those situations the reaper is completely fine 1v1.

I don’t get babysat every game and I win at least half my 1v1 encounters.

go play in diamond then come back and say you landed a single gravedigger… or that necro is fine or that your winning your 1v1 encounters…

or hell just try to land anything againts good mesmers and thiefs hell even freaken warriors can just ignore and walk away from you with their better mobility even kitten Engis when you want to do anything usefull dmg wise on a power build….

yes its at the extend as im describing it…..
there is a reason necro is number one target…. because its kitten easy to shut it down.. kitten easy to avoid its attacks and kitten easy to take down….

and you think thats fine lol

our only single defense can be bursted down in seconds by a single good player that knows how to burst… then he can just stay away from you mostly and before that 10sec shroud comes off CD you are allready dead with the second burst he gonna do….

thats how most of the good players take a power necro out…. no ammount of Vitality or Toughness will counter it trust me in that…

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Posted by: Ramoth.9064

Ramoth.9064

Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

I find it hard to believe anything you say after your quip about not being able to land Gravedigger. Yes, the reaper has flaws. No, its not to the extent you describe it at. I’m sure you don’t play at ‘pro’ ranks and neither do the people you are up against, and in those situations the reaper is completely fine 1v1.

I don’t get babysat every game and I win at least half my 1v1 encounters.

go play in diamond then come back and say you landed a single gravedigger… or that necro is fine….

or hell just try to land anything againts good mesmers and thiefs hell even freaken warriors can just ignore and walk away from you with their better mobility even kitten Engis when you want to do anything usefull dmg wise on a power build….

yes its at the extend as im describing it…..
there is a reason necro is number one target…. because its kitten easy to shut it down.. kitten easy toa void its attacks and kitten easy to take down….

and you think thats fine lol

Are you actually diamond?

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Posted by: Zoltreez.6435

Zoltreez.6435

Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

I find it hard to believe anything you say after your quip about not being able to land Gravedigger. Yes, the reaper has flaws. No, its not to the extent you describe it at. I’m sure you don’t play at ‘pro’ ranks and neither do the people you are up against, and in those situations the reaper is completely fine 1v1.

I don’t get babysat every game and I win at least half my 1v1 encounters.

go play in diamond then come back and say you landed a single gravedigger… or that necro is fine….

or hell just try to land anything againts good mesmers and thiefs hell even freaken warriors can just ignore and walk away from you with their better mobility even kitten Engis when you want to do anything usefull dmg wise on a power build….

yes its at the extend as im describing it…..
there is a reason necro is number one target…. because its kitten easy to shut it down.. kitten easy toa void its attacks and kitten easy to take down….

and you think thats fine lol

Are you actually diamond?

was diamond… but i aint touching Spvp anymore till they either tone down other classes bloated kit or bring up power necro…. just no… it was a freaking nightmare i aint going through it again…. Necro as a class gets trolled kitten hard by other classes at that point…. its not even fun anymore lol….

and i aint going condi.. i HATE condi both animation and gameplay wise…
i down leveled myself to a WvW bot at this point… and just waiting for balance changes to happen to Power reaper…. until then Spvp does not even exist in my eyes on this class….

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Posted by: Ramoth.9064

Ramoth.9064

Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

I find it hard to believe anything you say after your quip about not being able to land Gravedigger. Yes, the reaper has flaws. No, its not to the extent you describe it at. I’m sure you don’t play at ‘pro’ ranks and neither do the people you are up against, and in those situations the reaper is completely fine 1v1.

I don’t get babysat every game and I win at least half my 1v1 encounters.

go play in diamond then come back and say you landed a single gravedigger… or that necro is fine….

or hell just try to land anything againts good mesmers and thiefs hell even freaken warriors can just ignore and walk away from you with their better mobility even kitten Engis when you want to do anything usefull dmg wise on a power build….

yes its at the extend as im describing it…..
there is a reason necro is number one target…. because its kitten easy to shut it down.. kitten easy toa void its attacks and kitten easy to take down….

and you think thats fine lol

Are you actually diamond?

was diamond… but i aint touching Spvp anymore till they either tone down other classes bloated kit or bring up power necro…. just no… it was a freaking nightmare i aint going through it again…. Necro as a class gets trolled kitten hard by other classes at that point…. its not even fun anymore lol….

I can actually agree that SPvP isn’t that fun, but thats in no part because of the necro.

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Posted by: Zoltreez.6435

Zoltreez.6435

Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

I find it hard to believe anything you say after your quip about not being able to land Gravedigger. Yes, the reaper has flaws. No, its not to the extent you describe it at. I’m sure you don’t play at ‘pro’ ranks and neither do the people you are up against, and in those situations the reaper is completely fine 1v1.

I don’t get babysat every game and I win at least half my 1v1 encounters.

go play in diamond then come back and say you landed a single gravedigger… or that necro is fine….

or hell just try to land anything againts good mesmers and thiefs hell even freaken warriors can just ignore and walk away from you with their better mobility even kitten Engis when you want to do anything usefull dmg wise on a power build….

yes its at the extend as im describing it…..
there is a reason necro is number one target…. because its kitten easy to shut it down.. kitten easy toa void its attacks and kitten easy to take down….

and you think thats fine lol

Are you actually diamond?

was diamond… but i aint touching Spvp anymore till they either tone down other classes bloated kit or bring up power necro…. just no… it was a freaking nightmare i aint going through it again…. Necro as a class gets trolled kitten hard by other classes at that point…. its not even fun anymore lol….

I can actually agree that SPvP isn’t that fun, but thats in no part because of the necro.

at that level people abuse their classes mobility like a madman on steroids….
and power Reaper you know the mostly melee Necro does not have mobility….

im either hitting someone with an Axe at range and hope they dont Dodge/immune or outrange Axe2…. or let the enemy dance me arround and only come it for the HIGH BURST while i desperatly trying to hit someone with my melee abilities….

you have a GS pull and a shroud leap and thats all and both is so slow and obivious animated that they both will get avoided majority of times…

so axe 1 and 2 left… yaaay for power necro…..

Devs designed a Melee class without mobility or enough tools to counter some of the burst atleast GZ for them…..

the only times Power reaper feels usefull in Spvp when your with your team and the enemy blown majority of their stuff in the fight THEN you can go on the point and release hell….. but allot of the time even then they still have enough mobility to stay away from the reaper like seriously….

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Posted by: Ramoth.9064

Ramoth.9064

Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

I find it hard to believe anything you say after your quip about not being able to land Gravedigger. Yes, the reaper has flaws. No, its not to the extent you describe it at. I’m sure you don’t play at ‘pro’ ranks and neither do the people you are up against, and in those situations the reaper is completely fine 1v1.

I don’t get babysat every game and I win at least half my 1v1 encounters.

go play in diamond then come back and say you landed a single gravedigger… or that necro is fine….

or hell just try to land anything againts good mesmers and thiefs hell even freaken warriors can just ignore and walk away from you with their better mobility even kitten Engis when you want to do anything usefull dmg wise on a power build….

yes its at the extend as im describing it…..
there is a reason necro is number one target…. because its kitten easy to shut it down.. kitten easy toa void its attacks and kitten easy to take down….

and you think thats fine lol

Are you actually diamond?

was diamond… but i aint touching Spvp anymore till they either tone down other classes bloated kit or bring up power necro…. just no… it was a freaking nightmare i aint going through it again…. Necro as a class gets trolled kitten hard by other classes at that point…. its not even fun anymore lol….

I can actually agree that SPvP isn’t that fun, but thats in no part because of the necro.

at that level people abuse their classes mobility like a madman on steroids….
and power Reaper you know the mostly melee Necro does not have mobility….

im either hitting someone with an Axe at range and hope they dont Dodge/immune or outrange Axe2…. or let the enemy dance me arround and only come it for the HIGH BURST while i desperatly trying to hit someone with my melee abilities….

you have a GS pull and a shroud leap and thats all and both is so slow and obivious animated that they both will get avoided majority of times…

so axe 1 and 2 left… yaaay for power necro…..

Devs designed a Melee class without mobility or enough tools to counter some of the burst atleast GZ for them…..

the only times Power reaper feels usefull in Spvp when your with your team and the enemy blown majority of their stuff in the fight THEN you can go on the point and release hell….. but allot of the time even then they still have enough mobility to stay away from the reaper like seriously….

I think SPvP is not fun because after 5 years it lacks too much infrastructure to support the team play dynamics. Sure, as a necro I get focused, but if I don’t I can easily wreck havoc, so its justifiable I’d get focused. I find the issue is that they dont have any basic tools for you to communicate to your team, basic tools that GW1 had, and that just makes it frustrating.

I’d take infrastructure updates to necro buffs anyday. I can always abandon playing necro altogether. But that said, I play 6 of the 9 classes regularly.

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Posted by: dceptaconroy.7928

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the only times Power reaper feels usefull in Spvp when your with your team and the enemy blown majority of their stuff in the fight THEN you can go on the point and release hell.

Thats it mate thats my set of tactics right there. I come in all chest puffed out when everyones half health and depleted… feelsgood

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Posted by: Zoltreez.6435

Zoltreez.6435

the only times Power reaper feels usefull in Spvp when your with your team and the enemy blown majority of their stuff in the fight THEN you can go on the point and release hell.

Thats it mate thats my set of tactics right there. I come in all chest puffed out when everyones half health and depleted… feelsgood

only way to play a power reaper at high ranks sadly x.x or you get OUT utilitied by other classes…

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Posted by: Jinn Galen.2468

Jinn Galen.2468

Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

You talking about sPvP? Because it feels like a moba to me. Smite comes to mind. Anyway, not playing the other 8 classes is like wasting content.

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Posted by: Zenith.7301

Zenith.7301

Why play a class if its bad for the content you want to play? There are 8 other classes to choose from. When it comes to wvw raid time I choose to play reaper because its so good. When I occasionally feel like playing spvp I choose reaper because its so good.

Fun and Theme of the class…. we are not playing a kitten moba here you know….

Reaper only good in spvp if its babysitted…

I find it hard to believe anything you say after your quip about not being able to land Gravedigger. Yes, the reaper has flaws. No, its not to the extent you describe it at. I’m sure you don’t play at ‘pro’ ranks and neither do the people you are up against, and in those situations the reaper is completely fine 1v1.

I don’t get babysat every game and I win at least half my 1v1 encounters.

go play in diamond then come back and say you landed a single gravedigger… or that necro is fine….

or hell just try to land anything againts good mesmers and thiefs hell even freaken warriors can just ignore and walk away from you with their better mobility even kitten Engis when you want to do anything usefull dmg wise on a power build….

yes its at the extend as im describing it…..
there is a reason necro is number one target…. because its kitten easy to shut it down.. kitten easy toa void its attacks and kitten easy to take down….

and you think thats fine lol

Are you actually diamond?

was diamond… but i aint touching Spvp anymore till they either tone down other classes bloated kit or bring up power necro…. just no… it was a freaking nightmare i aint going through it again…. Necro as a class gets trolled kitten hard by other classes at that point…. its not even fun anymore lol….

I can actually agree that SPvP isn’t that fun, but thats in no part because of the necro.

at that level people abuse their classes mobility like a madman on steroids….
and power Reaper you know the mostly melee Necro does not have mobility….

im either hitting someone with an Axe at range and hope they dont Dodge/immune or outrange Axe2…. or let the enemy dance me arround and only come it for the HIGH BURST while i desperatly trying to hit someone with my melee abilities….

you have a GS pull and a shroud leap and thats all and both is so slow and obivious animated that they both will get avoided majority of times…

so axe 1 and 2 left… yaaay for power necro…..

Devs designed a Melee class without mobility or enough tools to counter some of the burst atleast GZ for them…..

the only times Power reaper feels usefull in Spvp when your with your team and the enemy blown majority of their stuff in the fight THEN you can go on the point and release hell….. but allot of the time even then they still have enough mobility to stay away from the reaper like seriously….

I think SPvP is not fun because after 5 years it lacks too much infrastructure to support the team play dynamics. Sure, as a necro I get focused, but if I don’t I can easily wreck havoc, so its justifiable I’d get focused. I find the issue is that they dont have any basic tools for you to communicate to your team, basic tools that GW1 had, and that just makes it frustrating.

I’d take infrastructure updates to necro buffs anyday. I can always abandon playing necro altogether. But that said, I play 6 of the 9 classes regularly.

Any DPS spec when not focused wreaks havoc.

You let a mesmer or ele freecast on people and see what happens.

Issue is people can actually shut you down as necro, so they do it.

Necro needs to have a mechanic where the more damage/closer to death it gets, either they get tougher or do more damage so training the necro carries real risk of retaliation.

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Posted by: Vitali.5039

Vitali.5039

In spvp usually I join fights when foes have already start fighting to “safely” support my mates (blood magic) and they depend on me like I depend on them.

I really enjoy fight when I have a good thief cause I can ask for stealth while passing across me in his rotation (very helpful for ressing and repositioning).

Boonstrip, heal, ress and cleanse on shout: i’m more helpful for my team running a power support build with blood magic than running spite or curses, greatsword traited to have a poors man blighter boons (running reaper’s onslaught) along with Axe/WH gives me enough blinds/boon corrupt/life force generation to not die easily if focussed.

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Posted by: Zoltreez.6435

Zoltreez.6435

In spvp usually I join fights when foes have already start fighting to “safely” support my mates (blood magic) and they depend on me like I depend on them.

I really enjoy fight when I have a good thief cause I can ask for stealth while passing across me in his rotation (very helpful for ressing and repositioning).

Boonstrip, heal, ress and cleanse on shout: i’m more helpful for my team running a power support build with blood magic than running spite or curses, greatsword traited to have a poors man blighter boons (running reaper’s onslaught) along with Axe/WH gives me enough blinds/boon corrupt/life force generation to not die easily if focussed.

so:

babysitted
tanky build
and not killing anything
and joining fights where your enemies allready used majority of their burst and Utilities….

if all this is needed to not get focused down in seconds then the class has issues dont you think ?…

meanwhile most other classes running glass cannons more tankier then you Faster then you with more boons then you with more utility and with smart play can almost instantly take down others….

yaaaaaay Balance……

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Posted by: Vitali.5039

Vitali.5039

In spvp usually I join fights when foes have already start fighting to “safely” support my mates (blood magic) and they depend on me like I depend on them.

I really enjoy fight when I have a good thief cause I can ask for stealth while passing across me in his rotation (very helpful for ressing and repositioning).

Boonstrip, heal, ress and cleanse on shout: i’m more helpful for my team running a power support build with blood magic than running spite or curses, greatsword traited to have a poors man blighter boons (running reaper’s onslaught) along with Axe/WH gives me enough blinds/boon corrupt/life force generation to not die easily if focussed.

so:

babysitted
tanky build
and not killing anything
and joining fights where your enemies allready used majority of their burst and Utilities….

if all this is needed to not get focused down in seconds then the class has issues dont you think ?…

meanwhile most other classes running glass cannons more tankier then you Faster then you with more boons then you with more utility and with smart play can almost instantly take down others….

yaaaaaay Balance……

Really I usually babysit others (but this isn’t only on necro), tanky build it’s necessary for every support class, usually I’ve not trouble 1vs1 if not when starting with very very low life force or if the duellist it’s very skilled, I offer great fight group presence and I can secure stomps. Waiting foes to waste CDs on people who can block it’s just being smart.

GS and Soul Reaping alone can help to survive focus.

I’m not saying that the class it’s fine as it’s now and that others class can’t kill you near istantly (if maybe catch you by surprize), but usually you can manage others boons pretty easily and react to others burst. We have the tools to do it even if not as good as others class.

Of course you’ll have to play a build that let you do it, not the Itotallydependonourelementalistwhocaresaboutselfsurvivalionlyhavetocorrupt metabattles build.

Said so, if we could have a real useful teleport skill or at least a defensive ability other than blind or movement imparing to try to “kite” in a weapon set it could be very helpful for the class. But it should be avaiable for core necromancer, not tied to e-spec.

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At least it sort of seems like the devs at least tried with Scourge…
You should see what the poor rev’s are getting.

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Posted by: Dadnir.5038

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At least it sort of seems like the devs at least tried with Scourge…
You should see what the poor rev’s are getting.

Renegade is a good joke, I can’t even believe that they dared to take the racial skills (that revenants can’t take) and put them altogether into an elite spec.

No core profession should be balanced around an optional elite specialization.

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Posted by: Drarnor Kunoram.5180

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Don’t Renegade and Scourge have the same developer?

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Posted by: Lahmia.2193

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At least it sort of seems like the devs at least tried with Scourge…
You should see what the poor rev’s are getting.

Meh. As it was with Reaper, I only care about the weapon Renegade grants.

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Question to you guys:Is condi gonna be king stat? or vitality now?

If scourge uses vitality for shield then we will be forced to have vitality for shield right?

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Question to you guys:Is condi gonna be king stat? or vitality now?

If scourge uses vitality for shield then we will be forced to have vitality for shield right?

I’m not sure what part vitality plays for barrier/shield but the current formula is (0.75 * Healing Power) + Base Barrier Value from Skill according to wiki. So it seems heal power would be a better investment.

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If necros have to take healing and forego all expertise then i imagine only reason for that is a bunker necro tank healer hybrid type?

We might actually be tanky enough to tank fractals maybe? hmm interesting idea.Or we might simply be a tanky support class who can debuff buff and heal.

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Question to you guys:Is condi gonna be king stat? or vitality now?

If scourge uses vitality for shield then we will be forced to have vitality for shield right?

I’m not sure what part vitality plays for barrier/shield but the current formula is (0.75 * Healing Power) + Base Barrier Value from Skill according to wiki. So it seems heal power would be a better investment.

Each source of barrier has its own healing power scaling.

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Question to you guys:Is condi gonna be king stat? or vitality now?

If scourge uses vitality for shield then we will be forced to have vitality for shield right?

I’m not sure what part vitality plays for barrier/shield but the current formula is (0.75 * Healing Power) + Base Barrier Value from Skill according to wiki. So it seems heal power would be a better investment.

Each source of barrier has its own healing power scaling.

Fair enough. Have you any knowledge on what vitality does for it?

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Question to you guys:Is condi gonna be king stat? or vitality now?

If scourge uses vitality for shield then we will be forced to have vitality for shield right?

I’m not sure what part vitality plays for barrier/shield but the current formula is (0.75 * Healing Power) + Base Barrier Value from Skill according to wiki. So it seems heal power would be a better investment.

Each source of barrier has its own healing power scaling.

Fair enough. Have you any knowledge on what vitality does for it?

Yes. There is a cap on how much barrier you can have at once equal to half your max health. So, increase your max health, and you can receive more barrier.

Not so important for the Scourge, though, since with no Vitality investment, you will have a cap of over 9k.

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Question to you guys:Is condi gonna be king stat? or vitality now?

If scourge uses vitality for shield then we will be forced to have vitality for shield right?

I’m not sure what part vitality plays for barrier/shield but the current formula is (0.75 * Healing Power) + Base Barrier Value from Skill according to wiki. So it seems heal power would be a better investment.

Each source of barrier has its own healing power scaling.

Fair enough. Have you any knowledge on what vitality does for it?

Yes. There is a cap on how much barrier you can have at once equal to half your max health. So, increase your max health, and you can receive more barrier.

Not so important for the Scourge, though, since with no Vitality investment, you will have a cap of over 9k.

Ah, do you know if it stacks with itself too?

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Its sadly true that other classes are rather overbloated. I cant think of many ele skills that do just “one thing” on its own, despite ele having much more skills to begin with. I mean the shade skills for example, you have a skill doing JUST a barrier. Another skill that does JUST a fear, and a third one that JUST cures conditions. The F1 does nothing on its own. Also the Utility skills are soooo boring.. i mean leaving a trail that gives speed and burning? A skill that does nothing but gives a bit of might and lifeforce? Either its just me, or these skills have a lot of wasted potential compared to other classes.. i dont know if they value the “corrupt a boon into cripple and torment” so high but man. That feels SO wasted. I know Scourge has a higher target cap with the shade skills, but come on.. we loose our entire deathshroud for these 5 skills.. they feel lackluster. The utilities feel lackluster too. Its like WTF?

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Its sadly true that other classes are rather overbloated. I cant think of many ele skills that do just “one thing” on its own, despite ele having much more skills to begin with. I mean the shade skills for example, you have a skill doing JUST a barrier. Another skill that does JUST a fear, and a third one that JUST cures conditions. The F1 does nothing on its own. Also the Utility skills are soooo boring.. i mean leaving a trail that gives speed and burning? A skill that does nothing but gives a bit of might and lifeforce? Either its just me, or these skills have a lot of wasted potential compared to other classes.. i dont know if they value the “corrupt a boon into cripple and torment” so high but man. That feels SO wasted. I know Scourge has a higher target cap with the shade skills, but come on.. we loose our entire deathshroud for these 5 skills.. they feel lackluster. The utilities feel lackluster too. Its like WTF?

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what im laughing the most tough is that the Necros new Elites spec do not fix ANYTHING on the Necro XDDD

its like devs totaly ignoring the Necro Player base XD still no Block/immune/Invis/Mobility/evades or some realiable healing regen or something anything XD

they even removed the 15k-20k shroud and replaced it with like a 6k shield that scales horrible with healing powerand degenerate Ultra fast XDDDD sure you can stack it but Players will hit you way harder then you can stack it XD

im seriously just laughing at this now….

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Don’t Renegade and Scourge have the same developer?

Yes, Irenio.

Which explains why most of the crap is pvp focused gimmicks.

If you want a good PvE class you hope for Karl. Irenio and Robert Gee always design for PvP.

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Posted by: Lahmia.2193

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Don’t Renegade and Scourge have the same developer?

Yes, Irenio.

Which explains why most of the crap is pvp focused gimmicks.

If you want a good PvE class you hope for Karl. Irenio and Robert Gee always design for PvP.

Its very fun to observe the pve vs pvp mindset.

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Don’t Renegade and Scourge have the same developer?

Yes, Irenio.

Which explains why most of the crap is pvp focused gimmicks.

If you want a good PvE class you hope for Karl. Irenio and Robert Gee always design for PvP.

yet Necro is one of the worst PvP spec overall lol….

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Given Reaper is the best thing to ever happen to Necro in PvE, I’m not sold on Gee focusing purely on PvP.

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Given Reaper is the best thing to ever happen to Necro in PvE, I’m not sold on Gee focusing purely on PvP.

it was an accident… Reaper was designed for Power… and it sucks balls for PvE as DPS…

yet as condi dmg its one of the best…..

thats just an accident lol

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Given Reaper is the best thing to ever happen to Necro in PvE, I’m not sold on Gee focusing purely on PvP.

…..What?

Reaper was meant to be a power focused specialization with the greatsword and reaper shroud.

By accident due to how a grandmaster and shout works, what would have been a useless power build and weapon elite spec ended up being a slight upgrade over regular condi necromancer.

Reaper shroud is useless in PvE outside a condi reaper using the whirl, and greatsword is garbage. So are most of the shouts which have specific PvP centric functions as unblockable attacks are worthless in PvE and so are chills and boon corruption.

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as a necro the only answer you have Againts Anything is….

Stand there and Take it…..

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