Guild Wars 2

That trait is op as all hell. 1v1 an ele and since I’m condi necro he took no dmg from me at all. I can’t get him to less than 90% hp cuz all my skills are condis.

This is a ridiculous trait and should be changed. Maybe it should have a cd or something but something needs to be done.

Lich elite

15 char

Lich is easily avoidable by d/d ele and others, and has long cd

Or you could just have a 2nd set with…any other weapon?…Staff, Dagger, Axe, the lot, all do enough damage to take an ele out of 90%. 10% of an ele’s health is like, not even 2k.

Argon.1563:

Or you could just have a 2nd set with…any other weapon?…Staff, Dagger, Axe, the lot, all do enough damage to take an ele out of 90%. 10% of an ele’s health is like, not even 2k.

The issue is an ele isn’t going to sit around twiddling his thumbs. If you’re a condi build you just don’t have the direct damage to get through regen, water-attunement regen and healing, and healing-skill healing.

This trait, as has been said billions of times, is just badly made. It is either worthless because its impossible to keep up, or far too strong because it never goes down.

Bhawb.7408:

Argon.1563:

Or you could just have a 2nd set with…any other weapon?…Staff, Dagger, Axe, the lot, all do enough damage to take an ele out of 90%. 10% of an ele’s health is like, not even 2k.

The issue is an ele isn’t going to sit around twiddling his thumbs. If you’re a condi build you just don’t have the direct damage to get through regen, water-attunement regen and healing, and healing-skill healing.

This trait, as has been said billions of times, is just badly made. It is either worthless because its impossible to keep up, or far too strong because it never goes down.

This is why I feel it should have an internal cd or something. I don’t feel a class should be immune to some kind of dmg for an entire fight.

Btw, the ele I faced also had -40% condi duration food. That with diamond skin, all the regens and healing, plus zipping around while in d/d makes it impossible for a full condition dmg build to harm it.

I just don’t think it should exist, certainly not without a large rework. It is just too feast or famine, the trait isn’t even that good for eles to take except in very niche situations (like against full-condi necros).

Carrion gear will help in this situation.

Yamsandjams.3267:

Carrion gear will help in this situation.

this.
even rabid wouldnt be so bad with the precision increase.

sounds like youre using dire which diamond skin will absolutely hard counter.

I actually didn’t believe all the fuss about this trait until I came into OS the other day. I didn’t expect the ele to have it, but alas… she did.

It took her 5 hours to kill me, but she did, as I couldn’t break through it (with her heal signet). There’s a few things I think could work against this, but you’d have to actually spec to fight a diamond skin ele. I’d imagine sigil of Leeching, on top of Runes of Scavanger could deal enough direct damage for you to come in with poison or some condis. My thoughts would be to trigger the sigil and rune life steal, then pop into deathshroud for Doom (only if you have Terror) and Dark path, followed by more chain fears. It worked for me in sPvP, but the eles I fought weren’t that great.

That being said… 1v1 is 1v1. Depends how you play the game… but in small scale fights, like team-fights, I’d imagine a Diamond Skin ele might as well not even use that trait, as even the fly-by AoE will get her HP down.

Lastly, I dueled that Ele again after the mishap. I promptly swapped around a trait or two and specced as a Minion Master. Let’s just say she didn’t want to duel again.

There was a video showing just how low of damage even carrion and rabid do to a diamond skin ele. If it was just a matter of “deal 1.5k damage to get rid of this trait” then it wouldn’t be an issue, but trying to deal that hen you only hit 300-400 to a target with passive healing + regen + heal on skill cast; its a bit more difficult.

honestly its your fault for not making a balanced build that has at least a little direct dmg. even my condi staff mesmer can break the diamond skin barrier. what build are you using? yes its okay to decide to go either direct dmg or condi but you need some back up for things like diamond skin and the engis trait that got nerved recently. besides else are really squishy and if they are focusing on healing then they won’t hurt you for poop

Any ele in pvp will rarely take that trait for pvp/wvw because you give up so many better defensive skills in water/arcane. Why use diamond skin when cleansing water/wave with evasive arcana and elemental attunement can clear conditions at a really good rate while also ensuring a healing against direct damage classes?

And if they are running diamond skin, or stone heart even, they probably will lack the damage to down you unless they get you in some might stacking combo, which is easy enough to avoid from a D/D ele, S/D their burst can be nastier. I’ve heard of a few gimmick condition eles run diamond skin for the +bleed traits in earth along the way… so you know somethings wrong when people go that far into earth.

Never go full condi.
Never.

DS doesn’t need to be changed, your build does.

I use full rabid. Idk what I need to change about it since many of you say I should make Changes. If you have any suggestions please share.

Dahir.4158:

Never go full condi.
Never.

DS doesn’t need to be changed, your build does.

This isn’t a legitimate argument. When Necromancers were stacking 15 bleeds on people while under a fear chain and stacked under piles of conditions, people weren’t forced to change their build (for good reason), it was nerfed because it was too strong.

If there was something that invalidated direct damage while above 90% HP people would be up in arms and no amounts of “just change your build” would stop that.

Look, the problem is 50% of the battle is getting the ele below the immunity threshold, the other 50% is keeping them below the immunity threshold. In a 1v1 against an ele that knows what they are doing, it will be impossible in pure condition build or even most hybrid builds. Your best damage skill if you are not using plague will most likely be the golem charge. Good luck getting it to pin the ele for most of the hits. Your only option if you insist on running a condition build against diamond skin will be lich. Even in a pure condition build it can still hit around 3-3.5k, but you have to make your hits count.

I have no problem with them in rabid on any other class but necro (it isn’t an instant loss on necro, but a challenge). If I saw more than 3 Diamond Skin ele a month, It might be a problem.

A counter to the condi bunker meta. It is perfectly fine the way it is.

Bhawb.7408:

Dahir.4158:

Never go full condi.
Never.

DS doesn’t need to be changed, your build does.

This isn’t a legitimate argument. When Necromancers were stacking 15 bleeds on people while under a fear chain and stacked under piles of conditions, people weren’t forced to change their build (for good reason), it was nerfed because it was too strong.

If there was something that invalidated direct damage while above 90% HP people would be up in arms and no amounts of “just change your build” would stop that.

When someone can cleanse at 1/2 the rate you can apply, your argument would be valid. But they can’t, so it isn’t. 1 class can hard counter what 5 classes can do. 1 spec of 1 class.

Avoid them if they are a huge problem. Just like I avoid HamBow warriors and Condi Engi instead of being up in arms for a nerf.

Omnitek.3876:

A counter to the condi bunker meta. It is perfectly fine the way it is..

The meta that never existed?

There’s a reason balance decisions aren’t made around hotjoins. Because literally any build can and will show up. There is no coordination between teammates , so strategies never actually develop. Add into the fact you are just as likely to get 5 glass cannon thieves kitten Decap engineers, and no actual “meta” will ever form.

There are currently no other Diamond counters in the game other than Diamond Skin. Hard counters can be worked around and out-played. Diamond Counters simply win with no chance of recourse. That is the issue with Diamond Skin as it currently is: the builds it counters have literally no chance of victory.

However, the builds it doesn’t counter rarely even notice that it’s there. It’s too terribly designed.

I’ve been on both sides of it. It is powerful, or useless. Give or take.

My idea for rework

Diamond Skin: Conditions suffered have one fourth duration(Requires HP>90%)

Omnitek.3876:

A counter to the condi bunker meta. It is perfectly fine the way it is.

Ah yes, the full dire/perplexity/diamond skin ele, one condi bunker to rule them all.

Edit: Added a few pics of a build I just threw together, note that with guard stacks this build has 2592 condition damage, as far as I know this is the highest condi damage possible on any build. The earth attunement auto-attacks with a 1.5s cast time do over 5000 condi damage, and both water/air attunements have interrupts to trigger perplexity. All while being essentially immune to conditions.

Wow. At least that will screw with there attunement recharge. They won’t be as boon heavy.

Argon.1563:

Or you could just have a 2nd set with…any other weapon?…Staff, Dagger, Axe, the lot, all do enough damage to take an ele out of 90%. 10% of an ele’s health is like, not even 2k.

more like 1.2k hp actually… Just wait with your burst after he leaves water, will be a while till he can heal up any major damage after that.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Argon.1563:

Or you could just have a 2nd set with…any other weapon?…Staff, Dagger, Axe, the lot, all do enough damage to take an ele out of 90%. 10% of an ele’s health is like, not even 2k.

more like 1.2k hp actually… Just wait with your burst after he leaves water, will be a while till he can heal up any major damage after that.

Here’s the thing, though: he doesn’t need to leave water. His damage might be low, but it’s still higher than yours and he’s at no risk of dying anyway.

A lot of them do anyway, and the Signet plus other defenses are enough to keep them above or close to 90% health for the short time they aren’t in water attunement.

lich form, flesh golem, a spare set of air/fire sigil weapons in your backpack,
life blast spam, minions.
or just call over a warrior/thief to look in the direction of the ele and make him die.

tbh diamond skin is a gimmick, his whole spec is a troll spec made for hunting people who put everything they have into condition damage, ofcourse he’s going to be tough for you, but he’s a piece of cake for everyone else, so leave him to your allies while you can get back to fear spamming.

Liewec.2896:

tbh diamond skin is a gimmick, his whole spec is a troll spec made for hunting people who put everything they have into condition damage, ofcourse he’s going to be tough for you, but he’s a piece of cake for everyone else, so leave him to your allies while you can get back to fear spamming.

Which is why the trait needs a rework. It is too binary. You are either completely unkillable, or the trait isn’t even noticed. There is no middle ground with it.

What if it instead gave immunity to conditions while attuned to Earth and above 66% health? That would give them a much larger window to work with against power builds, but also give condition builds opportunities to start wearing them down as, while in Earth, they couldn’t just keep regenerating 100% of the direct damage.

Some eles tend to check the food you use before the fight starts and then quickly put traits to counter you perfectly. Ofc you could trick them by using different food pretending to be power necro. Would love to see the ele face that just disabled his diamond skin thinking you’re not condi…

Honestly, I was one of the guys laughing at necros when DS came out, but after playing a bit as condi ele myself I noticed the problem. In some time after few duels against DS ele my build got a bit adjusted so I think it won’t be a problem anymore. Luckily it’s relatively easy to stack might on ele and up both condi and power dmg.
The trait itself made me and probably many other eles have a wide smile on their faces at start, but I admit I don’t like it anymore and haven’t used it since several months. In my opinion any build should have a chance to do at least some damage against any other build in the game, but seeing this one single trait with connection to ele healing abilities allows to disable several other builds, it looks totally unfair to me. I don’t mind it in pve, but against a real human opponent I want a clear challenging fight where I have to act accordingly to situation, not just watch my health bar and keep it above the “magic 90%” which isn’t hard at all on ele – spam dagger autoattack : 250 per cast, go to water if needed : 1k regen + heal 1-2k depending on traits and gear + 1k soothing mist heal over time + 1 or 2 water healing skills depending on weapons – you can add up all day, it just proves that ele is excellent at small heals, and you are just tickling him for 300-400 dmg ^^ I see ppl trying condi ele builds since some time, but oh the irony, not so long ago there was quite much crying about how necros or engis bunker with dire gear, but what is happening now? 3k+ armor 20k hp condi ele ftw? Hypocrisy all the way… I could understand trait like “50% (or xx%) reduced condi duration while above 80% (xx%) hp” similiar to engi one, at least looks more “fair” to full condi builds and does help the ele but doesn’t shut down the enemy totally…

On necro stacking might looks a bit more complicated I guess. You could try some mixed build or whatever comes to your mind. Don’t know if this would be enough: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRAQRAod7Yjc0Ucb1Ne3whjCchaqhA63MAi2IzgJgq2A-TlSFABMcCAA4BA47RA4D9Ans/wAHEAKV/5PlgPp8DONDkCAm5AA-w
Change epidemic to your skill of choice (plague signet to have more condi remove/send condis back to him when DS is down?) and maybe add sigil of battle on weapons, this is just my theory build, I never played condi necro, only power-well-zergy one… The rest just comes from how experienced you are against eles, dodge the knockbacks, stop attacking when he has shocking aura and such…
Btw: does coming in/out of death shroud count as weapon swap? That would be even more reason for battle sigil.

To be fair, this is a ele specifically setup to hose you. Perhaps the trait is too strong, I’m not fit to judge as I’ve never played condi PvP but combined with the -condi food it’s clear they’re using a niche build to try to specifically stop you. In a real PvP situation this would mean backing off or calling for support to take them out, similar to how you would handle tougher bunker builds.

Mega Skeleton.8259:

To be fair, this is a ele specifically setup to hose you. Perhaps the trait is too strong, I’m not fit to judge as I’ve never played condi PvP but combined with the -condi food it’s clear they’re using a niche build to try to specifically stop you. In a real PvP situation this would mean backing off or calling for support to take them out, similar to how you would handle tougher bunker builds.

I don’t think the trait is too strong, I think the trait is too binary. It either stops your opponent cold or it does jack squat. They need to greatly extend the health threshold while adding opportunities for condition builds to bypass it. Or something similar. Right now the trait either guarantees you a win or it’s a wasted grandmaster. Pretty bad design in my book.

Jayce.5632:

Lich elite

15 char

has no place on a condi skillbar.

Lightsbane.9012:

Jayce.5632:

Lich elite

15 char

has no place on a condi skillbar.

1 trait to counter a condi bunker. 1 elite to counter the trait. Sounds fair actually. Swap it before you engage the DS ele if you are in WvW. Hell, golem will take care of it along with life blast…

This thread is full of “I wanna auto attack with scepter and win! Instead of having to deal with a DS ele that I see once every 10 games or once a week in WvW!” (Since 1/2 people are taking spvp and other is WvW roaming)

Mega Skeleton.8259:

I don’t think the trait is too strong, I think the trait is too binary. It either stops your opponent cold or it does jack squat. They need to greatly extend the health threshold while adding opportunities for condition builds to bypass it. Or something similar. Right now the trait either guarantees you a win or it’s a wasted grandmaster. Pretty bad design in my book.

That is what a counter is and how it works. It is a wasted, gimmick grandmaster. That is why no one uses it outside of a duel.

We could also start talking about Lich form… I betcha that even with a condi spec you can still get the eles health down enough to begin apply conditions on them.
May I also note that the ele has light armor and the lowest base hp in the game. Without our sustained healing and gimmick traits we’re wet noodles.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

We could also start talking about Lich form… I betcha that even with a condi spec you can still get the eles health down enough to begin apply conditions on them.
May I also note that the ele has light armor and the lowest base hp in the game. Without our sustained healing and gimmick traits we’re wet noodles.

Sooo, why were eles pretty successful before Diamond Skin got introduced? Oh wait, because the gimmick traits aren’t necessary!

I don’t see why eles are so against Diamond Skin becoming something that’s not a gimmick and actually useable. Yet every complaint thread about it being badly designed has them rushing to defend it, saying “it’s terrible.” If it’s so terrible, why are you against a redesign?

Swim is moron. I’ve learned to just ignore everything he posts.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

We could also start talking about Lich form… I betcha that even with a condi spec you can still get the eles health down enough to begin apply conditions on them.
May I also note that the ele has light armor and the lowest base hp in the game. Without our sustained healing and gimmick traits we’re wet noodles.

Sooo, why were eles pretty successful before Diamond Skin got introduced? Oh wait, because the gimmick traits aren’t necessary!

I don’t see why eles are so against Diamond Skin becoming something that’s not a gimmick and actually useable. Yet every complaint thread about it being badly designed has them rushing to defend it, saying “it’s terrible.” If it’s so terrible, why are you against a redesign?

What game type are you referring to that eles are great(lol been over a year since that was true. Rune change helped a bit though.) and you always fight DS eles? There seems to be a few ppl talking spvp and a few talking wvw. They are a different beast, but still there are almost no eles that run DS in either. I don’t think it is an issue.

I dislike passive skills/traits in general, but that’s about it.

Condition necro:s are decent in most 1v1. The existence of a single, and to me gimmicky, counter build doesn’t upset me much. Especially now when we can re-trait on the fly. Besides… roaming solo I can’t really expect anything.

Omnitek.3876:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

We could also start talking about Lich form… I betcha that even with a condi spec you can still get the eles health down enough to begin apply conditions on them.
May I also note that the ele has light armor and the lowest base hp in the game. Without our sustained healing and gimmick traits we’re wet noodles.

Sooo, why were eles pretty successful before Diamond Skin got introduced? Oh wait, because the gimmick traits aren’t necessary!

I don’t see why eles are so against Diamond Skin becoming something that’s not a gimmick and actually useable. Yet every complaint thread about it being badly designed has them rushing to defend it, saying “it’s terrible.” If it’s so terrible, why are you against a redesign?

What game type are you referring to that eles are great(lol been over a year since that was true. Rune change helped a bit though.) and you always fight DS eles? There seems to be a few ppl talking spvp and a few talking wvw. They are a different beast, but still there are almost no eles that run DS in either. I don’t think it is an issue.

Did I ever state that I “always fight DS eles?” No. I’ve been saying all along that the trait is terrible design, not that I see it often. Why do I not see it often? Because it’s terrible design and needs a rework. Eles were good before Diamond Skin (perhaps not great right before, but they were still decent) and the best builds now don’t use it either.

So, why, when I call for a rework, do eles rush to defend it’s current state by saying “it’s terrible?” They should be agreeing with me on that basis!

Bunker ele has round 20k hp 90% of that is 18k, zerker have less 15k hp 90% is 13.5k
You have to do a minimum of 2k damage to start stacking,
Diamond skins.is not all that powerful.

Pop DS and drop 2k get out applies conditions. Poison is your friend in this fight.

Everyone saying “just deal 2k damage” is forgetting that the ele is doing something to stay above 90%, namely constant healing. If they didn’t have that, it would be easy. Since they do, it’s impossible (they out-heal the direct damage).

Dealing enough damage is no obstacle. Doing it fast enough and keeping them below 90% is.

To give you a hint, a full Zerker necro attacking with scepter still gets about half of the damage from the 0 condition damage bleeds and poison.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

We could also start talking about Lich form… I betcha that even with a condi spec you can still get the eles health down enough to begin apply conditions on them.
May I also note that the ele has light armor and the lowest base hp in the game. Without our sustained healing and gimmick traits we’re wet noodles.

Sooo, why were eles pretty successful before Diamond Skin got introduced? Oh wait, because the gimmick traits aren’t necessary!

I don’t see why eles are so against Diamond Skin becoming something that’s not a gimmick and actually useable. Yet every complaint thread about it being badly designed has them rushing to defend it, saying “it’s terrible.” If it’s so terrible, why are you against a redesign?

Elementalist were horrible in any form of pvp before the 15 april patch. That was the sole reason that I started playing alts. I put aside my ele after 1300 hours. Then I roled necromancer in pvp. It was sooo sad.

But I must admit, playing against and elementalist with all his jumping around seemed pretty annoying when I play necromancer. But when you can get them out of their diamond skin perk with one single hit… Honestly I don’t know what you’re qqing about.

Trololololololol

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

We could also start talking about Lich form… I betcha that even with a condi spec you can still get the eles health down enough to begin apply conditions on them.
May I also note that the ele has light armor and the lowest base hp in the game. Without our sustained healing and gimmick traits we’re wet noodles.

Sooo, why were eles pretty successful before Diamond Skin got introduced? Oh wait, because the gimmick traits aren’t necessary!

I don’t see why eles are so against Diamond Skin becoming something that’s not a gimmick and actually useable. Yet every complaint thread about it being badly designed has them rushing to defend it, saying “it’s terrible.” If it’s so terrible, why are you against a redesign?

Elementalist were horrible in any form of pvp before the 15 april patch. That was the sole reason that I started playing alts. I put aside my ele after 1300 hours. Then I roled necromancer in pvp. It was sooo sad.

But I must admit, playing against and elementalist with all his jumping around seemed pretty annoying when I play necromancer. But when you can get them out of their diamond skin perk with one single hit… Honestly I don’t know what you’re qqing about.

What one single hit, pray tell?

In a PvP Carrion build with 4 points in Spite, using a staff, Life Blast close range will hit for 808 damage on average against the absolute minimum armor an ele with DS can have (in other words, 6 points in Earth magic and no Toughness at all from runes, specific traits, or amulet). That’s less than half of what they need to break DS, and that build is pretty heavy on Power for a condition build. Before the second life blast hits, the ele will heal up about 500 of that if in water attunement (only about 300 otherwise). This is without investment into Healing Power past 2 points in Water Magic.

So, assuming the ele is NOT sitting in water attunement, simply standing there and auto-attacking, it requires the necro to land 3 Life Blasts just to break DS, and at least one more to make it not garunteed that the ele is above 90% again when he makes his next attack. This is using the highest-damage Power-based attack the condition necro has (I am purposely ignoring Lich Form because of its elite status and the fact that avoiding its attacks is extremely easy).

Best case scenario and it still takes 4, slow-casting attacks to just get past one trait and signet before accounting for gear or action on the elementalist’s part .

Sure, you can say “just reduce the healing with poison.” Which would work…if they weren’t immune to Poison.

Even with Power as a secondary stat, a condition necro cannot feasibly break through Diamond Skin. One trait matters more than any semblence of skill on either player’s part. To make matters worse, the same trait that guarantees a win against them does barely anything at all against anyone else.

It needs a rework. Badly.

Necros trying to get a ele GM trait reworked because it is terrible or because it counters your build? I still don’t have a problem on my necro with it. I adapt and use lich or more DS.

I see why you have a problem and want it reworked. Most of us don’t see it as a problem and don’t think it needs a rework. Eventually, sure, but there are more pressing issues that deserve the time over a once a week thing.

Omnitek.3876:

Necros trying to get a ele GM trait reworked because it is terrible or because it counters your build? I still don’t have a problem on my necro with it. I adapt and use lich or more DS.

I see why you have a problem and want it reworked. Most of us don’t see it as a problem and don’t think it needs a rework. Eventually, sure, but there are more pressing issues that deserve the time over a once a week thing.

Oh, no question there are bigger priorities. Again, I never stated that Diamond Skin was near the top of things that need to be changed.

But it does need to be reworked.

Now try to imagine “defensive” condi build. Weakness, blind, chill, cripple, LF regeneration and 2 dodge.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

We could also start talking about Lich form… I betcha that even with a condi spec you can still get the eles health down enough to begin apply conditions on them.
May I also note that the ele has light armor and the lowest base hp in the game. Without our sustained healing and gimmick traits we’re wet noodles.

Sooo, why were eles pretty successful before Diamond Skin got introduced? Oh wait, because the gimmick traits aren’t necessary!

I don’t see why eles are so against Diamond Skin becoming something that’s not a gimmick and actually useable. Yet every complaint thread about it being badly designed has them rushing to defend it, saying “it’s terrible.” If it’s so terrible, why are you against a redesign?

Elementalist were horrible in any form of pvp before the 15 april patch. That was the sole reason that I started playing alts. I put aside my ele after 1300 hours. Then I roled necromancer in pvp. It was sooo sad.

But I must admit, playing against and elementalist with all his jumping around seemed pretty annoying when I play necromancer. But when you can get them out of their diamond skin perk with one single hit… Honestly I don’t know what you’re qqing about.

What one single hit, pray tell?

In a PvP Carrion build with 4 points in Spite, using a staff, Life Blast close range will hit for 808 damage on average against the absolute minimum armor an ele with DS can have (in other words, 6 points in Earth magic and no Toughness at all from runes, specific traits, or amulet). That’s less than half of what they need to break DS, and that build is pretty heavy on Power for a condition build. Before the second life blast hits, the ele will heal up about 500 of that if in water attunement (only about 300 otherwise). This is without investment into Healing Power past 2 points in Water Magic.

So, assuming the ele is NOT sitting in water attunement, simply standing there and auto-attacking, it requires the necro to land 3 Life Blasts just to break DS, and at least one more to make it not garunteed that the ele is above 90% again when he makes his next attack. This is using the highest-damage Power-based attack the condition necro has (I am purposely ignoring Lich Form because of its elite status and the fact that avoiding its attacks is extremely easy).

Best case scenario and it still takes 4, slow-casting attacks to just get past one trait and signet before accounting for gear or action on the elementalist’s part .

Sure, you can say “just reduce the healing with poison.” Which would work…if they weren’t immune to Poison.

Even with Power as a secondary stat, a condition necro cannot feasibly break through Diamond Skin. One trait matters more than any semblence of skill on either player’s part. To make matters worse, the same trait that guarantees a win against them does barely anything at all against anyone else.

It needs a rework. Badly.

I run a hybrid condi build, it only takes one scepter attack to get ‘m out of DS. Next I apply a ton of conditions with the signet followed by scepter 3. The signets conditions don’t do alot of damage but it will trigget a reflex for elementalists to clear those conditions. Then follows y’r true condition burst while he is out of condi-removal, out of DS and if you apply your condi burst quickly enough after the initial load was cleared you’ll keep him out of DS for the duration of the fight.
Remember DS doesn’t work anymore after you take 1200 of their hp.

But since I run a bunker ele with DS occasionally I’ll tell you that the few bunker eles that use glyph of elemental power while in air will be able to achieve a near 100% uptime of weakness on you reducing your direct damage by 50%. Glyph of Elemental Power has a duration of 30 seconds so basically you won’t be able to beat ’m for that duration unless you repeatedly remove that condition which is intirely pointless because it can get applied every 5 seconds.

Ever since this trait has come out, I’ve only faced an ele once with this trait in PvP, and never in WvW. I can see how it would be a little OP if you’re full conditionmancer (like me), but knocking off 10% health isn’t that much. If I were you, I would just hit #4 on staff, then DS #1 and call it a day. then, you should be able to shut ’em down with conditions.

There is no such thing as “just hit this” to get them out of DS. Look at the actual damage you do in any realistic condi build, and then compare that with how easily an ele can heal themselves back up.

This trait is just flat badly designed, stop defending it because you have an unsubstantiated anecdotal experience where it didn’t counter you. Just pure math shows that this is not balanced in a 1v1 against a condi build, and in a game about “skill” its stupid that you can have a permanent hard counter to someone’s damage source.

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

I run a hybrid condi build, it only takes one scepter attack to get ’m out of DS.

vid plz

Waffler.1257:

Swimsasa Stoon.8936:

I run a hybrid condi build, it only takes one scepter attack to get ’m out of DS.

vid plz

He’s smoking some strooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong stuff if he’s making that claim. At minimum it’s going to take one scepter chain. And that involves BiP for 10 stacks of might and all 3 hits being a crit. Oh, and Rampagers armor.