Guild Wars 2

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So, does melee capabilities and a new Death Shroud make you fear the Reaper? What new utility skills will make tomorrow’s Reaper preview truly frightening?

Nope.

Needs more cowbell.

No. I’d fear a chronomancer or dragonhunter using a hammer+gs+traps more so far. But we’ll see after the stream tomorrow.

Slow attacks, easy to dodge. Really I wouldnt fear me.

Definitely CC shouts. Considering the focus on chill, I can easily see a shout that chills enemies in range.

Lily.1935:

Nope.

Lily.1935:

Nope.

Gemini K.8529:

No. I’d fear a chronomancer or dragonhunter using a hammer+gs+traps more so far. But we’ll see after the stream tomorrow.

hopefully my mind changes about it. But so far I’m not impressed.

Slow and well orchestrated attacks.

I’d say there is a reason the hero/heroin wins against the big bad boss every time.

Gemini K.8529:

No. I’d fear a chronomancer or dragonhunter using a hammer+gs+traps more so far. But we’ll see after the stream tomorrow.

Totally agree with you. Also a slow attack and movement melee means easy to kite. Even a normal shortbow thief can easily kill the reaper.
I’ll have to watch the stream tomorrow to decide to keep on playing necromancer or to reroll mesmer since they got speed boost for one of its minor trait.

nope I’d fear mesmer/chronomancer much more as a necromancer/reaper

eh, if the attacks are much slower than standard GS attacks, alongside long cast times, I can’t see reaper being worthwhile in pvp

rapthorne.7345:

eh, if the attacks are much slower than standard GS attacks, alongside long cast times, I can’t see reaper being worthwhile in pvp

I did feel like it was going to be more PvE oriented for “unknown reasons” but we’ll know more of it’s efficiency eventually. I want ice auras and reflects it’s easy enough to get us at range coming to them should give us an advantage other than higher dps.

Yeah if that thing grabs you and perma-chills you, you’re gonna cry blood lol.
So yes… I’m gonna have fighting Reapers. They do have an AoE stun in DS… gonna be a pain in the kitten to fight tbh. Mix in Spectral Grasp…

You can already perma-chill as a necro, it just isnt as effective as you think. It doesnt affect warriors, guardians or thieves. Rest are ranged and have good get aways to drop condition and kite you.

Ive played lots of chill builds as necro and ranger. It can be very good at times but other times you feel you should re-spec.

you will have to wait and see what the traits will be. if it offers damage modifiers on chilled targets then it could be very good. i think alot will depend on the range of their pull too. if they can pull a ranger then chill it then its gg.

Kilger.5490:

You can already perma-chill as a necro, it just isnt as effective as you think. It doesnt affect warriors, guardians or thieves. Rest are ranged and have good get aways to drop condition and kite you.

Ive played lots of chill builds as necro and ranger. It can be very good at times but other times you feel you should re-spec.

They are not effective because they are one dimensional and that one thing, they offer, is not enough. Or in other words they give up to much for the perma chill. For the reaper this may not be the case. But i guess time will tell.

inb4 no active defense, second lifebar and ‘attrition’

MethaneGas.8357:

Mix in Spectral Grasp…

You mean Spectral Miss.

And no, most of what I saw in the trailer looked like it would really easy to dodge and avoid in general. Even more so than a Warriors GS, and Warrior GS is hilariously easy to avoid.

Aktium.9506:

MethaneGas.8357:

Mix in Spectral Grasp…

You mean Spectral Miss.

And no, most of what I saw in the trailer looked like it would really easy to dodge and avoid in general. Even more so than a Warriors GS, and Warrior GS is hilariously easy to avoid.

From my experience the skill doesn’t miss that much in sPvP skyhammer.
I think people are reading into it way too much. People read “slow attacks” and immediately think “omg…. easy to dodge”. Hammer warriors are a nice example of fairly slow attacks that can be deadly. Now picture being perma-chilled with a hammer warrior on top of you… easy to dodge? No.

Fears will chill your targets. If you’re close to someone and you fear them, they’ll be chilled and you’ll land free hits on them.
DS also had a stun, from what I saw —> more easy hits.
A pull (especially if the target is chilled) --> easy hits. You only have 2 dodges, not infinite dodges… so if a Reaper pulls you and chills you and you don’t have your dodges ready… gg.
We still didn’t see the other skills they have. If one of the shouts is a taunt… voila.

MethaneGas.8357:

From my experience the skill doesn’t miss that much in sPvP skyhammer.
I think people are reading into it way too much. People read “slow attacks” and immediately think “omg…. easy to dodge”. Hammer warriors are a nice example of fairly slow attacks that can be deadly. Now picture being perma-chilled with a hammer warrior on top of you… easy to dodge? No.

A pull (especially if the target is chilled) —> easy hits. You only have 2 dodges, not infinite dodges.

You don’t even need a dodge for Spectral Grasp. You can sidestep it without any larger hassle. It’s even slower and easier to see than Imbued Shaman’s arrow in Volcanic Fractal. And nobody who isn’t afk or terrible gets hit by Shaman’s arrow. Your experience must be rather brief if you think Spectral Grasp doesn’t miss, hits terrain, or just jerks the opponent to you slightly instead of pulling 9/10 times.

Spectral Grasp only ever finds itself on my bar in WvW when someone is being cheeky and is trying to attack me from on top a wall or when I put on the soundtrack to Jaws and position myself in a nice body of water where I can pull down an unsuspecting enemy passing by and pretend I’m a shark.

Aktium.9506:

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Whatever you say

Random speculation : Since A-Net is going for the slow, unstoppable monster, GS , melee DS and Shouts are unblockable. If you are stupid enough to get hit, you’ll GET hit. Would you fear it now, huh?

Yes, definitly unrealistic. But imagine the “GET OVER HERE!” skill being unblockable, taking you right into the next hard blow. Or the freeze-attack being unblockable…

As always Anet managed to disappoint regardless of how low my expectations.

I don’t want slow, easy to avoid or CC junk.
That’s an issue we ALREADY have – a lot of our skills have pointlessly long cast times.

I don’t want more selfish skills, I want to, like every other class in the game to be able to provide some team support.

I don’t want more bloody minion skills Seriously, MM players are a tiny minority of necros for a reason – minion AI is awful, especially melee minions. What the hell do I want a few jagged horrors for?

Also chill on fear? How am I supposed to push someone off a point in sPvP if they’re bloody chilled.

Man oh man, overall giving us good access to chill is what we need to be a melee “attrition” class, but seriously, you have to be smart about it.

Slow and easily telegraphed is simply detrimental?
Looking at how strong hambow was last meta and how impactful lich can be I’d say wait and see.

MethaneGas.8357:

Aktium.9506:

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Whatever you say

I’m glad you feel enlightened and agree with me.

War Mourner.5168:

As always Anet managed to disappoint regardless of how low my expectations.

I don’t want slow, easy to avoid or CC junk.
That’s an issue we ALREADY have – a lot of our skills have pointlessly long cast times.

I don’t want more selfish skills, I want to, like every other class in the game to be able to provide some team support.

I don’t want more bloody minion skills Seriously, MM players are a tiny minority of necros for a reason – minion AI is awful, especially melee minions. What the hell do I want a few jagged horrors for?

Also chill on fear? How am I supposed to push someone off a point in sPvP if they’re bloody chilled.

Man oh man, overall giving us good access to chill is what we need to be a melee “attrition” class, but seriously, you have to be smart about it.

… How many times? CHILL OUT TIL YOU SAW THE kittenING POI FOR kittenS SAKE.

We know literally TWO skills, WITHOUT numbers. And the minors. We do NOT know whether or not we get protection/retaliation/might/vigor or somethign via major trait like DH got bleeding on traps. We do NOT know a single GS skill except for what we can make out from the trailer. We do NOT know if there is a shout giving us STAB, or if we are the profession to get a defiance bar. We do NOT know the damage we can dish out. We do NOT know 5 of 6 shouts, where one or two of them could easily have a unique debuff or buffs for allies on them. And finally, we only know ONE of 5 DS skills.

Rage tomorrow, if there is something to rage left. But stop posting these ultranegative posts before you even know 1/4 of what we get.

MethaneGas.8357:

Aktium.9506:

MethaneGas.8357:

Mix in Spectral Grasp…

You mean Spectral Miss.

And no, most of what I saw in the trailer looked like it would really easy to dodge and avoid in general. Even more so than a Warriors GS, and Warrior GS is hilariously easy to avoid.

From my experience the skill doesn’t miss that much in sPvP skyhammer.
I think people are reading into it way too much. People read “slow attacks” and immediately think “omg…. easy to dodge”. Hammer warriors are a nice example of fairly slow attacks that can be deadly. Now picture being perma-chilled with a hammer warrior on top of you… easy to dodge? No.

Fears will chill your targets. If you’re close to someone and you fear them, they’ll be chilled and you’ll land free hits on them.
DS also had a stun, from what I saw —> more easy hits.
A pull (especially if the target is chilled) --> easy hits. You only have 2 dodges, not infinite dodges… so if a Reaper pulls you and chills you and you don’t have your dodges ready… gg.
We still didn’t see the other skills they have. If one of the shouts is a taunt… voila.

^ hes right, im excited for this.

LCV.7245:

This post is intended to be read while listening to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQcUyhoxTg

So, does melee capabilities and a new Death Shroud make you fear the Reaper? What new utility skills will make tomorrow’s Reaper preview truly frightening?

As a thief…not really. If your attacks are slow like Anet said, I’ll just spam blinds, yawn, and get my free kill.

In all seriousness, still not scared.

They had zerker dagger build and that isn’t meta so why do think think GS zerker will be meta?

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