Feeling like not much has changed
If you gave necro fire fields and blast finishers, it would just turn it into an elementalist or guardian.
If I wanted to play an elementalist, I would play an elementalist.
It sounds like you want to play an elementalist, you should do so.
Triple trouble is a joke, however there is a space for conditionmancers, there’s like one set of problematic mobs that spawn that are only vulnerable to conditions. Sounds like the group you were doing it with were also terrible, I ran that with TTS once playing the one good pve necro build, wells, and there was a phase where they would first call fire fields, then call for all fields which is when I would be able to dump the well damage.
You cannot judge the state of the game on one world event that 90% of the playerbase doesn’t even bother to do.
You haven’t even hit level cap yet, probably haven’t experienced the current terrible state of gw2’s “pve endgame”.
If you’re determined to keep playing necromancer, I would recommend switching to
http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Necromancer_-_Dagger/X
Even without the level 80 armor and runes, using these combinations of skills and weapons should give you the smoothest leveling experience. Minions are terrible.
In terms of other game modes, necros are in a better state in spvp now then they have ever been before with the cele signet build, and they’ve always been a part of wvw meta wellbombing from range.
Not much has changed for our place in PvE, but the profession’s place as a whole is vastly improved since before the specialization rework. We’re finally getting the QoL and power adjustments we need, and most importantly we finally have a dev who listens to and implements feedback, as well as has amazing ideas of his own.
We aren’t fixed yet, but for the first time we have legitimate hope of being able to get there.
Blood is Power now brings something to a group and is often overlooked. Necros can now chip in might stacks (8 stacks) to a group. I find that quite helpful, and when I run my necro for any group content; that’s on my bar.
No non-blast finishers? What the kitten does that mean? Do they think that applying burning to the boss somehow detracts from might spamming?
And yes, nothing is useful in PvE other than staff elementalists, PS warriors, and guard or mesmer for reflects. The problem is that PvE is kitten, though HoT looks to be changing that for the better.
Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.
If you gave necro fire fields and blast finishers, it would just turn it into an elementalist or guardian.
If I wanted to play an elementalist, I would play an elementalist.
Triple trouble is a joke, however there is a space for conditionmancers, there’s like one set of problematic mobs that spawn that are only vulnerable to conditions. Sounds like
Necromancers aren’t good at damaging condition application either. They are terrible and mostly unwanted on that event.
As for fields & finishers: they shouldn’t get fire fields, but there is no excuse for anet making the Necromancer’s finishers so unwieldy to use. The class probably should get a straightforward blast finisher on a weapon.
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Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.
You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?
If you have a PS warrior your BiP is worthless already. Or your group is relying on fire fields, which have 20s base might duration, compared to 8s.
Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.
You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?
I hope you weren’t being sarcastic and implying PS warrior clones short might duration into the group. A PS warrior with strength runes is a guaranteed 25 might stacks every 100 blades, and the might won’t fall off thanks to 100b having such a short cd with forceful greatsword.
And forceful greatsword is just a chilling force on steroids with no low uptime conditional (necro doesn’t have the uptime of chill to the degree a warrior is critting).
PSEA warriors are horrendously broken. 25 permanent might stacks in one button pres, 170 power+ condi damage (banner), 170 precision+ferocity (banner), 150 power from empowered allies, and the best group resurrection skill in the game (since the ranger elite spirit was nerfed into oblivion despite the fact the spirit had a cast time to spawn and another cast time to rez, courtesy of the always wonderful spvp whine breaking one class/spec at a time).
So long as PSEA warriors and eles with persisting flames continue to exist as is, all other classes and their lesser might/fury generation skills will be obsolete and suboptimal.
They need to nerf ele fire field uptime and the might duration from blasting the field (or alternatively put a cap on the amount of blasts per field, it’s way too easy to cap might with a single field). And Phalanx Strength/Forceful Greatsword need a nerf as well, while the stat contribution from warrior banners need to be given to other classes as well so having a warrior in the party isn’t mandatory).
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Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.
You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?
I hope you weren’t being sarcastic and implying PS warrior clones short might duration into the group. A PS warrior with strength runes is a guaranteed 25 might stacks every 100 blades, and the might won’t fall off thanks to 100b having such a short cd with forceful greatsword.
And forceful greatsword is just a chilling force on steroids with no low uptime conditional (necro doesn’t have the uptime of chill to the degree a warrior is critting).
PSEA warriors are horrendously broken. 25 permanent might stacks in one button pres, 170 power+ condi damage (banner), 170 precision+ferocity (banner), 150 power from empowered allies, and the best group resurrection skill in the game (since the ranger elite spirit was nerfed into oblivion despite the fact the spirit had a cast time to spawn and another cast time to rez, courtesy of the always wonderful spvp whine breaking one class/spec at a time).
So long as PSEA warriors and eles with persisting flames continue to exist as is, all other classes and their lesser might/fury generation skills will be obsolete and suboptimal.
They need to nerf ele fire field uptime and the might duration from blasting the field (or alternatively put a cap on the amount of blasts per field, it’s way too easy to cap might with a single field). And Phalanx Strength/Forceful Greatsword need a nerf as well, while the stat contribution from warrior banners need to be given to other classes as well so having a warrior in the party isn’t mandatory).
Yeaahhh pretty much this, I can keep my parties might up easier using forceful GS and phalanx strength, plus with my strength runes that’s another might stack every 1 second. Combined with the Warriors hundred blades cleaving 3 targets, that’s a ton of might.
I’m in agreement with might stacks from fire fields getting a nerf, perhaps make it 2 instead of 3 with like what they did to sigil of battle? And I’m also in agreement with removing the IcD on chilling victory due to the fact it requires you to hit a chilled opponent. Even if the IcD is 1 second per enemy, that still puts a hindrance on our build diversity, as we need the might generation we have to self sustain ourselves and reaper’s shroud with blighter’s Boon, and all our might generation is in spite.
A knight in shining armor is a man who never had his metal truly tested.
I think this would be a better game if they would standardize the base length of might stacks across skills/effects and adjust all professions so they can put out no more than 5-10 stacks on a continual basis.
Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.
You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?
I hope you weren’t being sarcastic and implying PS warrior clones short might duration into the group. A PS warrior with strength runes is a guaranteed 25 might stacks every 100 blades, and the might won’t fall off thanks to 100b having such a short cd with forceful greatsword.
And forceful greatsword is just a chilling force on steroids with no low uptime conditional (necro doesn’t have the uptime of chill to the degree a warrior is critting).
PSEA warriors are horrendously broken. 25 permanent might stacks in one button pres, 170 power+ condi damage (banner), 170 precision+ferocity (banner), 150 power from empowered allies, and the best group resurrection skill in the game (since the ranger elite spirit was nerfed into oblivion despite the fact the spirit had a cast time to spawn and another cast time to rez, courtesy of the always wonderful spvp whine breaking one class/spec at a time).
So long as PSEA warriors and eles with persisting flames continue to exist as is, all other classes and their lesser might/fury generation skills will be obsolete and suboptimal.
They need to nerf ele fire field uptime and the might duration from blasting the field (or alternatively put a cap on the amount of blasts per field, it’s way too easy to cap might with a single field). And Phalanx Strength/Forceful Greatsword need a nerf as well, while the stat contribution from warrior banners need to be given to other classes as well so having a warrior in the party isn’t mandatory).
Are you grossly exaggerating, or am I missing something? Hundred Blades hits 9 times, and sure as hell doesn’t generate 3 stacks per hit.
Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.
You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?
I hope you weren’t being sarcastic and implying PS warrior clones short might duration into the group. A PS warrior with strength runes is a guaranteed 25 might stacks every 100 blades, and the might won’t fall off thanks to 100b having such a short cd with forceful greatsword.
And forceful greatsword is just a chilling force on steroids with no low uptime conditional (necro doesn’t have the uptime of chill to the degree a warrior is critting).
PSEA warriors are horrendously broken. 25 permanent might stacks in one button pres, 170 power+ condi damage (banner), 170 precision+ferocity (banner), 150 power from empowered allies, and the best group resurrection skill in the game (since the ranger elite spirit was nerfed into oblivion despite the fact the spirit had a cast time to spawn and another cast time to rez, courtesy of the always wonderful spvp whine breaking one class/spec at a time).
So long as PSEA warriors and eles with persisting flames continue to exist as is, all other classes and their lesser might/fury generation skills will be obsolete and suboptimal.
They need to nerf ele fire field uptime and the might duration from blasting the field (or alternatively put a cap on the amount of blasts per field, it’s way too easy to cap might with a single field). And Phalanx Strength/Forceful Greatsword need a nerf as well, while the stat contribution from warrior banners need to be given to other classes as well so having a warrior in the party isn’t mandatory).
Are you grossly exaggerating, or am I missing something? Hundred Blades hits 9 times, and sure as hell doesn’t generate 3 stacks per hit.
You do with 3+ targets.
Against a single boss you still give the party 25 perma might because PS clones any might you gain into allies. You get 9 from 100b on a single target+3 for great justice.
A PSEA warrior runs with eles. An ele sets down lava font as part of his rotation. he generates 6 stacks of might from arcane brilliance and arcane wave on it, plus everytime somebody else blasts the field.
So those 6 stacks he aoe buffed the party with, you cloned unto the party for 12. This is a conservative estimate.
The point is your group will never run out of 25 might stacks with a PSEA warrior around. ESPECIALLY with cleave.
Either way 9 might stacks aoe on a single target from 100b is absurd, necro gets an aoe 8 stacks of might for 8 seconds on a 30 sec cd as a UTILITY SKILL.
Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.
You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?
I hope you weren’t being sarcastic and implying PS warrior clones short might duration into the group. A PS warrior with strength runes is a guaranteed 25 might stacks every 100 blades, and the might won’t fall off thanks to 100b having such a short cd with forceful greatsword.
And forceful greatsword is just a chilling force on steroids with no low uptime conditional (necro doesn’t have the uptime of chill to the degree a warrior is critting).
PSEA warriors are horrendously broken. 25 permanent might stacks in one button pres, 170 power+ condi damage (banner), 170 precision+ferocity (banner), 150 power from empowered allies, and the best group resurrection skill in the game (since the ranger elite spirit was nerfed into oblivion despite the fact the spirit had a cast time to spawn and another cast time to rez, courtesy of the always wonderful spvp whine breaking one class/spec at a time).
So long as PSEA warriors and eles with persisting flames continue to exist as is, all other classes and their lesser might/fury generation skills will be obsolete and suboptimal.
They need to nerf ele fire field uptime and the might duration from blasting the field (or alternatively put a cap on the amount of blasts per field, it’s way too easy to cap might with a single field). And Phalanx Strength/Forceful Greatsword need a nerf as well, while the stat contribution from warrior banners need to be given to other classes as well so having a warrior in the party isn’t mandatory).
Are you grossly exaggerating, or am I missing something? Hundred Blades hits 9 times, and sure as hell doesn’t generate 3 stacks per hit.
You do with 3+ targets.
Against a single boss you still give the party 25 perma might because PS clones any might you gain into allies. You get 9 from 100b on a single target+3 for great justice.
A PSEA warrior runs with eles. An ele sets down lava font as part of his rotation. he generates 6 stacks of might from arcane brilliance and arcane wave on it, plus everytime somebody else blasts the field.
So those 6 stacks he aoe buffed the party with, you cloned unto the party for 12. This is a conservative estimate.
The point is your group will never run out of 25 might stacks with a PSEA warrior around. ESPECIALLY with cleave.
Either way 9 might stacks aoe on a single target from 100b is absurd, necro gets an aoe 8 stacks of might for 8 seconds on a 30 sec cd as a UTILITY SKILL.
Doesn’t PS only clone the might stacks you generate yourself?
Blood is Power isn’t a meaningful group utility when Warrior brings 25 might permanently solo, or just fire fields + blast finishers, and BiP is such short duration it actually hurts the might stacking due to pushing off higher duration mights.
You mean like the long duration might stacks from Phalanx Strength?
I hope you weren’t being sarcastic and implying PS warrior clones short might duration into the group. A PS warrior with strength runes is a guaranteed 25 might stacks every 100 blades, and the might won’t fall off thanks to 100b having such a short cd with forceful greatsword.
And forceful greatsword is just a chilling force on steroids with no low uptime conditional (necro doesn’t have the uptime of chill to the degree a warrior is critting).
PSEA warriors are horrendously broken. 25 permanent might stacks in one button pres, 170 power+ condi damage (banner), 170 precision+ferocity (banner), 150 power from empowered allies, and the best group resurrection skill in the game (since the ranger elite spirit was nerfed into oblivion despite the fact the spirit had a cast time to spawn and another cast time to rez, courtesy of the always wonderful spvp whine breaking one class/spec at a time).
So long as PSEA warriors and eles with persisting flames continue to exist as is, all other classes and their lesser might/fury generation skills will be obsolete and suboptimal.
They need to nerf ele fire field uptime and the might duration from blasting the field (or alternatively put a cap on the amount of blasts per field, it’s way too easy to cap might with a single field). And Phalanx Strength/Forceful Greatsword need a nerf as well, while the stat contribution from warrior banners need to be given to other classes as well so having a warrior in the party isn’t mandatory).
Are you grossly exaggerating, or am I missing something? Hundred Blades hits 9 times, and sure as hell doesn’t generate 3 stacks per hit.
You do with 3+ targets.
Against a single boss you still give the party 25 perma might because PS clones any might you gain into allies. You get 9 from 100b on a single target+3 for great justice.
A PSEA warrior runs with eles. An ele sets down lava font as part of his rotation. he generates 6 stacks of might from arcane brilliance and arcane wave on it, plus everytime somebody else blasts the field.
So those 6 stacks he aoe buffed the party with, you cloned unto the party for 12. This is a conservative estimate.
The point is your group will never run out of 25 might stacks with a PSEA warrior around. ESPECIALLY with cleave.
Either way 9 might stacks aoe on a single target from 100b is absurd, necro gets an aoe 8 stacks of might for 8 seconds on a 30 sec cd as a UTILITY SKILL.
Doesn’t PS only clone the might stacks you generate yourself?
Yes, and that includes for great justice and fire field blasts on top of what the elementalist is generating.
Now I haven’t read the wall of texts here, just in to say how disappointed I am. From what they showed on POI, I see no reason for anything will change for us. We will not be wanted for “meta” runs in Dungeons or Fractals. We get NOTHING that can contribute or make us desired in such groups, no buffs to benefit the group. Since no one cares of “necros are meant to turn buffs into conditions” as the devs like to say. How blind are they? They made a game which deems several profession unwanted.
- End of Rant, sorry -.-