Guild Wars 2

Point some things out that the necro needs like more and fixed minions, or weapons with AoE or cleave, better minion pathing, a better minion system, the ability to have more minions, better survivability, better elites, and better F# skill.

Oooh I know what necro needs! More players that actually enjoy playing the class for what it is!

Seriously…how many more posts like this are there going to be? >_>

Kyskythyn.6471:

Oooh I know what necro needs! More players that actually enjoy playing the class for what it is!

Seriously…how many more posts like this are there going to be? >_>

I know what you mean.

After a long day of work I would normaly go down in the basement and pull out my fingernails with tongs and smash my toes with a sledge hammer. However the time it takes to heal before I can have such an great experience again is just too long.

Luckily I can now just log in on my necro and have the same experience ! I love it !

Kyskythyn.6471:

Oooh I know what necro needs! More players that actually enjoy playing the class for what it is!

Seriously…how many more posts like this are there going to be? >_>

Is there any point in settling for mediocrity instead of trying for greatness?

You think people spend so much time hear airing complaints because we dislike the class or because we like it despite it’s flaws and only want to see it on-par, scratch that, better then others?

Kyskythyn.6471:

Oooh I know what necro needs! More players that actually enjoy playing the class for what it is!

Seriously…how many more posts like this are there going to be? >_>

I tried all the classes in beta but chose the necro as my main for a reason. It will always be my favorite class but at the moment it needs some help to live up to its full potential. I only complain so Arena Net can get an idea of what to fix.

You know what’s even more tired and boring than people complaining about necro?

People who complain about people complaining about necro.

At least the first group can point to some actual, documented problems. The second group’s complaints consist of whining that they don’t want to hear it and/or some magical thinking fallacy that complaints will drive away the gods… er devs.

Perhaps it’s time we treat the second group the same way they treat the first.

Manticore Five.9867:

You know what’s even more tired and boring than people complaining about necro?

People who complain about people complaining about necro.

At least the first group can point to some actual, documented problems. The second group’s complaints consist of whining that they don’t want to hear it and/or some magical thinking fallacy that complaints will drive away the gods… er devs.

Perhaps it’s time we treat the second group the same way they treat the first.

This is a fallacious argument that is as tired and beaten down as the repetitive complaints about necros being broken beyond use.

You’re arguing that people who complain about poor forum etiquette are a bigger problem than those who flood this forum with the same threads every day. You are claiming that they don’t bring any ‘documented problems to the table’ when this entire sub forum is rife with documentation of the problem. Every day brings new threads complaining about known issues. Every time people speak out about how many complaints are misinformed and largely exaggerated they are brow-beaten as being ‘care bears’ or ‘anet cheerleaders’.

If all of you are allowed to repetitively moan about this class, than the rest of us are allowed to repetitively moan about your poor forum etiquette sir.

Edit: My apologies, I completely misunderstood the thrust of Ratphink’s last post. The historically inclined can probably still see it quoted directly below this.

Softspoken.2410:

Ratphink.4751:

You’re arguing that people who complain about poor forum etiquette are a bigger problem than those who flood this forum with the same threads every day. You are claiming that they don’t bring any ‘documented problems to the table’ when this entire sub forum is rife with documentation of the problem. Every day brings new threads complaining about known issues. Every time people speak out about how many complaints are misinformed and largely exaggerated they are brow-beaten as being ‘care bears’ or ‘anet cheerleaders’.

Why, exactly, do minions stop attacking targets that the Necromancer is attacking?

I’ll try to be more clear with this. This forum is rife with documentation that the vast majority of users who utilise it show poor forum etiquette by spamming it with threads containing the same complaints (Necros sux, I’m changing classes, I’m quitting the game, Minions sux, it’s not a necro). Apologies for confusing you.

EDIT: Also, to humour your ‘sharp wit’, I’d like to say that the only minion I ever use is Jagged Horror (because I regretfully have to in the Toughness line) and that Minion regularly attacks who I’m targeting and even in Orr I rarely see it draw aggro on its own. 9/10 when it does draw agros, I accidentally spammed the Tab and started attacking another mob.

Ratphink.4751:

Softspoken.2410:

Ratphink.4751:

You’re arguing that people who complain about poor forum etiquette are a bigger problem than those who flood this forum with the same threads every day. You are claiming that they don’t bring any ‘documented problems to the table’ when this entire sub forum is rife with documentation of the problem. Every day brings new threads complaining about known issues. Every time people speak out about how many complaints are misinformed and largely exaggerated they are brow-beaten as being ‘care bears’ or ‘anet cheerleaders’.

Why, exactly, do minions stop attacking targets that the Necromancer is attacking?

I’ll try to be more clear with this. This forum is rife with documentation that the vast majority of users who utilise it show poor forum etiquette by spamming it with threads containing the same complaints (Necros sux, I’m changing classes, I’m quitting the game, Minions sux, it’s not a necro). Apologies for confusing you.

EDIT: Also, to humour your ‘sharp wit’, I’d like to say that the only minion I ever use is Jagged Horror (because I regretfully have to in the Toughness line) and that Minion regularly attacks who I’m targeting and even in Orr I rarely see it draw aggro on its own. 9/10 when it does draw agros, I accidentally spammed the Tab and started attacking another mob.

There is method to their madness. They are complaining to get ANet to get something done.
Your complaining seems counter intuitive unless you play some other class and want Necros to stay as they are.
So I agree with the past poster in saying that the complainers of the complainers are worse than the original complainers.

Hardly. I said that they are flooding the boards with the same topics. ‘By trying to get stuff done’ you run the risks of burying potentially new problems in a rising tide of old problems.

All I want, all I yearn for, plead, beg, ask, demand, call for is that people start posting intelligently.

Have a complaint about the class. Use the search tool. Find an existing topic. If one doesn’t exist, THEN make a new topic about it. If one does exist, then bring it back to the front page.

Lastly ‘This class sux’, ‘This class is borked’, ‘CALLING OUT ANET’, ’I’m quitting the game’ are unconstructive posts that do nothing for this forum or this class.

Lets take the Original Post since we’re here.

jassking”

Point some things out that the necro needs like more and fixed minions, or weapons with AoE or cleave, better minion pathing, a better minion system, the ability to have more minions, better survivability, better elites, and better F# skill.

This. This is what I hate about this forum now. This is a summary of about 5 different threads with no solutions being offered to fix any of the problems that apparently caused this post to begin with. Nothing new is being brought to the table. There isn’t an attempt to offer solutions like at least some people have the courtesy to do. It’s simply pointing out common complaints because they see everybody else is complaining so by golly they should be allowed to complain to!

Every suggestible complaint in the Original Post has its own thread already. We don’t need one thread to bundle them all together unless the Mods want to merge essentially this entire forum into a ’Necro’s gripping about necro’s’ Post of colossal proportions.

If you want to see unconstructive and useless complaining you need only go so far as the Original Poster. They may not being complaining about complainers, but complaining for the sake of complaining is about as constructive and useful as a chicken on your head.

Ratphink.4751:

All I want, all I yearn for, plead, beg, ask, demand, call for is that people start posting intelligently.

Have a complaint about the class. Use the search tool. Find an existing topic. If one doesn’t exist, THEN make a new topic about it. If one does exist, then bring it back to the front page.

Lastly ‘This class sux’, ‘This class is borked’, ‘CALLING OUT ANET’, ’I’m quitting the game’ are unconstructive posts that do nothing for this forum or this class.

Lets take the Original Post since we’re here.

And what makes you so much better than anyone else on this board? Nothing, your mommy lied to you. If you don’t like it here, you can always leave.

BTW, do you know what a picket line is? Do you think they have 100 people picketing, all with a different complaint? Of course they don’t. If one person complains, chances are huge (especially for a gaming company) that is goes unnoticed. If you get a mass of people complaining about the same topics, guess what? It has a far greater chance of not only being noticed, but acted upon. You may not like that they came to this board vs. an individual thread of this board, but that isn’t your decision. Picketers don’t go to an individuals office, they protest the main entrance. I don’t know if that analogy works for you, but my steaks are about done, so I am done here.

Again, if you don’t like it here – leave.

OP, I agree there are many things that still need to be fixed with this class. I don’t know if it is more troubling that there are so many things that need to be fixed still, or that there is little to no communication regarding the fixes being worked.

The main time I see a huge disparity in classes is during pvp. Classes getting cc’d til death does them in, isn’t really fun. And for some reason, even with the cc breaking skills we have, it still happens very frequently. Our class benefits from a lot of HP, but melee players benefit from huge DPS.

Ratphink.4751:

I’ll try to be more clear with this. This forum is rife with documentation that the vast majority of users who utilise it show poor forum etiquette by spamming it with threads containing the same complaints (Necros sux, I’m changing classes, I’m quitting the game, Minions sux, it’s not a necro). Apologies for confusing you.

Ah, my apologizes. I missed your meaning and actually agree. Way too many of the threads on this forum really are just people being mad, and tend to be the same complaints made in another thread about three hours prior.

For some reason I thought you were saying the forum was full of exact documentation about every bug the necromancer had, which isn’t quite true. I think that was my myopia in effect there.

For those of you who think “everyone’s making the same complaints” is some kind of valid point, just how many different ways do you want us to say “fix it”? Do you want us to alternate capital letters or something so that you can feel fresh and various?

There are actual suggestion threads. I suggest you go find them if these hurt your eyes.

Ideally I’d have you say it as many times, as illustratively, as constructively, and as much as you please. Unfortunately the case that seems to be lost on most of you is that I’d have you do it in the same topic for more than 24 hours. Like I previously pointed out, by making the same topic 25 topics, you are simply drowning the forum in known issues at the risk of new issues not being seen because you’re all too busy getting caught up in things that have already been posted. You also run the increasingly prevalent problem of misinforming people by complaining about issues that have been fixed.

Example: Somebody just last week was still under the impression that Plague Form was still not being effected by the Chilling Darkness Trait (by the way, they fixed this a few months ago. Thought I’d add another memo).

Lastly you promote a wonderful ‘lynch mob’ mentality that has also taken a firm foothold in this forum. I’d like to thank Manticore Five for being, as he always is, the best example of this behaviour on the Necro Forums. One can see that he always illustrates the argument of himself (usually described as ‘us’ despite only ever speaking for himself) and whomever he is arguing against, or ‘them’. Anybody who fails to fall in line with the tirade of complaining and bemoaning known issues is subsequently belittled, personally attacked, and told to go elsewhere. The irony being is that if he, or anybody else who doesn’t like these posts telling them to show some decorum on forums, is also welcome to use the same strategy to go somewhere else.

Now. Sit up straight, elbows off the table, stop making double threads and show some class ladies and gentleman! You may all dig up bodies, but you don’t have to act like a Risen and frenzy all over the forum spewing out conditions.

Ratphink.4751:

..you don’t have to act like a Risen and frenzy all over the forum spewing out conditions.

But surely that’s one thing Necromancers do best?

Psynocide.4965:

Ratphink.4751:

..you don’t have to act like a Risen and frenzy all over the forum spewing out conditions.

But surely that’s one thing Necromancers do best?

Depends on which thread you ask. :U

It is this kind of thread which made me switch to another profession in end-game besides the bugs/issues the Necro has, which I could bear with & play despite everything if the spirit of the professions community was more accepting and supported each other, but no here we are seeing so much bickering, so much divide that it was leaving me with a feeling of distaste while using my Necro. This thread confirms how well I did to shelve it for the time being.

Oh well, more bleed stacks for me.