Guild Wars 2

As of today it provides 1 stack of 3-second Stability on entering Death Shroud.

Not even mentioned in the patch notes.

I’m actually quite disappointed how much this GM trait got hammered this patch for Necro, especially in the pvp aspect.

I tended to like running my tank shroud build and was quite happy when I wasn’t being tossed around like a ping-pong ball as usually whenever I popped shroud. Was good for secure rezzing and stomping.
It’s not like necro’s get a huge access to stability in the first place and yet this handy trait I found was severely cut in effectiveness.

But now that its only 1 stack, is it even worth taking anymore? This kinda goes for all modes as well since it came in handy for some pve and wvw aspects as well.

If not, any other suggestions for a shroud necro then to take its place?
I already have Near to Death, Vital Persistence, Unholy Sanc, Death shiver and Shroud Removal. Looking for something to compliment the tanky side of shroud.

wtf are you kidding me?

Sorry but thats not enough. As of now deathly perception is the clear winner for that slot!

Its at the point where you wouldnt even take it as an adept trait. Useless is the word. Once again anet dont understand how change they make wilo effect necro because they dont play it.

Do they realise its now worse than ranger adept trait “shared anguish” which is on all the time until needed. This is an insult.

Hahahahhaa freaking anet, slapping the necro in the face since 2011. Hey anet do you really think this pos trait is worth a godkitten grandmaster trait. Why don’t you just make us more cc prone. You are terrible. Do you just hate necros. This is a godkitten joke anet. Freaking just hate necros. Do you have anyone there that even godkitten plays necros or do you just make godkitten random poor decisions. Ridiculous.

It is worthless. If it had 5-8 stacks (or pulsed 2 stacks of stability every 3 seconds) I would deem it questionably worthy of taking over 50% increase in critical hit chance.

Maybe this 3 seconds of stability is the only one left in game that stacks duration.

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leman.7682:

As of today it provides 1 stack of 3-second Stability on entering Death Shroud.

Not even mentioned in the patch notes.

yup. this wouldve been a perfect time to buff this trait a bit.

but at least we got all those awesome downed state changes, huh? Yaaaaaay

RashanDale.3609:

leman.7682:

As of today it provides 1 stack of 3-second Stability on entering Death Shroud.

Not even mentioned in the patch notes.

yup. this wouldve been a perfect time to maybe this trait a bit.

but at least we got all those awesome downed state changes, huh? Yaaaaaay

Duh, it is where Anet wants the Necromancers…

… Downed…

… Not bullying Engineers…

…. Which is also why FitG works like this, Engineers, Stability is a nerf to ping pong…

they did mention it in the patch notes
General
Stability: This boon has been changed from a duration stack type to an intensity stack type. Crowd-control effects will remove one instance of stability apiece each time they are applied. Each ability and trait has been adjusted to apply a certain number of stacks. All instances of stability not listed in these release notes will remain at one stack.

I agree this skill is even worst now

FitG went from really bad to just plain worthless. RIP

Please give more stacks- this is a grandmaster trait and should be more powerful. It is not worth putting points into at this point.

Now this trait should be moved to minor traitlines.

Still will be worse than Revenant stab on evade lol

FiTG went from an alright trait to totally useless. It was pretty much a staple in all builds that I used… after 2852 hours on necromancer, necromancer will no longer be my main.

Theoretically, this change is balanced because of the high uptime of stability. But because this change is on necromancers, it’s not balanced for necromancers.

No more outplaying opponents in outnumbered fights… or even 1v1 for that matter!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKEWvkL5Q9g&t=120

Malchior.1928:

It is worthless. If it had 5-8 stacks (or pulsed 2 stacks of stability every 3 seconds) I would deem it questionably worthy of taking over 50% increase in critical hit chance.

That’s the kicker really… the cost of choosing this trait was really what got in the way prior. I almost always included it on my condi builds. Power there was just no way to justify it.

But now it’s not even worth considering on condi builds.

God make it like Revenant and give us a Stunbreak on entering DS instead. Way more useful. This wasn’t good before and now it is EVEN WORSE. A-Net really needs to hire at least 2 new balance guys that are Necromancer-Mains…

Shiki.7148:

God make it like Revenant and give us a Stunbreak on entering DS instead. Way more useful. This wasn’t good before and now it is EVEN WORSE. A-Net really needs to hire at least 2 new balance guys that are Necromancer-Mains…

I think 1 stack of stability AND stun break on entering DS would be fantastic.
Deserves a thread of it’s own IMO.

No way to really buff this trait without it still being mediocre at 1-2 stacks/3s duration. Pulsing stability would be OP.

I vote for stunbreak and stability.

Nice changes…Now can we like ummm….Delete this trash trait?

Rev waves at you with a stab on dodge

Screw that it should still be a minor it sucks so bad. Grandmaster trait my corpse

I agree this change kind of sucks.. I mean… at least make it 2-3 stacks.. 1 is too low…..

I’m actually happy for this change. I like Deathly Perception sooo much more, but felt I had to run this mediocre trait in WvW. Now it’s no contest.

What is the ICD on the stability? Hope it is not defined, just reset on entering DS. FitG was only supposed to last 3 sec, anyway.

Other professions complaining about 10 stacks getting burned away before the skill is up.

Well done…. well done.

I was hoping anet would fix this trait as its been debated on how good it was with heavy leaning towards bad. And the absent mindedness of this patch just drove this trait into the ground. I wouldn’t take it if it was a master trait. If it was adept I’d consider it but as it stands, no. Not worth taking. Now Soul reaping only really has 1 worthwhile grandmaster.

They should make this the 3 point minor in DM. That’s about what it’s worth now.

Zefrost.3425:

…No way to really buff… Pulsing stability would be OP.

This is why they should scrap the trait and entirely redesign necro stab. Currently, bad design prevents the trait from being buffed into usefulness.

How disappointing yet I am not surprised. I am still amazed from a few patches back where =0.5 from locust swarm is considered a buff to our mobility. Honestly, the devs are total disconnected with the necro community and haven’t shown much effort to help us… They may as well change this class from Necromancer to Ping Pongancer cause thats exactly what we’re about to be.

zapv.8051:

They should make this the 3 point minor in DM. That’s about what it’s worth now.

What is the revenant trait that gives the exact same stacks of stability on effectively the same CD (about 10s to get endurance for a dodge, less w/ vigor)? It should be there.

Bhawb.7408:

zapv.8051:

They should make this the 3 point minor in DM. That’s about what it’s worth now.

What is the revenant trait that gives the exact same stacks of stability on effectively the same CD (about 10s to get endurance for a dodge, less w/ vigor)? It should be there.

Would you mind if I copy that signature of yours? sniped

borrok.9267:

Bhawb.7408:

zapv.8051:

They should make this the 3 point minor in DM. That’s about what it’s worth now.

What is the revenant trait that gives the exact same stacks of stability on effectively the same CD (about 10s to get endurance for a dodge, less w/ vigor)? It should be there.

Would you mind if I copy that signature of yours? sniped

Do not hesitate whatsoever.

Bhawb.7408:

zapv.8051:

They should make this the 3 point minor in DM. That’s about what it’s worth now.

What is the revenant trait that gives the exact same stacks of stability on effectively the same CD (about 10s to get endurance for a dodge, less w/ vigor)? It should be there.

The revenant one is actually still MUCH better and more practical.
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/gw2-retribution-revenant-traits1.jpg

Master minor. GG every body.

Edit:
Hearth of Thorns March 16 Update:
- In light of further testing. We realized Revenant was panning out to simply be a polished Necromancer. Because of this we decided to remove the necromancer in HoT. All existing 80 Necromancers will become Revenants.
- Light Armor on Necromancers will be converted to relevant equivalents as heavy armor.
- All current Necromancer files will be burned in a Bon-dhuumfire.

ronpierce.2760:

Bhawb.7408:

zapv.8051:

They should make this the 3 point minor in DM. That’s about what it’s worth now.

What is the revenant trait that gives the exact same stacks of stability on effectively the same CD (about 10s to get endurance for a dodge, less w/ vigor)? It should be there.

The revenant one is actually still MUCH better and more practical.
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/gw2-retribution-revenant-traits1.jpg

Master minor. GG every body.

Edit:
Hearth of Thorns March 16 Update:
- In light of further testing. We realized Revenant was panning out to simply be a polished Necromancer. Because of this we decided to remove the necromancer in HoT. All existing 80 Necromancers will become Revenants.
- Light Armor on Necromancers will be converted to relevant equivalents as heavy armor.
- All current Necromancer files will be burned in a Bon-dhuumfire.

I’d actually be ok with this because it would mean that they may actually redo the god kitten class. We have literally nothing that we do better than other classes except die.

Mobility?
– Locusts
– Spectral Walk

Stability?
– What’s a stability?

Blinks/Escapes?
– Hah (especially now that Wurm’s somewhat broken)

Damage?
– Warriors, Rangers, Thieves, and Eles are arguably better

Sustain?
– Warriors, Guardians, and Eles are definitely better. In fact, any class with access to an invuln is better.

Tanking?
– Nope, Warriors and Guardians definitely have us beat there.

Group Support?
– You’re joking right?

Necros feel like a mix of ideas haphazardly throw around until they resembled something vaguely functional and I sincerely feel that unless the specialization is the most amazing thing ever, that the profession will become largely abandoned.

ANet stated that they wanted Necros to be an attrition class. Unfortunately, you can’t very well be an attrition class if every other class in the game can pretty much roll over you without so much as a second glance or escape. Likewise, we have no reliable methods to keep people in our zone of control either, which further detracts from our ability to whittle others down. So we’re left standing there while the other classes run circles around us with their fancy condition removals, teleports, and stability.

The state of Necros at the moment is god kitten pathetic.

I think we have only one purpose in this game, boon and condition manipulation which explains why we are even taken in WvW.. and despite that, a mesmer could do that same yet provide much more utility for their team.

It is not ‘Foot in the Grave’ anymore it is more like ‘Nail in the Coffin’.

It should let us move in down state. Viable down state build FTW

its not condition manipulation just condition transfer i think the revenant get actually condition manipulation

Cool. Glad my favorite trait just got nerfed. GG anet, gg.

Uriel.6310:

How disappointing yet I am not surprised. I am still amazed from a few patches back where =0.5 from locust swarm is considered a buff to our mobility. Honestly, the devs are total disconnected with the necro community and haven’t shown much effort to help us… They may as well change this class from Necromancer to Ping Pongancer cause thats exactly what we’re about to be.

I now have an appropriate signature.

Totally disappointed.
Call me Pingpongmancer now, one CC and it’s over.
We appreciate your consideration for this grandmaster trait, now i can’t go deep anymore behind enemy lines, so sad..

Personally, I really enjoyed FitG: I really liked playing a shroud bunker in sPvP, and this trait was one of my favorites. It’s really sad to see the nerf it’s taken

tyler.2569:

Personally, I really enjoyed FitG: I really liked playing a shroud bunker in sPvP, and this trait was one of my favorites. It’s really sad to see the nerf it’s taken

The sad part is… I think it was an unintended nerf.

You know, I have over 3k hours now on my WvW necro, I have a ranger for pve because you know, damage, but this may finally make me put the old fellow out of his misery (loot mule). From what I am hearing the revenant will be much more along the lines of what attrition should have been for us and it even gets heavy armor.

At this point even a greatsword with godly abilities would still not make up for the total and complete deconstruction of this class from the beta weekend onward.

It was terrible before. Death should flashing is a myth.

UGH… tried playing last night with no FitG.. yea ping pong is right. I am so dependant on a few clinch seconds of stability on demand when zerg cc hits.

I dont even care about the extra 50% crit chance because Im too busy picking myself off the ground. This definately impacts my play experience with necro.

Even a 3 stack may be enough to work…

It needs to refresh itself every 3-5 secs, be at least at 3 stacks, or at least make it a stunbreak. It is very useless right now…
Anyway fixing all these traits seems like they are giving the class some attention

Pelopidas.2140:

It needs to refresh itself every 3-5 secs, be at least at 3 stacks, or at least make it a stunbreak. It is very useless right now…
Anyway fixing all these traits seems like they are giving the class some attention

Pelopidas, plz give us another quote that we can all put in our signature to show Anet this class needs fixing ASAP -.-

Holl.3109:

Pelopidas.2140:

It needs to refresh itself every 3-5 secs, be at least at 3 stacks, or at least make it a stunbreak. It is very useless right now…
Anyway fixing all these traits seems like they are giving the class some attention

Pelopidas, plz give us another quote that we can all put in our signature to show Anet this class needs fixing ASAP -.-

Hahahahhaha ill really try
PS ive started on ascended dire for my ranger after watching the trapper vid;)

Well, Foot in the Grave shouldn’t have been a GM trait to begin with now the devs just gave you one more reason not to use it.

Pelopidas.2140:

Holl.3109:

Pelopidas.2140:

It needs to refresh itself every 3-5 secs, be at least at 3 stacks, or at least make it a stunbreak. It is very useless right now…
Anyway fixing all these traits seems like they are giving the class some attention

Pelopidas, plz give us another quote that we can all put in our signature to show Anet this class needs fixing ASAP -.-

Hahahahhaha ill really try
PS ive started on ascended dire for my ranger after watching the trapper vid;)

Oh nice, wish I wasn’t so lazy so I could do the same… well exotics it is i guess :P